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[Rhys Cordelle]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I think it would have been better to make Alistair bisexual as well, and thus, give gay characters that option for a monogomous relationship (Morrigan for females seeking an open relationship, since Leliana is quite possessive and jealous). Thus, a gay character has choices, depending on their own view of love and relationships.

As tempting as that would be, I think it's a bit over the top to have four bisexual characters in your party.

[MusukoYo]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

(Morrigan for females seeking an open relationship, since Leliana is quite possessive and jealous).

Morrigan is pretty possessive and jealous too. She's just worse about admitting it to herself.

I'm playing through DA:O for the third time (this time, as a gay Dalish Elf rogue) and tried to let Morrigan down with the least reputation loss possible. If you dump her as coldly as she claims to want, she's unhappier than if you protest, spout off about love, say you cherish her, and reluctantly agree to do as she asks. She says one thing but means another.

Anyways, back to the topic... I happen to be a straight female IRL. I was an Alistair fangirl right up until after the Landsmeet, where he dumped my PC because somehow I missed the fact that kicking him while he was down about Goldanna would let me stay on as his mistress at the game's end. Really bugged the hell out of me. Zevran doesn't promise you the world then abandon you to make things easier on himself. Once I gave Zevran a chance, he turned out to be fun and a lot deeper than he appears at first glance. Trust me, guys, I don't think you're losing out on not having Alistair as an option. He's a bastard, and not just in the literal sense.

[Will Moor]

MusukoYo, wow, I had no idea you could do that with Alistair (kick him while he is down about Goldanna and then get to be his mistress later). The first character I played was a female elf that he dumped and she was stunningly devastated beyond comprehension and then was expected to save the world (I have to praise BioWare for creating such emotions in me over a game). THEN he went and got himself killed so that my character could live and that manipulative b**** Anora went from Queen consort to Queen regnant. Instead of accepting a boon from her, my girl wanted to rip her face off. lol

Modifié par Will Moor, 10 décembre 2009 - 01:58 .

[PuffyTail]

I wish at least one of the bisexual choices had actually been gay (being gay and being bisexual are two very different things). Zevran even makes sure to tell us (well, female characters anyway) that although he likes men, he "prefers women".  Aside from that issue, though, I love both Zevran and Leilana as characters.

Modifié par PuffyTail, 10 décembre 2009 - 02:03 .

[Will Moor]

PuffyTail wrote...

I wish at least one of the bisexual choices had actually been gay (being gay and being bisexual are two very different things). Zevran even makes sure to tell us (well, female characters anyway) that although he likes men, he "prefers women".  Aside from that issue, though, I love both Zevran and Leilana as characters.

He tells male characters that he prefers females as well, but that doesn't stop him from lusting after a male Warden.  lol  

[Tarante11a]

I´ll put it in Sten´s terms: no.

Nevara (if you live there you know that Navarra is a real place) is the kingdom based on the Iberian ones. Sorry but I refuse to say "medieval and Spain" in the same sentence. Castile, Aragon, Navarra, Portugal or Granada/any other Taifa or muslim dominion; but not Spain.
Nevertheless, if you read the codex about Nevara, the clues about it being based upon Iberian kingdoms are incredibly evident: from the dragon slaying thing (Don Quijote, Amadís de Gauala and other novel) to his brutally elaborated toombs and pantheons where the local andrastean cults do not cremate, but bury (and that is Counter-Reform style of the Baroque).

Antiva is inspired by the Kingdom of the Two Sicilys in particular and the Italian republics and duchies in general. The Crows are a guild of thugs that may remind you of the mafia.

Please marry me.

Modifié par Tarante11a, 10 décembre 2009 - 03:25 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Statulos wrote...


I´ll put it in Sten´s terms: no.

Nevara (if you live there you know that Navarra is a real place) is the kingdom based on the Iberian ones. Sorry but I refuse to say "medieval and Spain" in the same sentence. Castile, Aragon, Navarra, Portugal or Granada/any other Taifa or muslim dominion; but not Spain.
Nevertheless, if you read the codex about Nevara, the clues about it being based upon Iberian kingdoms are incredibly evident: from the dragon slaying thing (Don Quijote, Amadís de Gauala and other novel) to his brutally elaborated toombs and pantheons where the local andrastean cults do not cremate, but bury (and that is Counter-Reform style of the Baroque).

Antiva is inspired by the Kingdom of the Two Sicilys in particular and the Italian republics and duchies in general. The Crows are a guild of thugs that may remind you of the mafia.

Nevara is very different from the rest of Spain (I live down south in Andalucia, province of Granada). I have been there, and the culture and people are very different from most other places in Spain. I think part of it is due to it's proximity to basque country , as well as the lack of Moorish influence compared to much of the rest of the country. It seemed like a different country compared to central and Southern Spain.

Antiva is more a mix of medieval Italy and Spain. From talking to Zevran, I gathered a much stronger Spanish influence. For example, his reminicing of Antivan leather. While the Italians are renowned for fine, luxury leather goods, the Spanish leather has always been considered unique and special, especially in the western part of the US, due to a long history of Spanish influence and settlement. Zevran's description of his experience tends to remind me more of Spanish leather, as opposed to Italian leather, which is mostly a refined taste amongst weathier, upper class people.

There were other things Zevran also said which made me lean more towards Spain ( I will have to go back and reload old saves to look at the dialogues). The Crows, however, are definitely mafioso, especially when you speak to Ignacio, who clearly speaks with an Italian accent to boot. The name Ignacio is more Spanish than Italian. yet his assitant is named ceasar, which tends more towards Italian.

So I think Antiva is a combination of Italian and Souther Spanish.

[highcastle]

Well, you can kiss him in camp in front of all your party members...



I've only ever done the Zevran romance (no interest in pursuing Morrigan or Leliana and I can't seem to make a decent looking female char to pair Alistair with) so I have no idea if you can kiss them at other times. But every time I go back to camp I make sure to give Zev a kiss by asking him back to my tent. And plenty of folks comment on our relationship (Wynne, Oghren, and even Shale) so it seems to be fairly common knowledge. Only thing I want is the option to kiss him at the gates of Denerim before the final battle. Particularly if you're planning on sacrificing yourself.

[noretus]

Hmm, I don't know. I'm not sure if Zevran would be all that opposed to kissing in public.
When you get the chance to ask him about his adventures, and then say something along the lines of "You don't have to tell me if you don't want to," he'll ask if he gets a kiss afterwards ( why can't you say "YES!" to that anyway, damn it? You can only say "Maybe", yet you don't kiss >:[ ).
Maybe after he gives you the earring, he might be less inclined for PDA...

Edit: Of course maybe the reason he doesn't go for the kiss after his story, is precicely because of the PDA. Oh well.

Modifié par noretus, 11 décembre 2009 - 05:02 .

[Null]

zenrau79 wrote...

highcastle wrote...

Only thing I want is the option to kiss him at the gates of Denerim before the final battle. Particularly if you're planning on sacrificing yourself.

Yeah, I wanted that option too for when Alistair sacrificed himself.  No last kiss goodbye, no option to say "I love you" either.  "sigh"  That ending was the worst.

My view on the issue of Zevran kissing you in public is that it goes against his character.  Like, kissing is a very personal and intimate thing, something some people consider more special than sex.  Since Zevran, in my opinion, has some very deep emotions I imagine he would feel that is "too personal" to express in public. 

Being a straight female I couldn't help but lose my heart to Alistair even though I hate how quickly he abandons you in certain situations.  I guess I would like a little more emotion maybe even a little begging if my character supposedly means so much to him.  With that said though I definitely have developed a place in my heart for Zevran.  I did not like him at first but he really grew on me, especially once I learned more about his past.  I'm doing my 3rd play though of the game now and going with Zevran till the end, instead of Alistair.  I've never been far enough with him to receive the earring or for him to stop sleeping with me.  I really look forward to seeing his real feelings come out.  If only more games had characters as endearing as these. 

Actually. He does kiss you goodbye if you choose the final dialogue option "Wait. This is crazy." Then Alistair says something like "Sanest thing I have ever done." Then he'll attack your face and throw himself at the Archdemon.

[Dunhart]

zenrau79 wrote...

I have a question please, for anyone who may know. If your character does not ever ask Zevran to go back to your tent, will he eventually ask you on his own? I know Alistair will initiate the first kiss and the first "time" if you don't ask him first. Will Zevran? I've always flirted right back and asked him back to my tent at the first opportunity. I would love to see him make the first move other than just the flirting.

He does. At around +71 approval, I believe.

[the_red_queen]

From the fact that no-one's mentioned it, I guess Cullen doesn't have the same obsession with a male mage PC as he does with a female one. Darn it - that would have been good.

[Dunhart]

Zoev wrote...

From the fact that no-one's mentioned it, I guess Cullen doesn't have the same obsession with a male mage PC as he does with a female one. Darn it - that would have been good.

I KNOW! I thought it was so unfair after I heard he did that with females. I would have wanted to seduce him out of his templar vows.

Modifié par Dunhart, 11 décembre 2009 - 06:20 .

[Xeyska]

Even if we could seduce Cullen, he'll just run away. D:

[the_red_queen]

Dunhart wrote...



I KNOW! I thought it was so unfair after I heard he did that with females. I would have wanted to seduce him out of his templar vows.

What a pity! Given Ferelden attitudes to sexuality, his lines would have been even more poignant if there were a male PC. But I don't reckon there's the slightest chance of seducing him for either gender - the more he wanted you the greater would be his pleasure in denying himself. That darn repressive templar upbringing has really screwed that boy up.



Oh - and Wade and Herren definitely get my vote for cutest couple in the game. I can't resist pestering Wade just to hear him appeal forlornly to Herren for help. Though now that I'm trying, I can't think of many couples in the game - especially if Isolde is sacrificed. What's with that? Though of course there's Irving and Greagoir

[Xandurpein]

MusukoYo wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

(Morrigan for females seeking an open relationship, since Leliana is quite possessive and jealous).

Morrigan is pretty possessive and jealous too. She's just worse about admitting it to herself.

I'm playing through DA:O for the third time (this time, as a gay Dalish Elf rogue) and tried to let Morrigan down with the least reputation loss possible. If you dump her as coldly as she claims to want, she's unhappier than if you protest, spout off about love, say you cherish her, and reluctantly agree to do as she asks. She says one thing but means another.

I would go so far as to say that Morrigan is almost the opposite of what she claims. She is more possessive than Leliana and bit more prude too I would guess. Morrigans speeches when she gets jealous is by the way very funny. Great character!

[ChemicalGreen]

Dunhart wrote...

zenrau79 wrote...

I have a question please, for anyone who may know. If your character does not ever ask Zevran to go back to your tent, will he eventually ask you on his own? I know Alistair will initiate the first kiss and the first "time" if you don't ask him first. Will Zevran? I've always flirted right back and asked him back to my tent at the first opportunity. I would love to see him make the first move other than just the flirting.

He does. At around +71 approval, I believe.

Mind you, if you turn his offer down, no matter how gently, he won't ask again. I tried to play it coy and see if he could up his ante (It's very much "hey, want to shag?" when he propositions you) if I raised his affection higher without sleeping with him. He stays adoring and loving, but won't make a new offer.

You'll still have the option though to ask him, and I personally laughed out loud for the bit when he wanted to talk about rules and I told him to shut it and strip his armour off. He didn't mind the least.

[highcastle]

zenrau79 wrote...

I have a question please, for anyone who may know. If your character does not ever ask Zevran to go back to your tent, will he eventually ask you on his own? I know Alistair will initiate the first kiss and the first "time" if you don't ask him first. Will Zevran? I've always flirted right back and asked him back to my tent at the first opportunity. I would love to see him make the first move other than just the flirting.

Yep. It's actually quite funny, and there's a thread around her somewhere admonishing all to beware of Zev's "massages" (it's how he gets you back to the tent). But really, it's quite obvious what he's asking you to do, and I don't know how anyone could miss the subtext.

[JosieJ]

highcastle wrote...

zenrau79 wrote...

I have a question please, for anyone who may know. If your character does not ever ask Zevran to go back to your tent, will he eventually ask you on his own? I know Alistair will initiate the first kiss and the first "time" if you don't ask him first. Will Zevran? I've always flirted right back and asked him back to my tent at the first opportunity. I would love to see him make the first move other than just the flirting.

Yep. It's actually quite funny, and there's a thread around her somewhere admonishing all to beware of Zev's "massages" (it's how he gets you back to the tent). But really, it's quite obvious what he's asking you to do, and I don't know how anyone could miss the subtext.

I don't either.  Especially since in a conversation just before he asks you to your tent, he quotes poetry to you to cheer you up.  OK, it's bad Antivan sex poetry, but that just seems to fit the character all the more (and he acknowledges it's bad)!

[cutieyum]

I love Zev and will hook him up with my next male PC. Zev deserves good loving inside and outside the tent. Ohhh, do you think he'll like a Dalish hunter? We could both wear leather?

Modifié par cutieyum, 11 décembre 2009 - 06:17 .

[Will Moor]

zenrau79 wrote...

My view on the issue of Zevran kissing you in public is that it goes against his character.  Like, kissing is a very personal and intimate thing, something some people consider more special than sex.  Since Zevran, in my opinion, has some very deep emotions I imagine he would feel that is "too personal" to express in public. 

And that is very possible, but my selfish self still wants the mod that will make it happen.  lol  I hope it comes about!  <3

cutieyum wrote...

I love Zev and will hook him up with my
next male PC. Zev deserves good loving inside and outside the tent.
Ohhh, do you think he'll like a Dalish hunter? We could both wear
leather?

Yes, I think he would.  One of my characters that is in a relationshio with Zev is Dalish and they get along great, though Zev seems slightly more serious with a Dalish man than he does with a human man, but that could just be me.  He grins cutely and goofily just before he kisses my male human noble at camp, but before he kisses my Dalish dude, he keeps his expression serious.  I wonder if that is just a quirk with my game or if it means something?

Modifié par Will Moor, 13 décembre 2009 - 07:41 .