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[xtorma]

greghorvath wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

There was a post somewhere where a dev said that if you receive an abnormal amount of credits from a match that you shouldn't spend it on stuff. Instead report it and wait for them to investigate and fix the issue.

I wonder what happens to those who do not come to BSN, and do not read all the crap people write here. What if they don't read that exact thread cause thez are onlu interested in Tali threads?
This is thing is not black and white. Bans of first time offenders is overkill (and probably not legitimate).

John, I know kids like you enjoy this kind of thing, but stop trolling, will you?

How do you know this is the first time they did it? or are you assuming they are being truthful?

If you do not know the details of the investigation , then you can't rationally sit in judgement of the punishment.

[greghorvath]

No spanish forum? Really? There is a hungarian one... Never knew there was more of us than those speaking one of the world languages...

[Zandar00]

molecularman wrote...

I can't see why he shouldn't play ever again for that. An account reset would probably solve the problem, as said above

I have to agree. While i in no way condone cheating in any form, i am not
convinced the punishment fits the crime. If real world money was spent on MS points
and DLC that money should be immediately refunded. I think just resetting the
account to N7 0 - with all newbie characters AND a 15-30 days suspension
would be more than enough. In fact if that happened to most people they would
just break the dvds and never play Bioware games again.

 

Consumers do have rights.

[greghorvath]

xtorma wrote...

If you do not know the details of the investigation , then you can't rationally sit in judgement of the punishment.

innocent until proven guilty. Why would you accept Bw opinion over that of Ruben? Think about it for a sec. why? Its just people there too. I am not judging anything and in contrast to you I am not assuming anything either. I do not know ruben, but why would my vantage point be tht he is lying? i live in central europe and work in construction but even that can' t be an excuse to have that as a starting point. II don't know who is right, I am just saying that all aspects need to be considered.

Sorry for typos, I am on my ipad

[KiraTsukasa]

Maybe he didn't cheat. But he took advantage of a cheat of his own free will. That's the same as saying he didn't rob the bank, he only drove the getaway car.

[xtorma]

Zandar00 wrote...

molecularman wrote...

I can't see why he shouldn't play ever again for that. An account reset would probably solve the problem, as said above

I have to agree. While i in no way condone cheating in any form, i am not
convinced the punishment fits the crime. If real world money was spent on MS points
and DLC that money should be immediately refunded. I think just resetting the
account to N7 0 - with all newbie characters AND a 15-30 days suspension
would be more than enough. In fact if that happened to most people they would
just break the dvds and never play Bioware games again.

 

Consumers do have rights.

I agree that if local law permits it, they should persue that avenue and try and get a refund. That is really the only right I can see them having that would be recognized by law. Take it to judge judy

[Rasputin17]

I think you derserve it. I am sorry but I have a feeling you just never thought they would ban you if you didn't host. One time I was in a gamer with hackers and I am still trying to figure out how to help ban them. I should still have all their PSN's written down.

[xtorma]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Maybe he didn't cheat. But he took advantage of a cheat of his own free will. That's the same as saying he didn't rob the bank, he only drove the getaway car.

Not a good analogy.

[mrcanada]

I love how you guys are hammering him. Many have been caught in glitched lobbies unsuspectingly and told to spend the money by BW support themselves.

[Zandar00]

LeandroBraz wrote...

VistaSoldier wrote...

Legitimate banning.
If you spent the credits, you deserve the ban.
If 6 million stolen dollars in a suitcase was left at your door and you spent it all knowing that it was stolen, you can be sure you would've been arrested.

it was left in his wallet, I'm sure the 6 million owner is a troll..

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An absolute possibility. I don’t believe the "6 Mil in one game" story at
all. I think he said it happened in one game to solicit empathy. I am sure it’s
more accurate to say he credit glitched with his friends 150 times for 6M buying
packs then entire way to get weapons.

 

I still believe a permanent ban is extreme. Resetting the
account and warning the next offense will result in permanent ban would make a
lot more sense.

[Zandar00]

^Bizarre post, sorry I'm not sure how that happened, unintended.

[Lenimph]

jrod512ATX wrote...

No pity for you...in fact I just unlocked a N7 Violin in a premium spectre pack...lemme play it for you...

  This post made my day

[greghorvath]

Zandar00 wrote...

^Bizarre post, sorry I'm not sure how that happened, unintended.

you must have cheated... 
I demand a ban... 

[TLK Spires]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Maybe he didn't cheat. But he took advantage of a cheat of his own free will. That's the same as saying he didn't rob the bank, he only drove the getaway car.

what a terrible comparison. getaway drivers are fully aware of their part in the crime, this person, however, didn't appear to be. and he even said he contacted bioware about it after it happened, and got nothing. if anything, he reported finding money to the cops, and got no response.


of course, he could be lying, and wanting pity for some reason.

Modifié par TLK Spires, 11 mai 2012 - 05:11 .

[sTrYkZ1LLa]

Ruben Huertas wrote...

I saw the credits in the store, not in the game...

Like I tell my kid you didn't "find" anything, when he "found" an iPod. Ruben if you spent those found credits your guilty and get over it. You should have made a scene in the forums or EA support. To paraphrase Garrus: If you yell loudly enough about something, eventually someone is going to come over and see what all the fuss is about.

[Zandar00]

ROFL

Funny enough this illustrates a good point. Sometimes accidents do happen.

[greghorvath]

Zandar00 wrote...

ROFL

Funny enough this illustrates a good point. Sometimes accidents do happen.

Actually, you could have just edited the first post.

[Nocturnalfox]

Zandar00 wrote...

ROFL

Funny enough this illustrates a good point. Sometimes accidents do happen.

No it doesn't

Him spending them was not an accident.

Go check his manifest, this was no slight trip up.

[Enhanced]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Maybe he didn't cheat. But he took advantage of a cheat of his own free will. That's the same as saying he didn't rob the bank, he only drove the getaway car.

I see a lot of these comparisons. It's not the same. It can't be compared to those type of real life situations. No one is in any real danger here.

[xtorma]

greghorvath wrote...

xtorma wrote...

If you do not know the details of the investigation , then you can't rationally sit in judgement of the punishment.

innocent until proven guilty. Why would you accept Bw opinion over that of Ruben? Think about it for a sec. why? Its just people there too. I am not judging anything and in contrast to you I am not assuming anything either. I do not know ruben, but why would my vantage point be tht he is lying? i live in central europe and work in construction but even that can' t be an excuse to have that as a starting point. II don't know who is right, I am just saying that all aspects need to be considered.

Sorry for typos, I am on my ipad

This isn't about guilt  , it's about punishment. Ruben was not punished for hacking, he was punished for spending credits he did not earn legitimatly.

There is a case for arguing the severity of the sanction, but ruben himself admitted his guilt. it's not an issue here.
 
I also think the punishment is a bit harsh "IF" Ruben is being truthful.

[Pekkan]

samb wrote...

Hmm this is a tough one. I mean OP guy did report it and didn't hear from them. He had no way to give the credits back or dump them. Was he to play the game and not spend any money until it was resolved? Was he supposed to stop playing until it was resolved? Isn't that effectively banning himself? If BW expected him to somehow deal with the ill gotten gains in a responsible manner then they need to tell him what that means exactly.

It's pretty simple, if you are not totally demented.

"I have 6 million credits from that hacked game that I'm not supposed to use. I buy with just the money from legitimate games, but as soon as I hit 6 million, or slightly before that, I stop buying any more packs. 6 million credits is the new 0 credits for me."

[KiraTsukasa]

xtorma wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Maybe he didn't cheat. But he took advantage of a cheat of his own free will. That's the same as saying he didn't rob the bank, he only drove the getaway car.

Not a good analogy.

Why not? Still a minor role in the offense, still gets the same punishment as the guy with the gun, so to speak. By spending 6 million credits that he KNEW he shouldn't have had, he became an accomplice to the cheat, and deserves the punishment he got.

And if he's let off the hook, then it sets precidence for anyone to claim that they "didn't know" and also be let off.

[xtorma]

Enhanced wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Maybe he didn't cheat. But he took advantage of a cheat of his own free will. That's the same as saying he didn't rob the bank, he only drove the getaway car.

I see a lot of these comparisons. It's not the same. It can't be compared to those type of real life situations. No one is in any real danger here.

It can when you are only concerned with the motivations. In this case it does not fit though.

[greghorvath]

Cant argue no more. Gotta play multiplayer bye

[xtorma]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

xtorma wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Maybe he didn't cheat. But he took advantage of a cheat of his own free will. That's the same as saying he didn't rob the bank, he only drove the getaway car.

Not a good analogy.

Why not? Still a minor role in the offense, still gets the same punishment as the guy with the gun, so to speak. By spending 6 million credits that he KNEW he shouldn't have had, he became an accomplice to the cheat, and deserves the punishment he got.

And if he's let off the hook, then it sets precidence for anyone to claim that they "didn't know" and also be let off.

Because Ruben is guilty of nothing until he spent the first credit, whereas the robber and driver were guilty the moment they conspired to rob the bank.

He should not be let off the hook though, I may not agree with the severity of the punishment, but I don't have enough details to determine if it was warrented. So i accept that bioware made the right decision, and if they didn't I would hope the appeals process will flesh it out.