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[KaiserShep]

Liamv2 wrote...

He was alright until the email then i just began to find him kinda silly.

Yeah that email cancels out any cool points he could have possibly had. It doesn't even matter if I never open it in subsequent playthroughs. I know it's there, and there's nothing that can be done now lol.

[ElSuperGecko]

I'm not sure "hate" is the right word. Kai Leng simply wasn't cut out to be a Mass Effect villain. Out of place, over-the-top and pretty much just plain hilarious. OMFG rule-of-cool-bad-ass-cyber-space-ninja.

Benezia was awesome. Saren was awesome. Tela Vasir was awesome. The Shadow Broker was awesome. Illusive Man was awesome. Kai Leng was... just... laughable.

Kai Leng is to Mass Effect 3 what Raiden was to Metal Gear Solid 2. A Bioware-What-Were-You-Thinking moment.

[Yoritomo Tetsu]

Why do I hate Kai Leng?

1) Plot Armour - with the possible exception of Malak in Kotor 1, I don't think I've ever seen a villains escape done more poorly than Thessia. It was just bad.

2) Seriously, an email. This guy is supposed to be some great assassin in some book I never read, and he sends me an email saying "nyah nyah nyah nyah". I mean what will he do next, cyber-bully me on his facebook page?

3) He runs away and hides when his shields get damaged. No seriously, his shields. BE A MAN!

4) In fact, all he ever does the entire game is run away. At the citadel he ran away from Bailey (who had a gut wound at the time), at Thessia he ran away from me. Pathetic

5) The only thing he managed to successfully assassinate the entire game was my car.

6) He's really stupid. During the boss fight with him, (the one where he doesn't run away) the first thing he does is show his awesome power by - punching a hole in the floor to give you cover. Why doesn't he just hit you?

7) Stupid Elton John shades.

8) King of the space Ninja's

9) Totally fails to achieve his basic design premise - he isn't tough enough to be a boss, isn't dangerous enough to be afraid of or impressive enough to merit my attention for more than the few seconds it took to kick his ass once he stopped running.

10) Finally, I resented the inclusion of this ludicrous, clichéd, posturing, anime caricature into the ME 'verse

Modifié par Yoritomo Tetsu, 04 novembre 2013 - 02:53 .

[Urdnot Amenark]

milena87 wrote...

Subguy614 wrote...

Plot armor, Nightwing cosplayer, childish nah-nee nah-nee boo boo e-mail. Need I continue?

I think the cereal thing should be mentioned, yes.

How the hell can you be considered a worthy opponent after that?

That was a new low in writing quality.

[TheMyron]

You have a verbal choice on who to toast for when you're with Dr. Chakwas and her Serrice Ice Brandy, but you are given none when finally finishing off the biggest irritant of ME3.

P.S. Cerberus as a whole, should not have waited until the very end of the war to finally be removed from the conflict. Just think, TIM's base is finally captured, Leng is finally dead, and guess what, the last battle against the Reapers happens.

[Baihu1983]

You should have gone after them right after the Citadel attack. None of this BS with Miranda she should have just be able to tell you what system to search in.

Then no lame gunship scene on Thessia and no Illusive Man showing up at the end.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Miranda had "Daddy Issues" she needed to take care of first, and she knew The Illusive Man had sent assassins after her. If she told you where he was, she knew the The Illusive Man would know who told him and would send someone after her. Come on, you know this is quality video game writing.

[Eromenos]

Kai Leng is guaranteed to kill off at least one person we're supposed to feel some concern about during the campaign.

He also has a bit of Jacob curse. Both characters' development or insight happen offscreen in the books or comics. We're meant to be left wanting if we don't shell out for low-quality merchandise just to round out a couple half-baked storylines that come at us inexplicably and with forced exposition during the campaigns.

I also rope TIM into that, although not many do.

Modifié par Eromenos, 05 novembre 2013 - 08:26 .

[Baihu1983]

Eromenos wrote...

Kai Leng is guaranteed to kill off at least one person we're supposed to feel some concern about during the campaign.

Not so seeing as Thane, Miranda and Kirrahe can all be killed of before ME3 so the only person he would kill would be the councilor.

[Baihu1983]

I read that was to take place at the end of the mars mission?

Between the VS and Liara but then Bioware laughed at the thought of killing her off.

Remember that pic of him standing over Shepard and crushing the shotgun with one hand? Remember when people thought he might be done right?

[Deverz]

^ If that's the case I'm glad they cut that out. There's enough unavoidable deaths in ME3 as it is.

Anyway, I can't take Leng seriously. He looks like he crawled out of a crappy fan-fic.

[ElSuperGecko]

Deverz wrote...
^ If that's the case I'm glad they cut that out. There's enough unavoidable deaths in ME3 as it is...

...and yet nowhere near enough AVOIDABLE deaths.

It should have been possible for every single squad member stroke love interest to kick the bucket at some point or another, if your Shepard wasn't tough/quick/smart enough to save them.

It's not as though we really needed their presence in the final mission, after all.  Or for a sequel either, apparently..

But NO...!  It's the end of the story!  The climax to an awesome choice-based trilogy!  The war to end all wars!  No turning back!  No retreat!  No surrender!  The final battle to decide the fate of the galaxy!  LET'S GIVE PLOT ARMOUR TO EVERYONEZ.

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 05 novembre 2013 - 04:59 .

[ElSuperGecko]

StreetMagic wrote...
I'll be OK with this direction if they actually make use of it and do, in fact, make a sequel. Then maybe some characters (be it Liara or whoever) get a cameo or something. Otherwise, plot armor is pointless favoritism, if this was really the end of the story.

Yup.  If ME3 is, as Bioware have said, the end of the story - if we're going no further down this particular timeline (at least directly) - then there was no need whatsoever to shield any of the squad mates from potential harm.

As far as I can tell, it' impossible for Liara, Garrus, Vega or Javik to actually die.  At least make is possible, dagnamit.  As it is, there's little to no risk when it comes to your team, there's actually very few life-or-death, game-changing decisions.  For no good reason either, apparently.

[Baihu1983]

Didn't the EC change it so they can be killed on the run to the beam if you have a low EMS?

[KaiserShep]

Yes, it did.

The only reasonable solution I see to make everyone able to die without neglecting the rest of the game to get low EMS, would be to have a suicide mission-type dynamic for Priority: Earth.

[Straken-SWE]

LisuPL wrote...

Kai Leng? Just an upgraded phantom with plot armor.
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Really? I think you're forgetting a major thing here...  ponytail (which problably is the one haircut, that couldn't make the difference between men and women any more obvious)

[ElSuperGecko]

KaiserShep wrote...
The only reasonable solution I see to make everyone able to die without neglecting the rest of the game to get low EMS, would be to have a suicide mission-type dynamic for Priority: Earth.

Which could have been absolutely amazing, if it was an amped-up version of ME2's ending and actually took into account the decisions you'd made, the war assets you had and the characters you'd saved throughout the trilogy.

It could have made your decisions regarding the Rachni, the Geth, the Batarians, the Collector base, the Genophage and the survival of individual characters and so forth and so on actually mean something when it came to the final battle.

Suicide Mission version 2.0 - what COULD have been.

[Socash]

Since he had much more interest in fighting than in the Cerberus objectives, far too advanced shields and dodged bulets, seemed only tolerated by the Illusive Man and his sudden appearance, really thought he would be the real end game enemy.

Should have been the one who killed Anderson. Thane and Kirrahe both being killed. Miranda's death unavoidable. Bailey's (Kaiden/Ashley) death protecting the council could have started Council's Flight scene, first time he jumps on cars, Cortez having more heroics.

Expected Illusive Man redemption, since thought he was too fanatically insane for complete indoctrination. To be killed by Kai Leng and reveal the catalyst while he dies, insisting he did everything for humanity. Ending Cerberus.

Shepard mortally wounded while fighting him. Dies shortly after activating it, after struggling to the Crucible (a weapon) while the surroundings alternate between reality and the dream, dead voices say encouraging quotes (Siha/Gotten it wrong), last from love interest.

Plot shielding could have been changed to apparant deaths. From the geth and husks, to the collectors and scions, to the cannibals, banshee and brutes, the games' enemies became more technologically advanced and horrific, having Shepard's party seem tired and outdated, old soldiers. Wasn't disappointed by Kai Leng / Phantoms.

Didn't hate him. Ruined by poor cutscenes and bafflingly bad ending.

[Secretlyapotato]

Because he took that Prothean thing when I wanted it. > And he's pretty much lol evil

Otherwise I don't hate him, I thought he would be kinda cool if he'd been a squadmember. Oh and I think he's hot. (especially with Troy Baker's voice )

[aboosecay85ay]

How many times Kai Leng should have died, let me count the ways...

1) As has been stated before, the Thane fight. But no, BioWare passed Shep and friends the Idiot Ball for that cutscene.
2-5) Dramatic Power Rangers posing on a C-Sec car passing under at least 4 of those corridor-thingies Huerta Memorial is built into. Steer up, Shep. Steer up and turn him into a stain on the windscreen.
6) SoldierShep has grenades, and so do at least a couple of other squad members. High explosives + enclosed spaces like that elevator he gets into = chunky salsa on the walls (or holes in the floor and a very long fall.)
7-10) Every time he goes to 'recharge' out in the open on Thessia. If you're positioned right, you can spend the entire duration of his recharge time behind a pillar the gunship can't shoot through.

Beyond the plot armor, there's the whole "Final Fantasy Villain Reject Anime Douchenozzle" angle that's been brought up several times, the fact that a terminally ill drell kept him from his target, his "flippyflippyflippyI'mmaninjalookitme" idiotic fighting style...

God damn, there's no reason not to hate him for being an utterly terrible character and laughable 'dragon' whose successes come only because of his Plot Armor.

As for some personification of Cerberus to hate...um...hello? THE ILLUSIVE MAN.

[Deemz]

Death's Hand. That is how you make a villain that you actually fear before the encounter. KL? He was a joke from the moment you see him. No way to even take him seriously.