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[Poison_Berrie]

John123453242 wrote...

Then why would he contact BioWare poison? You don't have to host to cheat. He used the exact same cheat as the host and took advantage of the cheat. Also, why would you take his word for it. He clearly isn't an honest person.

Like I said, he might have been looking to confirm whether it was legit or not. It's not very smart of him to think that no answer means you can spend the money, but, like I said, a few years back I wouldn't have known much better myself.

How do you know he's not honest? I can't say if he's actually being honest, but neither can you.
If what he is saying is true than the action taken against him is too severe.

That said, I think this has run it's course. We're not going to get further on this. 

Ruben should just contact BioWare regarding this and try to see if they can't roll back his equipment to before this happened or some other measure rather than permanently ban him and not continue with this thread.

[xtorma]

samb wrote...

Hmm this is a tough one. I mean OP guy did report it and didn't hear from them. He had no way to give the credits back or dump them. Was he to play the game and not spend any money until it was resolved? Was he supposed to stop playing until it was resolved? Isn't that effectively banning himself? If BW expected him to somehow deal with the ill gotten gains in a responsible manner then they need to tell him what that means exactly.

although it does not excuse what the op did, it would be helpful if there were a procedure in place for when this type of cheat effects you as a third party.

[Ghost Puppet]

samb wrote...

Hmm this is a tough one. I mean OP guy did report it and didn't hear from them. He had no way to give the credits back or dump them. Was he to play the game and not spend any money until it was resolved? Was he supposed to stop playing until it was resolved? Isn't that effectively banning himself? If BW expected him to somehow deal with the ill gotten gains in a responsible manner then they need to tell him what that means exactly.

Considering how every other complaint is about useless character cards from SPs and PSPs, not buying anything probably would have been better. 

[SofaJockey]

count_4 wrote...

Just had a look at OPs manifest. Everything maxed out except N7 (nonetheless 20 ultra rares).
That's a lot more that went in there than 6 million credits. Just sayin'...

I'm not going to make any personal comment about the original poster, who has either been very unlucky combined with being very unaware, or is protesting too much. That is for BW to arbitrate, not on a 'trial by thread'.

But the OP's manifest with everything rare at 'X' plus a good number of ultra-rares suggests (using rough statistics debated elswhere on this forum) the unlocking of about 300 PSPs, or near 30 million credits.

An N7:19 player, who will have played for maybe 8 hours tops will surely have noticed that in most of the games enough credits to unlock most of a veteran pack will have been earned, and in a hacked game, 1,000x that number.

The issue is, how complicit is a player is when taking advantage of a hack - it is after all, 'only a game'. To unlock 300 PSPs will physicaly take over an hour's effort, assuming 15 seconds each. That weakens the credibility of the argument that the OP did not realise there was something seriously fishy going on.

Ok, this is all 'vrtual' money, so it is not the same situation as an ATM paying out 5,000 notes instead of 5, but looking at the credibility of the situation, I can entirely understand why BioWare has acted as they have.

If a stuation appears 'too good to be true' it probably is. If I had been caught with a treasure of credits that clearly were not mine, I am not sure I would then compound the situation by complaining about it in public.

[GroverA125]

Ruben Huertas wrote...

Again, I have NEVER in a multiplayer game, I saw people using it and I told it to Bioware.
I dont understand why they banned me for this !!!!

Today I asked to bioware and they don't reply... what am I supposed to do??

Fixed your sentence to make more sense.

I understand why you're infuriated, you have been banned for someone else doing something. They have no button to remove the gained credits, and you claim to have reported it to Bioware prior. If that is true, then their lack of reply states that you are not to be blamed for action, as the general gist of a topic is that if you don't tell someone they can't, you can't blame them for doing something.

Either they need to actually put on their page "If you gain credits by the exploits of someone else and use them, you will be banned, regardless if you intentionally participated or not", add a button to remove those credits and report the match to Bioware (without having to send them an e-mail) or they need to stop banning people who are hit because of someone else's doing. If I play a match of Halo and my teammate has an unlimited ammo, unlimited health cheat active and we win the match, why is it fair that I get banned or punished? As we know, I do not get punished for such actions, because people other than EA and Bioware have the intelligence to not associate two random players with each other. If one person in a match is a hacker, that doesn't mean that everyone else is one.

[Whufpack]

el pwned

[BTCentral]

Hmm. Not quite sure what to say.

If you were playing a game, were unaware of any hacks, suddenly had a ton of credits and contacted BioWare, that's about all you could do. Personally, I'd have continued to spend credits but not the ones that magically appeared in my account so that they could be removed at a later date.

I don't have a hard time believing that you waited a week before doing anything as it took BioWare a month to get back to me about something recently.

If anything, they need to allocate more man power to investigating things like this by the sound of it.
Pema-ban seems harsh. Temporary ban + account reset would be more fair, in my opinion.

Nocturnalfox wrote...

Maybe they can not reset unlocks, may be that is why they are banning people and not clearing their manifests...

I'm guessing, based on Ruben's game profile for ME3 and how the DB may be structured, but it's likely simple as this:

delete * from weapons where pid="211551725";
delete * from weaponmods where pid="211551725";
delete * from characters where pid="211551725";
delete * from consumables where pid="211551725";

Getting rid of user data should be about an easy a maintenance task as it gets.

If BioWare can't reset unlocks, this game has much more serious issues we should seriously start worrying about.

Modifié par BTCentral, 11 mai 2012 - 04:19 .

[Ruben Huertas]

Im just playing multi every day from march, its normal that I have N7-665, and its normal that I have all guns level X, I spend this 6 mill, I say before. and yes, with this 6 mill I bought many guns level X, Its true.
but when I got this 6 mill I have N7-500 (~) with a lot of guns in X level.
I want a banned temporaly for this, or pay this credits playing for example. But banned permanenty? noooot....

[JAD2009]

BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA

He played a cheated game. At the end of that game, a 6 millions of credits were rewarded, not while playing, only at the end. He reported it to Bioware. Bioware didn't answer. he spend the money because that doesn't hurt anybody. End of the story.

He doesn't deserve a ban just because it wasn't his fault. A person used a cheat to make all the squad members earn 6 millions of credits. Ruben wasn't the leader of that match, and he obviously didn't want to cheat.

Also, and as I have said before (c'mon man, c'mon read and stop talking) He has never cheated while playing with me. He is not a cheater!

Modifié par JAD2009, 11 mai 2012 - 04:16 .

[Ruben Huertas]

No te preocupes jad, no merece la pena, gracias por tu ayuda

Jad not worry, this is not worth it, thanks for your help

[John123453242]

LOL @ the cheater and his defenders. Your tears taste like candy.

[greghorvath]

Ruben. What I would do in such a situation is that I would check all software agreements that come with the game and if there is no explicit stipulation of retribution for in game glitch exploit, I would probably seek legal advice. You have paid for a game, which, due to its bugs and glitches is arguably of sub-standard quality. In case there is no stipulation (as most I do not read these agreement, so it has to be checked first) of the above, BioWare probably lacks the legal right to revoke your right to use the product you have paid for.

I do not advocate cheating and I think cheaters should be punished. Unfortunately, in many cases Bw demonstrates flexibility equalling that of a stainless steel beam, so we have to try clear things up ourselves.

Modifié par greghorvath, 11 mai 2012 - 04:31 .

[Ruben Huertas]

John123453242 wrote...

LOL @ the cheater and his defenders. Your tears taste like candy.

If you are trying to make me feel bad to know that the opposite is true. I am very calm about what I did. I did not cheat. You say what you say will be just empty words. Be careful. Do not go to poison with that tongue. It must be very sad to be very brave in a forum and be a coward in the streets.
Goodbye my friend. I assume this thread closed.

[Ruben Huertas]

greghorvath wrote...

Ruben. What I would do in such a situation is that I would check all software agreements that come with the game and if there is no explicit stipulation of retribution for in game glitch exploit, I would probably seek legal advice. You have paid for a game, which, due to its bugs and glitches is arguably of sub-standard quality. In case there is no stipulation (as most I do not read these agreement, so it has to be checked first) of the above, BioWare probably lacks the legal right to revoke your right to use the product you have paid for.

I do not advocate cheating and I think cheaters should be punished. Unfortunately, in many cases Bw demonstrates flexibility equalling that of a stainless steel beam, so we have to try clear things up ourselves.

Thank you. That's just one thing to do. I appreciate it.

[xtorma]

I would still like to know whether he has made this "mistake" multiple times. Unfortunatly his word can not be trusted as the vast majority of people who get caught doing anything wrong are "innocent"

[Vertigo_1]

There was a post somewhere where a dev said that if you receive an abnormal amount of credits from a match that you shouldn't spend it on stuff. Instead report it and wait for them to investigate and fix the issue.

Otherwise they assume you did it on purpose and ban you (I imagine)

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 11 mai 2012 - 04:48 .

[Mandalore313]

6 mil is less than a week of gold games. What's the fuss all about.
You can make 1m in 5 hours.

[John123453242]

Ruben thinking he is tough now. Poor guy keeps crying though. Pretty counterintuitive.

[greghorvath]

No problem, Ruben. Hope you get it sorted out.

[RedJohn]

 

Mandalore313 wrote...

6 mil is less than a week of gold games. What's the fuss all about.
You can make 1m in 5 hours.

 



Actually, you can make 1 million in less than 4 hours.

Modifié par RedJohn, 11 mai 2012 - 04:45 .

[xtorma]

Mandalore313 wrote...

6 mil is less than a week of gold games. What's the fuss all about.
You can make 1m in 5 hours.

ask bioware, they banned him , not us.

[tdot_butcher]

Good. Hope they don't let you back. Adios!

[greghorvath]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

There was a post somewhere where a dev said that if you receive an abnormal amount of credits from a match that you shouldn't spend it on stuff. Instead report it and wait for them to investigate and fix the issue.

I wonder what happens to those who do not come to BSN, and do not read all the crap people write here. What if they don't read that exact thread cause thez are onlu interested in Tali threads?
This is thing is not black and white. Bans of first time offenders is overkill (and probably not legitimate).

John, I know kids like you enjoy this kind of thing, but stop trolling, will you?

[tallinn]

I do not want to make a judgement in the case described. I just want to mention that banning a player from MP is a legal action and thus has to be very well justified. Everyone who bought ME3 bought the ability to play MP with it and denying this part of the contract to a player can only be justified out of this contract. And it must be a clear deduction based on valid paragraphs of the contract.

Given the well known fact that most written contractual agreements in the context of a computer game (in particular, online services in general) are flawed and invalid, mostly for formal reasons, sometimes for factual reasons as they put the player into an unfair disadvantage, announcing legal actions vs BW should move something.

E.g. in my case I am not aware of any agreement with BW (or EA) about the rules what is allowed or what is not allowed in using the game. No such agreement was presented to me before I bought the product. Thus any rule that BW (or EA) has set up on this is invalid, at least according to the law that rules my case, the german law. Spanish law is similar. Without such an agreement, what I am allowed to do with the game and what not is governed by general law. E.g. I am not allowed to make a copy of the game and enable someone else to play it. No agreement with BW is needed to exclude that action.

I am writing this mostly for the reason that I am very unsatisfied with the "Wild West" mentality that still governs the world of computer games and online services regarding the law.

[Serenade22]

mumo wrote...

 Why the game is cheatable?
This is the real question.
In every situation, is bettere to not exclude anything.
For example, i have played with a player called .........cannot say.....2 play i think, why 2?
cause i want to understand who is the "cheater", i canno t say  one name without know right?
Whe play in 4 at same time.
First i have say: damnation this server is broken! 999 bullet and semi-immortality?
In the past I have lose my virtual credit in Mass Effect 3 during a transition, but , i have no banned
the Bioware and Mass Effect 3 from my PC...

When i have buy Bioware credits to keep the ME2 DLC i loose 5EURO only for the transition, before my confirmation, and the server have loose the contact for a few second, resulkting in two transition...can tell
many other "not funny" episode...
but at the end...i have all the ME2 DLC.

What i want to say?

I have to do this work (hunt) for Bioware cause Bioware have problem with the "hacker"?
I don't know how much is my balance (credit) before of this hunting but honestly i can say:
I have spent those credit.
One Spectrum pack premium and one equipment.
But i have think about what i have do after the reading of this Email, without trouble, why?
I play my game! I cannot keep note of the balance during the play, and ...how much is my balance before?
I don't know.
Sure...6...with a lot of zero...is evident but i am a thief?
Of what? Money? Aren't Money!!!!!Remember it, please!!!!

A complete ban is too much for me, sure i hate the cheat and who disturb my game and my competition.
Cannot reset the player stat in a simple way for "incorrect conduit"?
For example with a patch with a feedback about the player status for those inglorius players...
Please, please, make it easy, and to all play for fun, use the money to buy credits or win a regular game.

Dear Dear Dear Bioware, i love your game ME3,(i'm waiting for the summer cinematics release...).
Is business, I know, but start with people that want to have fun.
I remember the time when my brother keep money from the "monopoly" bank to win a play, he was only ...
a little child. I never "ban" my brother from a "monopoly" play, just scream, smiles and fun at the end of the
day.

Please give to those players a chance.
Players all: I'm an Italian (37Y) player and i am correct, fire and hide, run and escape, recharge and fire again,this is a balance, an equilibrium just for fun.
Where is the fun if I use a cheat code?
I use it cause i loose my plays and the game is too hard for me?
I loose 2 time!!
In my games and in my life.

Hi to all and to Bioware team.

Today I was playing gold and the same thing happened to me, sometimes I had 999 bullet and mi skills didn't work properly, I thought it was a server error or something, but reading this thread now I think someone was cheating. I didn't earn more money or something like Ruben Huertas,  that never happened to me, only the 999 bullet thing and a lot of lag.

So now I want to know, if there are more ways to know if someone is cheating in my party, things like the infinite bullets, because I don't know anything about the cheating stuff works, and I want to be able to recognize it, and leave the party inmediately. Is there any sort of list or something anywhere? If being member of a party where someone is cheating, is also a ban for me, I want to be informed to stay away from such people.

Finally, I want to say, I'm spanish too, maybe I did a lot of mistakes in my post, but please remember there is no spanish forum for us, so we try to express ourselves in english the best way we can, and our intentions are good, so please be polite about that