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[mumo]

sorry for my english before Poison Berrie say it to me...

[greghorvath]

Nocturnalfox wrote...

Obviously BW has the right to take them back, happens with tax refunds...

You are confusing right with ability here. They certainly have the obligation to provide a game that works well. Having exploitable glitches says they have not fulfilled their obligation.

Common sense would say do not touch them until you inform the appropriate people and get a response- in this case BW.

Nope. Common sense says you spend them if you don't get an answer. I myself wrote about an issue to 3 BW employees and only one bothered to answer.

[xtorma]

JAD2009 wrote...

xtorma wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

Permaban sounds way too harsh.

Also a ton of hypocrites in this topic.If he contacted customer support and they never replied I'm sure a lot of the flamers in here would have spent the credits too.

How can you possibly be sure of the way another would react to this situation?

how can you justify calling anyone a hypocrit without any evidence supporting your claim?

the fact of the matter is, the op knew the credits were an anomaly, or they would not have sent the message to Bioware. Another point you failed to consider. We only have the op's word that he contacted bioware. As I stated in the last locked topic on this type of issue, You either trust Bioware's judgement or not. You are rushing to the op's defense with only one side of the story.

Newsflash for you , people who get caught cheating tend to embellish the facts in thier favor.

HIs word, and mine, he contacted BIoware about the issue, he didn't cause it and he doesn't deserve the ban

I am very happy you are not in charge.

[Winneh]

[mumo]

hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

[templarphoenix]

greghorvath wrote...

What happens if you already have a load of money and you don't notice you received extra creds? In this case it is a big amount, but let's say you have around 5M and get 500k? Would you get a ban for not noticing? I think this thing is overexaggerated.

And sometimes the game will skip the scoring page if the laggy host leaves immediately after the game finished...

[Rick__D]

You know i once joined a game using that trick. Said "sorry guys not my idea of fun" and left.

[vivanto]

count_4 wrote...
Just had a look at OPs manifest. Everything maxed out except N7 (nonetheless 20 ultra rares).

That's a lot more that went in there than 6 million credits. Just sayin'...

Not sure what point you're trying to make with that? It's not that hard to max out everything except N7s, especially if one is playing since launch.

ElectroNeonPanda wrote...
I'm more than aware of the content of the thread.  Doesn't alter me pointing out your melodramatic comparison.

Then just disregard the intro part of my post if you're so against it and read the conclusion. There are stupid and/or ignorant people all around the world. In a multiplayer game, it's the developer's responsibilty to account for such people and make it impossible or very hard to cheat the system, intentionally or otherwise.

Obviously, Bioware has failed at this terribly, since the way the game works it's not just too easy but almost feels like they promote cheating. After failing at this during development, the least they could do is handle the consequences properly, which they dont.

[IBYCFOTA]

greghorvath wrote...
Nope. Common sense says you spend them if you don't get an answer. I myself wrote about an issue to 3 BW employees and only one bothered to answer.

This is clearly incorrect in this instance. OP has ZERO reason to believe that those credits belong to him. The "I thought they were a gift" defense is nonsense for a myriad of reasons. Unfortunately they require having common sense, which doesn't seem to be a prerequisite for posting on the forums.

[xtorma]

greghorvath wrote...

Nocturnalfox wrote...

Obviously BW has the right to take them back, happens with tax refunds...

You are confusing right with ability here. They certainly have the obligation to provide a game that works well. Having exploitable glitches says they have not fulfilled their obligation.

Common sense would say do not touch them until you inform the appropriate people and get a response- in this case BW.

Nope. Common sense says you spend them if you don't get an answer. I myself wrote about an issue to 3 BW employees and only one bothered to answer.

No bioware is well within thier rights.

He said common sense, not criminal sense.

[Ruben Huertas]

As I say before. I know that you cant help me. I only want share my problem with you.

I've psyched that I'll never play this game. But I will never buy a product from bioware too.
For my part I finish writing.
This was my problem. I hope you never you see yourself in my place, because the responses of the majority are humiliating.

I do not speak English perfectly. I try it. Sorry

[greghorvath]

xtorma wrote...

You are rushing to the op's
defense with only one side of the story.

And you are rushing to attack him only presuming the other side's story. I know this is the internet and all, but...

[mumo]

When i have loose my credits during a transition i have not say: Bioware is a thief!
I say ...this software....%&$@...
And... may be...nothing

[ElectroNeonPanda]

vivanto wrote...

There are stupid and/or ignorant people all around the world. In a multiplayer game, it's the developer's responsibilty to account for such people and make it impossible or very hard to cheat the system, intentionally or otherwise.

Obviously, Bioware has failed at this terribly, since the way the game works it's not just too easy but almost feels like they promote cheating. After failing at this during development, the least they could do is handle the consequences properly, which they dont.

While I applaud your defense of the stupid I can't help but feel you're using them as an excuse to complain about Bioware.  Also, this isn't as much about stupidity as it is about a lack of moral fibre.

[greghorvath]

xtorma wrote...

greghorvath wrote...

Nocturnalfox wrote...

Obviously BW has the right to take them back, happens with tax refunds...

You are confusing right with ability here. They certainly have the obligation to provide a game that works well. Having exploitable glitches says they have not fulfilled their obligation.

Common sense would say do not touch them until you inform the appropriate people and get a response- in this case BW.

Nope. Common sense says you spend them if you don't get an answer. I myself wrote about an issue to 3 BW employees and only one bothered to answer.

No bioware is well within thier rights.

He said common sense, not criminal sense.

Without any intention to be rude, I have to say there are several possibilites: you are either
1. trolling
2. not understanding the written text
3. just plain ignorant

I am ready to continue any discussion in case it is number 2.

[Poison_Berrie]

John123453242 wrote...

Poison, my problem wasn't with the bad English. It was calling others stupid. Calling others stupid in terrible English, well, it is just funny.

Ah, because when someone has a mediocre grasp of a foreign language, one is obviously stupid. Haha... No wait that's not funny that's ignorant, my bad.

ElectroNeonPanda wrote...

If he really thought he received 6 million credits honestly, and without any ramifications, then maybe he can use the hours Bioware have saved him from playing the game to improve his general level of intelligence before he does something life-threateningly stupid like trimming his toenails with a scythe.

Wow. You must be one of those people who doesn't realize that not everyone is as savvy, knowledgable and streetsmart as you and everyone who isn't automatically is a retard... <_<

Do you regularly use the word sheeple and don't understand it when someone doesn't know everything you know?

Modifié par Poison_Berrie, 11 mai 2012 - 02:25 .

[vivanto]

@ElectroNeonPanda
Ohh, after ME3, I don't need any specific excuse to criticize Bioware's competence as a developer.  

Modifié par vivanto, 11 mai 2012 - 02:26 .

[Dorje Sylas]

vivanto wrote...

Obviously, Bioware has failed at this terribly, since the way the game works it's not just too easy but almost feels like they promote cheating. After failing at this during development, the least they could do is handle the consequences properly, which they dont.

I agree with this. They should have already had a plan in place to deal with things like this. For example they could have had a report/contact button directly in the game itself. They have not made use of the ingame accoumcments system to *cough* remind *cough* people of what to do if they suspect fraudulent game play. The methods and who to contact are mixed and scattered across EA/Bioware. Given all the errors and the fact that real world money is invovled I'm surprised more people are not muttering about going to court.

@ OP

Do you have solid evidence that you contacted Bioware/EA? Do you have evidence showing a lack of response? In other words how long did you wait before spending those credits? A week? Two weeks?
I would present your evidence of contact to Bioware and EA again. Be sure to include case numbers you get for both. If you fail to get a response (one week business days) or are rebuffed again keep a record. Be polite about it. Keep records.
Your ultimate last recourse may be to consider Small Claims Court or the equivalent in Spain(?). When it comes down to money, and any game with micro-transactions is about money, bringing legal action is the last option in resolving any dispute. Before then you need to make a serious effort to get in contact with Bioware/EA to try and resolve the issue. Again keep records, print with date & time clear (physical and digital), screen shots, email yourself copies for the timestamps.

Modifié par Dorje Sylas, 11 mai 2012 - 02:27 .

[mumo]

No one remember that's just a game?

[Nocturnalfox]

BioWare is not your mother. Each person IS responsible for their own actions.
In this case spending something not earned.

If you can not play by the rules* or take advantage of an exploit/glitch/cheat expect to get banned, ignorance is not an excuse.

*That includes being proactive and reporting any issues, bugs and exploits and waiting for a moderator to respond.

I am just happy that BW (unlike many other devs) is actually doing something about cheaters- whether or not it is PvP is irrelevant.

[Dorje Sylas]

mumo wrote...

No one remember that's just a game?

Not when there is really money invovled. The base game itself is 60+ USD. Then there are all the Bioware points being spent. These are virtual goods (the Bioware points) that being removed without recourse due to poor planning and errors on the part of the companies involved. 

[John123453242]

That isn't what I said poison. You are proving that you aren't rational. This means your opinions don't matter. Calm down and try again.

[ryanshowseason3]

First you claim you thought they were legit and a gift, then you say you shouldn't be banned because you contacted bioware about it... If you thought they were legit why did you contact bioware? Can't have it both ways mate.

[a ViciousFerret]

6m credits isn't even that much. I honestly don't care if the OP used those credits or not, I doubt he got more than 2 Ultra Rares anyway.

The fact that he supposedly got banned despite being a bystander that was affected by a cheater, and the fact he did contact Bioware support and they didn't do anything worries me more.

[Chaoswind]

Is easy to ignore the credits pay out... I never checked how much cash I was getting awarded per wave until the whole millions cheat became public knowledge, now I always check the first pay out and completely ignore the rest, so yes is easy to miss the payouts if you are used to ignore it, do you honestly read the wave you are in all the time? because I don't, the only time I check the wave is when I am running out of play time.

Also if he contacted support and they said nothing for a whole week, what is he supposed to do? not buy anything? what if he saves all his money and gets to 8 million credits just to have Bioware remove the whole amount thinking all of it is cheat money?

oh you say he has to keep the 6M on hand and spend the rest? you know what is the problem of gambling? if you buy 3 PSPs and get ultra rares Black W in all of them and you have no more cash besides the cheat money, and you feel like you are on a roll is ****ing hard to not touch it.