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[Dendio1]

kleindropper wrote...

Plot armor, plain and simple; My Shep would have sprayed the entire area with hot lead(or whatever those guns fire) and biotic energy during his altercation with Thane, instead of just standing there watching Thane get stabbed.

The game wanted Leng to pull an unfair advantage on shepard. It was playing dirty and it showed how leng is one of those who don't die so easily.

It was meant to get the player angry. However instead of being mad at leng for playing dirty, people are taking it beyond the fourth wall and getting mad at the devs for not lletting them get their kill, which is weak imo.

Perhaps the devs could have been more transparant about it...summon the copter in game and have it attack while leng walks over and grabs the prothean vi. They could set it up so that if you don't take cover then you die.

perhaps they decided to cinematic it  away because quite honestly it looked cooler to see it unfold in third person than to have the camera hiding behind a crate

Modifié par Dendio1, 11 mai 2012 - 05:27 .

[KingWrex]

Before deception he was a viable threat after it he's a joke. Not to mention he was supposed to be N7 not a stinkin space ninja.

[shodiswe]

I didn't care much got KL, and the people who say they could have made him better... You are probably right..

Also instead of leaving a silly E-mail letter they should have put in physical paper note or something in shepards personal cabbin on the Normandy... now that woudl have been more impressive... Along with a better story and more of a hannibal lector intellectual battle maybe... leaving clues, manipulating shepard, trying to run shepard into a trap... no cannibal stuff though... that's just silly...

As it is right now he's just like a big child trying to tease shepard. Like a stupid teenage bully who never grew up

[wright1978]

I don't hate him but don't think he was a terribly well executed character. Plus he wears an utterly silly mask. When compared with a character like Tela Vasir in LOTSB he comes up well and truly short.

[Dendio1]

shodiswe wrote...

I didn't care much got KL, and the people who say they could have made him better... You are probably right..

Also instead of leaving a silly E-mail letter they should have put in physical paper note or something in shepards personal cabbin on the Normandy... now that woudl have been more impressive... Along with a better story and more of a hannibal lector intellectual battle maybe... leaving clues, manipulating shepard, trying to run shepard into a trap... no cannibal stuff though... that's just silly...

As it is right now he's just like a big child trying to tease shepard. Like a stupid teenage bully who never grew up

If Leng was a mastermind in the books, I never go that vibe in game. In game he seems to be a skilled pro human mercenary who has a penchant for luck and survival.

Modifié par Dendio1, 11 mai 2012 - 05:31 .

[ckriley]

Pypek_360 wrote...

He's a space ninja. He looks like he was taken from Metal Gear or Tekken, didn't fit in the Mass Effect Universe at all IMHO.

So in other words he was a Jedi without a lightsaber.  I mean, space ninja = jedi after all.

[Flextt]

He is presented to us as the antithesis to Shepard and ends up being TIM's lapdog wanting to please him. He's a try-hard. Nothing more.

[Dendio1]

Leng seems more loyal than shepard, ill give him that.

[The Protheans]

He's sounds really annoying and not in a good evil way.
He is basically a dancing ninja in space.

On the citadel his performance was nothing short of terrible(gets chased away by a few guys)
Horizon was somewhat interesting, only because he got a small role.
Thessia was plain retarded, the fight and how he escapes was pathetic and should of been done better.

TIM's base was a joke, gets a 10/10 for dancing moves.
When the Phantom joined him I expected a duet.

We should of been able to kill him on Horizon in non-gameplay.

Modifié par The Protheans, 11 mai 2012 - 05:39 .

[FlyinElk212]

He works (sorta) as a character in the story.

He doesn't work as a character in the gameplay.

His boss battles are uninspired, basically he's a phantom who gets a frack-ton of support, and he's too incredibly easy. It makes all of his taunting to Shepard seem incredibly out of place.

[eddieoctane]

Dendio1 wrote...

kleindropper wrote...

Plot armor, plain and simple; My Shep would have sprayed the entire area with hot lead(or whatever those guns fire) and biotic energy during his altercation with Thane, instead of just standing there watching Thane get stabbed.

The game wanted Leng to pull an unfair advantage on shepard. It was playing dirty and it showed how leng is one of those who don't die so easily.

It was meant to get the player angry. However instead of being mad at leng for playing dirty, people are taking it beyond the fourth wall and getting mad at the devs for not lletting them get their kill, which is weak imo.

Perhaps the devs could have been more transparant about it...summon the copter in game and have it attack while leng walks over and grabs the prothean vi. They could set it up so that if you don't take cover then you die.

perhaps they decided to cinematic it  away because quite honestly it looked cooler to see it unfold in third person than to have the camera hiding behind a crate

If you want the player to get angry, have the villain actually do something besides run away to his invincibility corner. It's just lazy. If Cerberus was shown to have several gunships on Thessia before the KL fight, and more than one tried to jump Shepard, people wouldn't mind it as much. But actually writing "look, im invincible" into the damn dialog is just freaking lazy. And for that, the 4th wall should be broken.

[Pottumuusi]

It doesn't really matter if swords go through kinetic barriers or not, because swords are pretty lousy weapons in general.
In the age of modern medical science, the wound Kai Leng dealt to Thane would have been extremely non-lethal for a healthy human being.

Modifié par Pottumuusi, 11 mai 2012 - 06:15 .

[A0170]

[IanPolaris]

Dendio1 wrote...

kleindropper wrote...

Plot armor, plain and simple; My Shep would have sprayed the entire area with hot lead(or whatever those guns fire) and biotic energy during his altercation with Thane, instead of just standing there watching Thane get stabbed.

The game wanted Leng to pull an unfair advantage on shepard. It was playing dirty and it showed how leng is one of those who don't die so easily.

It was meant to get the player angry. However instead of being mad at leng for playing dirty, people are taking it beyond the fourth wall and getting mad at the devs for not lletting them get their kill, which is weak imo.

Perhaps the devs could have been more transparant about it...summon the copter in game and have it attack while leng walks over and grabs the prothean vi. They could set it up so that if you don't take cover then you die.

perhaps they decided to cinematic it  away because quite honestly it looked cooler to see it unfold in third person than to have the camera hiding behind a crate

You are missing the point here.  I have no trouble with a villian that fights dirty and even has advantages that we don't.  Let me go back and talk about a similiar confrontation done well....and we don't even have to look very far.  In particular, consider the first confrontation with Saren.  Saren has the abilities of pretty much all the classes, he has a floating skatboard, and he is really hard to kill.  Thus when you finally do whittle him down, having him throw his flashbang and get away leaving you with no chance to save everyone doesn't feel forced at all.  Yes you hate Saren but you hate him for the right reasons.

Consider the Attach Copter.  Even in the sun, a good inflitrated should have been able to severely damage it if not outright shoot it down, especially with a Widow or Black Widow Rifle.  K-L's shields shouldn't have lasted more than a second or two, and since WHEN does he gain immunity to stasis (Mr No Armor Guy).  I could go on, but the fact is when K-L's final plot armor goes down in the Cerberus base, he lasts all of about 2 second which shows just how lame he is.

I don't feel like I lost to Kai Leng after Thessia.  I feel jobbed and cheated by the Bioware writers after Thessia and that's not a good place to be.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

Dendio1 wrote...

Leng seems more loyal than shepard, ill give him that.

In ME3 Leng seems like a psychotic loose cannon (which is why it's no suprise to me when we learn he got a dishonorable discharge).  It seems like TIM has to struggle mightily just to keep his chief minion FOCUSED on the mission and not on slaughting women and eating children.  No matter how renegade or paragon, TIM never had that problem with Shepard (and from what little I can gather, TIM seems to wish he still had shepard working for him and seems to have no confidence that K-L can beat him).

-Polaris

[Iucounou]

Why did I hate Kai Leng?

Because he was a lame excuse for a villain. The first time I saw him I actually laughed at his ridiculous batman eye-mask thing. The Phantoms and such were bad enough space ninja things to put in, but Leng was just....pathetic.

[XavierHollywood]

Ytook wrote...

I probably wouldn't mind him in the rest of the game if the fight scene between him and Thane wasn't so dumb. Shep and co stand there not doing anything, they or Thane din't shoot at him when he's lying on the ground, Kai Leng doesn't use a ranged weapon at all, and worst of all Thane runs towards a guy with a sword when Thane himself has a gun. And surprise surprise Thane gets stabbed, I was expecting Thane to die and I'm glad he got to do it in a badass way (in theory), but that fight scene was so contrived and silly it soured me on Kai Leng.

Correct me if im wrong here, but I thought Kai Leng had two ranged weapons.  The energy blast from his palm, and the energy slice from his sword that he uses in the final fight with him.

Thane also struck me as the type who based his worth off of his combat prowess, and his hand to hand skills more then anything.  From the CGI vid at the beginning of ME2, to the Shadow Broker recordings of him, to the extra info of him in Shadow Broker, to the way he dealswith his target at the end of his recruitment mission in ME2.  Thane is all melee all the time, and when given the choice, it seems hes most confident and will choose that route always.  So it didnt strike me as odd to see him go in for the kill with his hands/feet.

The only prob I had with the fight was Shep and co standing around not doing much.  Could have easily been remedied if during the cutscene a Cerberus squad shows up and pins them down with fire.

Other then that I really dont have any qualms with Leng.  Its obvious he was completely insecure and suffered from a major inferiority complex because of Shepard.    Listening to his feeble attempts to taunt you during the final fight showed how his weak psyche was cracking under the pressure of facing someone better then himself, and Shepard had even better comebacks during the taunting to boot.

Modifié par XavierHollywood, 11 mai 2012 - 06:43 .

[XavierHollywood]

Pottumuusi wrote...

It doesn't really matter if swords go through kinetic barriers or not, because swords are pretty lousy weapons in general.
In the age of modern medical science, the wound Kai Leng dealt to Thane would have been extremely non-lethal for a healthy human being.

Didnt he run Thane clean through with his sword?  That seems pretty lethal to me, and who knows what Drell biology is like.  KL may have very hit the most vital of organs for a Drell.

[tholloway93]

i just felt he needed more depth really.

and that bastard killed thane. did i mention he's a bastard for killing thane. bastard.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Why hate Kai Leng? Because he is the worst caricature of an Asian Ninja I've ever seen. If you're going to put an Asian in the game, can they at least make the person competent. Okay we did have Kasumi, and they did give us Emily Wong, but they killed off Emily via Twitter. So that leaves two Asians in the entire game now. Two.

[Pottumuusi]

XavierHollywood wrote...

 KL may have very hit the most vital of organs for a Drell.

It's stated he died from blood loss, transfusion didn't help because of Kepral's syndrome.

So, Kai Leng's main weapon of choice would be effective versus a total of... one person on the citadel. Yeah.

[HyperGlass]

I take it for the ones who really hate him simply replay the mission to kill him again and again because his death is to short.
I know I will be.

[TheLostGenius]

He's a 2 dimensional character. HE IS SO EVIL!!! It would have been more interesting if an important named character had been turned...or Saren came back with the most advanced Reaper augments. Kai Leng, is cool looking, his VO is good, but his place in the story is from books...books that most players have not read.

[grey_wind]

Because every character becomes laughably incompetent in cutscenes just so Kai Leng can accomplish anything.

[kleindropper]

Dendio1 wrote...

kleindropper wrote...

Plot armor, plain and simple; My Shep would have sprayed the entire area with hot lead(or whatever those guns fire) and biotic energy during his altercation with Thane, instead of just standing there watching Thane get stabbed.

The game wanted Leng to pull an unfair advantage on shepard. It was playing dirty and it showed how leng is one of those who don't die so easily.

It was meant to get the player angry. However instead of being mad at leng for playing dirty, people are taking it beyond the fourth wall and getting mad at the devs for not lletting them get their kill, which is weak imo.

Perhaps the devs could have been more transparant about it...summon the copter in game and have it attack while leng walks over and grabs the prothean vi. They could set it up so that if you don't take cover then you die.

perhaps they decided to cinematic it  away because quite honestly it looked cooler to see it unfold in third person than to have the camera hiding behind a crate

The Thane episode is not about the kill, it's about Shepard and two squadmates just standing around while a sickly Thane is taking on the guy by himself.  To make that scene work, Shepard should have been pinned by debris or caught behind a window he needs to break through while Thane fights alone.

As for Thessia, I don't even know why they even had any gameplay, the whole thing should have been a cutscene; Either that or have Shepard busy with killable enemies while Leng sneaks in and takes the VI.