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[Captain Noodle]

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

Captain Noodle wrote...

I don't hate him. I don't fear him. I don't feel intimidated by him.

Thus, he completely fails as a boss or "dragon" type character. He comes off as an arrogant, incompetent adrenaline-junkie who needs a damn gunship to have a change against Shepard.

A cutscene gunship. We've downed several gunships as well as their reaper equivalents.

Exactly my point.  He's the best Cerberus has to offer, and yet a terminally ill drell that has trouble running stops him from assassinating his target.  He's pathetic.

[XavierHollywood]

Captain Noodle wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

Captain Noodle wrote...

I don't hate him. I don't fear him. I don't feel intimidated by him.

Thus, he completely fails as a boss or "dragon" type character. He comes off as an arrogant, incompetent adrenaline-junkie who needs a damn gunship to have a change against Shepard.

A cutscene gunship. We've downed several gunships as well as their reaper equivalents.

Exactly my point.  He's the best Cerberus has to offer, and yet a terminally ill drell that has trouble running stops him from assassinating his target.  He's pathetic.

If anything, to me, that just shows how far and above Thane was to everyone else (except Shep).

[Taboo]

Didn't Mac Walters write him for ME3?

LOL.

[sorentoft]

It went wrong in the book that must not be named. At that point he could not be salvaged and should just have been forgotten and the space+time used for more Kasumi.

[vv238email]

His plot armor is so thick and powerful that Shepard deserves to die for not killing him in every previous encounter.

[IanPolaris]

When fighting Kai-Leng: "Hmm, the plot is strong with this one....."

-Polaris

[gmboy902]

I think for the large number of people who didn't read the books he was just kind of thrown in there and we were expected to know about him. They tried to introduce a main character without building him up at all, he was just thrown onto the story like spaghetti on a wall. Killing him was still somewhat satisfying, but he could have been done a lot better because there's always room in Mass Effect for a techno-assassin.

[Kosmiker]

He's no Bruce Lee.

[mikelope]

His taunts were lame, so it's hard to buy his badass capabilities. And when the game does not allow you to beat him in the fights, it gets frustrating. It might have been better if he was mute.

[GDK]

mikelope wrote...

His taunts were lame, so it's hard to buy his badass capabilities. And when the game does not allow you to beat him in the fights, it gets frustrating. It might have been better if he was mute.

Pretty much this. I usually dropped him in about 30 seconds per fight with a Black Widow, and he always seemed to believe he was better somehow... 

But his email sort of got the effect out of me the devs (I think) were hoping for. Not so much I want revenge but more:

I AM GOING TO MURDER YOUR ANNOYING, PLOT ARMORED, SWORD-WEILDING, CEREAL EATING FACE.

[feliciano2040]

People hate Kai Leng because of Mass Effect's own Rule # 34:

If it exists in any of the games, it can be complained about.

For my part, my only problem with Kai Leng was his lack of characterization, I thought he was a cool, entertaining foil for Shepard, but at some points it seemed like a missed oportunity because we never get into any real depth in regards to his xenophobia, to mention an example, specially considering how there aren't many human racists in the ME universe, it would've been a great, interesting point of view worthy of exploring.

[HyperGlass]

IanPolaris wrote...

When fighting Kai-Leng: "Hmm, the plot is strong with this one....."

-Polaris

My thoughts were similar to that in ME2 when fighting Harbinger. Despite chatting to much he is much less annoying to other than Kai Leng who is just a fail on so many levels.

[GreyLycanTrope]

feliciano2040 wrote...

People hate Kai Leng because of Mass Effect's own Rule # 34:

If it exists in any of the games, it can be complained about.

For my part, my only problem with Kai Leng was his lack of characterization, I thought he was a cool, entertaining foil for Shepard, but at some points it seemed like a missed oportunity because we never get into any real depth in regards to his xenophobia, to mention an example, specially considering how there aren't many human racists in the ME universe, it would've been a great, interesting point of view worthy of exploring.

Rule 34 you say? I do not think that means what you think it means  http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/rule-34

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 13 mai 2012 - 07:59 .

[Taboo]

feliciano2040 wrote...


For my part, my only problem with Kai Leng was his lack of characterization, I thought he was a cool, entertaining foil for Shepard, but at some points it seemed like a missed oportunity because we never get into any real depth in regards to his xenophobia, to mention an example, specially considering how there aren't many human racists in the ME universe, it would've been a great, interesting point of view worthy of exploring.

That was explored in the books yes?

I had an idea of who he was when we were told he was going to be in the game but I don't know much about him past what I heard and saw in the game.

I don't hate Kai Leng, I just always thought of him as someone far less powerful than he thought he was. A tool to be used by the Illusive Man, one that would do anything to make himself look better.

That was MY interpretation anyway.

[Eromenos]

I only dislike him for similar reasons as I do for TIM and Jacob(ME2-version), but even then Kai Leng never galled me like those two did.

All three of them were uber-pimp Cerberus macho dudes who could not actually be translated well on-screen with or without their dull backstories from the comics, books, and side-games. Since I never touched any of those, I have an even dimmer view of these guys than most people.

Kai Leng's involvement in the actual ME games is mercifully brief and his voice-acting less strained than the other two, so I'm actually relieved ME3 didn't use him to force-feed ME2-glorifying exposition on us. He could've been so much worse.

Modifié par Eromenos, 13 mai 2012 - 09:40 .

[Chief Commander]

I didn´t like that he was just thrown into the game. No mention of him in any of the games (not counting the books) and BAM he is there like he was all along. Kinda poorly done.

[LoganofET]

I like how he has no idea what the word coward means.

"Your friend Thane was a coward."

He risked his life to fight a cybernetically enhanced assassin with physic powers to defend his friends and a important politician. WHILE SUFFERING FROM A TERMINAL DISEASE!

I understand trying to get me angry by insulting him, but make F***ing sense! I hate how Shepard doesn't even call him on it.

[From Tuchanka with Love]

Newsflash: You were supposed to hate Kai Lang. That's kind of the point. Well done, BioWare, you made a truly despicable villian. However, people are still going to hate on you because they expect to like every character including the ones they're supposed to hate. LOLWUT.

Modifié par From Tuchanka with Love, 13 mai 2012 - 11:09 .

[From Tuchanka with Love]

Chief Commander wrote...

I didn´t like that he was just thrown into the game. No mention of him in any of the games (not counting the books) and BAM he is there like he was all along. Kinda poorly done.

More of this dumb ****. You basically just said that the entirety of Mass Effect 2 was poorly done. Hell, that anything that has ever been done is poorly done because they introduce new characters. Do people not understand the fallacies that they type?

[Captain Noodle]

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...

Newsflash: You were supposed to hate Kai Lang. That's kind of the point.

But I don't.  He's done nothing to me that's worthy of hatred.  Oh sure, he killed Thane, but the poor guy was on his last legs anyways.  He took the Prothean VI on Thessia, but that was mostly the gunship, shoddy construction, and gravity working against me.  If I remember that fight correctly, he spent most of that fight recharging his shields.

If I hated him, he'd actually be a half-way decent antagonist.  As it is, I view Kai Leng as an incompetent stooge who needs a freaking gunship and ten meters worth of plot armor to stand a chance.

[N7-RedFox]

HyperGlass wrote...

Not to say I like him but aside from the obvious murders he's committed why else do people hate Kai Leng? I thought myself that he was going to be quite a badass villian but in the game.....no. Just no.

Why the hate? Coz he never finishes a fight, he just runs away like a little b*tch until u gut him in TIM's office (that was my favourite Leng scene)

[Oni Changas]

I like how people b*tch about Leng needing a gunship and/or troops to take down Shepard... who in turn always needs two squadmates to assist him.

ANYWAYS.

My summary: Kai Leng in Retribution = Gohan in DBZ's Cell Games arc

Kai Leng post Retribution = Gohan post Tenkaichi 26

Built up as a badass mofo (rescuing TIM on station during Turian raid = Mopping the floor with Cell/Cell JR's)

Then potential is ultimately wasted (Deception = 7 year jump)

Even having a tough time with someone who shouldn't be in his league (Terminally ill Thane = Dabura)

There you have it. Maybe Kai can get a mystic reawakening and reclaim his BAMF trophy..

[Krunjar]

Actually it isn't so stupid to see guns and swords on the same field. It just depends on how advanced youre defensive abilities are versus the firepower of youre ranged weapons. In our tech level gunpowder based weapons made ranged killing powerfull and accurate. And so warfare has been based on ranged combat for quite a while. However a single bullet can not do as much damadge or be as destructive as a directed melee weapon. So theoretically if defensive technology was to becaome effective enough to take people safeley back into melee range melee would again become viable. Remember they had ranged stuff in the middle ages arrow and crossbows etc they just weren't effective enough versus armored infantry.

Honestly I think alot of people hate him because he was clearly asian influenced. For some reason alot of poeple suddenly seem to think it's ok to be racist against Asian people again as long as they don't come out and admit it ... go figure.

[Deuterium_Dawn]

Krunjar wrote...

Actually it isn't so stupid to see guns and swords on the same field. It just depends on how advanced youre defensive abilities are versus the firepower of youre ranged weapons. In our tech level gunpowder based weapons made ranged killing powerfull and accurate. And so warfare has been based on ranged combat for quite a while. However a single bullet can not do as much damadge or be as destructive as a directed melee weapon.

A single bullet brings far more force to bear than any human being could. Now we have mass effect technology which allows us to accellerate projectiles to even greater velocities.

So theoretically if defensive technology was to becaome effective enough to take people safeley back into melee range melee would again become viable. Remember they had ranged stuff in the middle ages arrow and crossbows etc they just weren't effective enough versus armored infantry.

Crossbows were quite effective against armored targets. They were just rather slow to reload.

Honestly I think alot of people hate him because he was clearly asian influenced. For some reason alot of poeple suddenly seem to think it's ok to be racist against Asian people again as long as they don't come out and admit it ... go figure.

Oh look, baseless ad hominems and playing the racism card to try and shore up your argument.  

Modifié par Deuterium_Dawn, 14 mai 2012 - 12:39 .