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[greghorvath]

ElectroNeonPanda wrote...

vivanto wrote...

There are stupid and/or ignorant people all around the world. In a multiplayer game, it's the developer's responsibilty to account for such people and make it impossible or very hard to cheat the system, intentionally or otherwise.

Obviously, Bioware has failed at this terribly, since the way the game works it's not just too easy but almost feels like they promote cheating. After failing at this during development, the least they could do is handle the consequences properly, which they dont.

While I applaud your defense of the stupid I can't help but feel you're using them as an excuse to complain about Bioware.  Also, this isn't as much about stupidity as it is about a lack of moral fibre.

I pretty much agree with vivanto. The unlock system promotes exploites and frustration. The structural integrity of the game or lack thereof allows cheating and gives people impetus not to resist temptation.

Bioware is a great game developer (and regardless of the hate many may feel EA is a great publishing company). But the MP aspect of ME3, even though pure genious, still has zounds of problems. And corrections to these are coming painfully slow...

Reaction to cheating in games (or crimes IRL) should not only be limited to punishment, but should be extended to limiting the possibility of committing said offences.

And advocating moral fibre in a world that tolerates Lady Gaga is just strange...

[Kel Riever]

Before jumping down this guy's throat, notice he is not the only one in this situation.

Appeal and leave it at that. Otherwise, understand that there is a lot of cheating going on and people caught up in the mix. Its going to take some time to work out.

'But my cheating doesn't affect you!' Yeah, well, see, now it does.

[John123453242]

I hope BioWare looks at the accounts of everyone defending the cheating. There would probably be a few more bans.

[mumo]

You keep those things too seriously... Bioware is not yor mother...

Sorry man i have 37 Year but i have understend what is appened by this step:
1.many bullet in my gun...funny
2.many experience point at the end...i am a great
3.another play,only one player again with me.
4.buy a pack
5 nooooooo now i am immortal!!!.
6. may be a cheat?
7.exit from the game and report the problem.

Is not ignorance, may be i'm not "faster" like you (genius), but i have spent something not correctly earned without a double end.

[Nocturnalfox]

Chaoswind wrote...

Is easy to ignore the credits pay out... I never checked how much cash I was getting awarded per wave until the whole millions cheat became public knowledge, now I always check the first pay out and completely ignore the rest, so yes is easy to miss the payouts if you are used to ignore it, do you honestly read the wave you are in all the time? because I don't, the only time I check the wave is when I am running out of play time.

I only buy Spectres and PSP's- and usually one after every match (with spectre) if you save it up then it is your responsibility to be meticulous about what are your credits. If you don't save up then there is no issue- because you know that a larger then 1-2 match sum (on gold) is not yours.

[vivanto]

Nocturnalfox wrote...
I am just happy that BW (unlike many other devs) is actually doing something about cheaters- whether or not it is PvP is irrelevant.

I read this a lot, but can't help but question the validity of this statement.

Care to elaborate on what other companies handle their multiplayer services even worse?
And I mean this in a the least-trolling manner possible.


The few major MP providers that I can think of (Blizzard, CM, Valve..) are all lightyears ahead of EA/Bioware. Obviously, games that aren't hosted by a dedicated server provided by the developer/publisher - like CS, Quake etc.. can't be really compared since there isn't even an explicit service to speak of.

Granted, I haven't played any of the current or late FoTM titles like BF#, CoD or whatever, don't know anything about their server architecture or service quality.

Modifié par vivanto, 11 mai 2012 - 02:41 .

[vivanto]

greghorvath wrote...
And advocating moral fibre in a world that tolerates Lady Gaga is just strange...

Basszus! 

[OmegaXI]

Another one bites the dust

[Nocturnalfox]

Off the top of my head? level5, infinity ward, zipper, capcom, square enix.

EDIT: Oh and Slant six/Sony.

Modifié par Nocturnalfox, 11 mai 2012 - 02:58 .

[covertdrizzt]

good, sick of cheaters messing up every game i play

[GregMonaghan]

Theres way too many posts for me to read them all now so I have no idea if anyoen brought this up yet, but...
In one post the OP says he thought he got the 6 million credits for a challenging weekend, then in another he says he reported it to Bioware, I assume because he knew it wasn't correct. Unless he contacts BW about every reward he gets?

My point is the guy knew he had done wrong, and when you do something wrong you have to be prepared to face the consequences.
Is a perma ban too harsh? In this case I think so, but its not me in charge, and if BW feel that a zero tolerence policy is the way to get this sort of thing to stop, then thats their call.

Greg

[xtorma]

greghorvath wrote...

xtorma wrote...

You are rushing to the op's
defense with only one side of the story.

And you are rushing to attack him only presuming the other side's story. I know this is the internet and all, but...

I am not making any assumptions here. The op definatly stated he got too many credits and he spent them. Is this against the rules? if the answer is yes, he has no leg to stand on. Whether what he did was right or wrong is not at question here, only the punishment.

The op was tempted to do the wrong thing, they chose to do it. They must now live with the consequences.

[ryanshowseason3]

a ViciousFerret wrote...

6m credits isn't even that much. I honestly don't care if the OP used those credits or not, I doubt he got more than 2 Ultra Rares anyway.

The fact that he supposedly got banned despite being a bystander that was affected by a cheater, and the fact he did contact Bioware support and they didn't do anything worries me more.

Take a look at his manifest. Theres a lot of ultra rares in there, seems like more than 6 mil to me, considering the drop rates. Of course you can't tell what he had before and after the alledged 6mil

[Zimek]

>spend 6 million credits earned from a cheat game
>get banned
>cry

[Vespervin]

Hah! You got banned from playing multi-player where you only verse bots? What a joke.

[DeathIsHere]

If the guy didn't do it multiple times and didn't host the game that was cheated, I don't see why a permanent ban is necessary. Spending the credits wasn't a smart move, but doesn't warrant a permanent ban. I say no ban (at most maybe a month, no ban is needed though) and reset his unlocks/credits. That's the fair thing to do. If he hosted the game or he did it multiple times, then keep him banned. But if not,  I don't see why a permanent ban would be needed. Beyond excessive. 

[IBYCFOTA]

Chaoswind wrote...

Is easy to ignore the credits pay out... I never checked how much cash I was getting awarded per wave until the whole millions cheat became public knowledge, now I always check the first pay out and completely ignore the rest, so yes is easy to miss the payouts if you are used to ignore it, do you honestly read the wave you are in all the time? because I don't, the only time I check the wave is when I am running out of play time.

I don't check my credits all the time but I always have a rough idea how many I have. I think that's true with pretty much everybody. Anyways, I'm not really sure where you're going with this. OP obviously knew how many credits he had recieved right away.

Also if he contacted support and they said nothing for a whole week, what is he supposed to do? not buy anything? what if he saves all his money and gets to 8 million credits just to have Bioware remove the whole amount thinking all of it is cheat money?

The logical move would be to take a picture of your account, or at least document roughly how many extra credits you recieved. If you're willing to show integrity by coming forward and admitting that you recieved illegal credits I'm fairly certain Bioware would take you at your word.

As I already explained, there were other ways for OP to get the attention of EA / Bioware, such as what he did here by creating this thread. Contacting support through email and not getting a response (which is commonplace for many websites and should surprise no one) does not all of a sudden entitle you to a mass sum of credits.

oh you say he has to keep the 6M on hand and spend the rest? you know what is the problem of gambling? if you buy 3 PSPs and get ultra rares Black W in all of them and you have no more cash besides the cheat money, and you feel like you are on a roll is ****ing hard to not touch it.

In this hypothetical scenario I would say that you would almost certainly get away with dipping into the illegal credits to some degree as long as you made them back in a timely fashion. Once you spend all 6 million of them, however, you obviously had other intentions. Let's not muddy the discussion up here with false dilemmas.

Modifié par IBYCFOTA, 11 mai 2012 - 03:00 .

[Nocturnalfox]

Maybe they can not reset unlocks, may be that is why they are banning people and not clearing their manifests...

[vivanto]

Nocturnalfox wrote...
Maybe they can not reset unlocks, may be that is why they are banning people and not clearing their manifests...

Totally agree. Only glitches and bugs can do that, but not administrators.

[Influ]

Not saying that people should just take advantage of the hacked credits they happen to get from a hacked lobby, but this is not a sensible way to deal with a cheating problem in your game.

[FistOfSyn]

Flamer:''OP deserves a ban hes a goddamn cheater!!!!!''

The next day, same flamer gets 6 millions credits.

Flamer'' OMG 6M CREDITS IMMA SPEND THEM ALL YEAH!!!''

[Poison_Berrie]

John123453242 wrote...

That isn't what I said poison. You are proving that you aren't rational. This means your opinions don't matter. Calm down and try again.

Maybe, that was a bit harsh of me sorry. 

I didn't really see the joke in that, though.

ryanshowseason3 wrote...

First you claim you thought they were legit and a gift, then you say you shouldn't be banned because you contacted bioware about it... If you thought they were legit why did you contact bioware? Can't have it both ways mate.

I think the point was that he wasn't sure, so he contacted Bioware to make sure. They don't respond he thinks he's okay to use them. Several years ago I would probably have done the same thing.

John123453242 wrote...

I hope BioWare looks at the accounts of everyone defending the cheating. There would probably be a few more bans.

No one is defending the cheating. Again if we can take the TS' word, he wasn't the one hosting nor did he know the game was a cheat.

covertdrizzt wrote...

good, sick of cheaters messing up every game i play

Let's just hope they got an actual cheater and not just someone who played along side one without his knowledge.

[John123453242]

Then why would he contact BioWare poison? You don't have to host to cheat. He used the exact same cheat as the host and took advantage of the cheat. Also, why would you take his word for it. He clearly isn't an honest person.

These bans need to happen. Set an example and most people will understand what is expected of them. They will know what happens if they don't do what is expected.

[overlordchinx]

Removed original post after re-reading... please delete

Modifié par overlordchinx, 11 mai 2012 - 03:17 .

[samb]

Hmm this is a tough one. I mean OP guy did report it and didn't hear from them. He had no way to give the credits back or dump them. Was he to play the game and not spend any money until it was resolved? Was he supposed to stop playing until it was resolved? Isn't that effectively banning himself? If BW expected him to somehow deal with the ill gotten gains in a responsible manner then they need to tell him what that means exactly.