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[LoganofET]

Krunjar wrote...


Honestly I think alot of people hate him because he was clearly asian influenced. For some reason alot of poeple suddenly seem to think it's ok to be racist against Asian people again as long as they don't come out and admit it ... go figure.

16:03-16:30

Replace Black guy dieing in horror moive with generic Asian influeced ninja

[Master_Smurf]

Simple, He is no Saren.

Devoid of any character and the whole 80's videogame moves are just lame.

[NUM13ER]

Well they made me hate him enough to enjoy him being stabbed...so not a complete loss. He was basically the Illusive Mans muscle, so him not being a very deep character is expected. I think him being an obvious example of a characters cutscene powers being greater than his actual in game ability.

The execution of the character could have been better but I thought a smug ****** who does Cerberus' dirty work was enough.

Modifié par NUM13ER, 14 mai 2012 - 01:16 .

[Acacia Meridian]

- He doesn't have armour. Therefore, by the rules of gameplay, I should just have been able to have Liara stasis him and then headshot him/throw a biotic detonation party/wander up to him in my Tactical Cloak with a Claymore whilst grinning like a maniac. Cutting out the entire ridiculousness that was the end of Thessia (and also the Kronos Station boss-fight). Actually...I could probably save Thane that way too.

- The gunship support. I killed a gunship in Garrus' recruitment mission last game. I killed another one on Illium (I can't remember if it was Samara's recruitment mission or Miranda's loyalty mission, but I remember doing it) and did significant damage to a third during Kasumi's loyalty mission. And yet, six months later, I can't even get a hit off on this one? Really?

- The biotic barrier. Okay, so Jack can't stop an assault rifle. Samara/Morinth can't do it either. Neither can Liara. Or Javik. Or Kaidan. Or Adept!Shepard. All of which, we've been told, are some of the strongest biotics in the galaxy. And yet, he apparently can? Unless he can use Immunity (which might make sense, but leave unexplained the fact that Soldier!Shepard and Ashley have apparently completely forgotten about it).

- Kai Leng himself. If the Illusive Man had an asset in ME2 with invincible plot armour and apparently a mixture of Tech, Biotics and Soldier classes, why wasn't he fighting the Collectors? If the Illusive Man was that committed to saving humanity (and, as far as we know, he wasn't indoctrinated at that point) why didn't he commit all of his resources?

[Krunjar]

"A single bullet brings far more force to bear than any human being could"

Im not talking about hitting someone with my fist friend I am assuming technologically advanced melee weapons capable of cutting through armor/barriers. A ranged projectile is by necessity self contained whearas a blade could be hooked into its users power supply a la omniblades or have other technology simply too bulky to be contained in a single bullet. Not that I am dissing ranged combat at all. Just saying that melee and technology arent quite the misbegoten mix alot of people seem to think they are. And yes when you want full on destructive force ranged weapons are the way to go but if melee guy is close don't think ranged guy is getting time to load that gun let alone the issue of minimum range that crops up once ranged weapons exceed a certain destructive power and their own design limitations.

What melee needs to be effective is agility to dodge incoming fire and close quickly and/or enough protection to withstand ranged attack. And weapons capable of quickly killing an enemy at close range. If technology where to give it that it would become brutally effective. And while this technology is pureley sci-fi that's exactly what mass effect is

And yeah I also did think that Kai Leng needed some more fleshing out story wise. I think he should have been included in ME2. Built up the rivalry angle a bit more and he would have been a really cool character. I didn't mind him. But I agree he kinda came out of nowhere wearing an "I hate shephard" T-Shirtand a "TIM Forevah!"  Headband.

Modifié par Krunjar, 14 mai 2012 - 11:40 .

[obZen DF]

It's such a missed oppertunity for Kai Leng. He was great in the books. A really deep character, with much dialogue and great stealthy actions. And what do we get in the game? A pawn whose only words are: WE EVOLVE OR WE DIE, THOOOSEE ARE THE OPTIONS! Bam, omniblade impaled. Dead.

[JackofStaves]

Krunjar wrote...

"A single bullet brings far more force to bear than any human being could"

Im not talking about hitting someone with my fist friend I am assuming technologically advanced melee weapons capable of cutting through armor/barriers. A ranged projectile is by necessity self contained whearas a blade could be hooked into its users power supply a la omniblades or have other technology simply too bulky to be contained in a single bullet. Not that I am dissing ranged combat at all. Just saying that melee and technology arent quite the misbegoten mix alot of people seem to think they are. And yes when you want full on destructive force ranged weapons are the way to go but if melee guy is close don't think ranged guy is getting time to load that gun let alone the issue of minimum range that crops up once ranged weapons exceed a certain destructive power and their own design limitations.

What melee needs to be effective is agility to dodge incoming fire and close quickly and/or enough protection to withstand ranged attack. And weapons capable of quickly killing an enemy at close range. If technology where to give it that it would become brutally effective. And while this technology is pureley sci-fi that's exactly what mass effect is

And yeah I also did think that Kai Leng needed some more fleshing out story wise. I think he should have been included in ME2. Built up the rivalry angle a bit more and he would have been a really cool character. I didn't mind him. But I agree he kinda came out of nowhere wearing an "I hate shephard" T-Shirtand a "TIM Forevah!"  Headband.

One word.

Lightsaber.

[GimmeDaGun]

I "hate" him because he's a boring, 2-bit character who lacked charisma and was only a boring mindless pawn for TIM with a bunch of cliched to hell, cheesy lines. A completely unnecessarry waste of screen time and development resources. Doesn't add to the story and the atmosphere.

I especially hate him because he is a much more intelligent, cunning and "evil" character who is definitely a bigger manace in the leaked script (just like in the books). He would have tricked Ashley \\Kaiden by pretending to be an Alliance black op. who would have been chasing down Shepard for killing a council specter on Eden Prime (yes Eden Prime and the plot with "the prothean squadmate" would have played out a lot more interestingly) and would have told the VS that Shepard was still working for Cerberus and was indoctrinated. He also sets a trap for Shepard in the original script where Shepard almost dies (in Thessia) and wakes up later in the med bay of the Normandy while it was flying towards the Desteny Ascension (if intact) or another asari ship of high command to meet with the asari councilor who tells Shep about the Citadell and the council being threatened by a cunning political coup by Udina and Cerberus operatives - it would have been a lot more interesting). Kai Leng could have make you kill VS and at the end of the Thessia mission (if he\\she was unloyal, or you cheated on him\\her or if you had not enough charisma) and you would have had to choose one of your comrades to save (the other would have died in the incident). Oh and he would have kidnapped Javik (!) for Cerberus (him smiling back at you would have been the last thing Shep would have seen before passing out),

Leaked script >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the story of the game

[ZombieChad]

I read the books and was excited about him being in there. Finally the chance to kick his ass personally...

Then I went head to head against him and he was protected from me via the plot. I wasn't disappointed to see him, just in how he was handled. That said the Renegade interrupt to kill him was good

[knightnblu]

It was clear that there was no way to ice him until you hit Cerberus HQ. Otherwise, I would have inverted my car and been finished with him on the Citadel. He was nowhere near as dangerous as he was portrayed in the books and that was disappointing.

[Tritium315]

He comes out of nowhere unless you read the books, and even then he still shows up out of nowhere, is riciulously characterized in comparison to the rest of the game (ninja swords? what is this a fanfic), and can't dealt with in anyway but how the game desires, no matter how well you do beforehand. Basically he's foreshadowing for how the ending will play out.

[Peranor]

I don't have much problem with Kai Leng. He wasn't that memorable, but I don't want him cut out of the game either.
And nothing wrong with plot armor. It's needed sometimes to keep the story on track.

[arisian]

zenoxis wrote...

Based on my understanding, the purpose of kai leng was to give us someone to hate. I'd say mission accomplished based on that...

Er, not quite.  The purpose of Kai Leng was to make us hate Kai Leng.  What it actually did was make us hate the lazy writers/designers who created Kai Leng.  I really don't think that was what they were going for.

Leng himself was clearly a joke; even TIM doesn't take him seriously, and practically laughs when Leng says he'll take on Shep.

The only reason Leng survives every single encounter with Shep (baring the last one, of course) is his magical plot armor.  Really now, if it were possible for a human to have a kinetic barrier several times as strong as the one on an Atlas, don't you think we'd all be using them?  Or at least, I dunno, the super-advanced Reaper-tech-Geth-Primes might have them?  Nope, everyone else has bariers that go down in a flash, but Leng has one that can take arbitrary damage without going down.  Cloak+Disruptor ammo+black widow in the Thessia scene means the first (head)shot causes significant damage, but the next two do *absolutely nothing*.  Not to mention all the times that control is taken from the player so you can't just shoot him, instead of passively watching as he runs around and kills people.

[phototed]

Sheperd is a freaking spectre! When Thane was fighting him, he should have just shot KL in the head!

[Tirranek]

- Too much context missing if you haven't read the books.
- Most likely irrelevant context even if you have.
- No characterisation at all
- Annoying plot armour
- It's hard to actually have an opinion of him at all

To be fair though, shanking him was fun. Though I kind of wish the Renegade interrupt was just shooting him over your shoulder without looking.

[Ecrulis]

There are many reasons to hate him; but part of the problem is, for me at least, is that the first time we encounter him hes pathetic, as Thane put it "he let a terminally ill drell get between him and his target". Which in turn causes him to literally need an invincible shield to justify shepard not moping the floor with him on thessia, not to mention my vanguard shep has taken down things bigger than that gunship with my paladin heavy pistol <_<, much less an infiltrator with a damned black widow. The whole thing is poorly put together and makes Kai Leng feel weak and pathetic instead of powerful.

The reason its not as bad with Saren is because Virmire is the first time we go up against him so him "beating" us in the cutscene gives the player the idea of "hey he is kind of powerful" and even then we do manage to get a punch in and escape.

Bottom line is most people hate the way his character is written rather than hate the character for what he dies, that my friends is a poorly written character.

Modifié par Ecrulis, 14 mai 2012 - 04:18 .

[garrusfan1]

I hate him becase he talks like he is the best but when shepard fight him on thessia for example he gos and has a gun ship cover him and what he says about thane dying like a coward fighting him uh he justs annoys me to no end but I am trying not to rant

[incinerator950]

If I wanted to fight Comic Book enemies, I'd play Marvel's games.

Poorly scripted movie appearance. Is as consistent as ME 1's Codex ammunition and lack thereof in gameplay.

[do_or_die]

He is an incredibly cheecy character. The armor, the sword, the attitude.... Plus there was no personal motive, he was just an overpowered goon

[Kia Purity]

Man, I was all set up to beat Kai Leng's ass from having read the previous ME novels then Deception--

How the hell do you beat up a cereal killer who thinks peeing in a vase is a good idea?

...so hard to take seriously then the bastard trolls me in an email. (Rage'd over that, lulz.)

[M_Kirkwall]

About that biotic barrier..

First, it's not a biotic barrier. I don't know where I heard this (maybe in-game) but I remember that barrier uses dark energy to stop bullets

And about Kai Leng, he is obviously indoctrinated and he is a bish. I hate him anyway.

[Braith]

I hate him because he is Nightblade from Saints Row. Although at least Nightblade was suppose to be corny.

[darkchief10]

quite simply
book kai leng=bad ass( **** deception)
game kai leng = major **** \\
nuff said

[TheMyron]

Kai Leng, like Cerberus in general, had long outstayed his welcome in ME3.
His death was way too simple, and Shepard's unwelcome auto-dialogue made killing him in the name of someone I cared little for... Thane.

The problems with ME3, like those of the world, are in the form of a spider's web, you can't touch any one problem without touching another. And I could fill a whole volume with the problems ME3 has.

P.S. Its nice to resurrect an old forum every now and then.