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[upsettingshorts]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Miranda's ass (or EDI's ******) seems more exploitative to me than Witcher 2 sex scenes.

They're examples, too.

KnightofPhoenix wrote... 

Because they are in place, in context and fit in the tone of the game.

Then it follows the entire game is exploitative.  Which - and I'll emphasize this strongly - doesn't mean "bad" it just means it follows certain genre conventions.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...  

I don't really see what's wrong with the sex scenes. They are all in one way or the other justified within the plot if one seeks to engage in them, other than prostitutes.

"Wrong" is the... wrong word.  It's about the cinematography, costume decisions, it's... a host of things.  But as Justice Potter Stewart once said, "I know it when I see it."

But I'm not going to go even further off-topic by starting a film class lesson.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 12 mai 2012 - 10:16 .

[Blastback]

Sajji wrote...

How does this correlate into DA3 receiving the biggest backlash ever?

It did.  For a moment.  Then that train really jumped the tracks..

I can't discuss the Witcher series.  It looks interesting, but I'd rather play an RPG with a character I can create, so it's never been a priority.  And I've only read a little of Martin's stuff it's good, but i wouldn't enjoy it if it were a video game.  It's an awesome story, but it's not one that I would have fun playing.  That's why I prefered origin's cliched plotline to DA2's.  It's unoriginal yes, but it's fun to be the hero who saves the world.  It's not fun to spend 40-60 hours and feel like you've accomplished nothing, which is what DA2 left me with.

My opinion, take it for what it's worth. 

[Chromie]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Miranda's ass (or EDI's ******) seems more exploitative to me than Witcher 2 sex scenes. Because they are in place, in context and fit in the tone of the game.

This totally isn't exploitation.

 
 
 

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Miranda's ass (or EDI's ******) seems more exploitative to me than Witcher sex scenes. Because they are in place, in context and fit in the tone of the game.

Mass Effect is horrid about nonsensical fanservice. The Mass Effect team isn't the Dragon Age team, though.

 I don't really see what's wrong with the sex scenes. They are all in one way or the other justified within the plot if one seeks to engage in them, other than prostitutes of course.

 
I'm sure it's less bothersome to anyone not actually affected by female objectification in media!

[Dave of Canada]

Sajji wrote...

How does this correlate into DA3 receiving the biggest backlash ever?

Maturity of plot compared with TW2 > somebody says TW2 isn't mature > argument > sex scenes mentioned as immature > current train of thought

[KnightofPhoenix]

slimgrin wrote...
I am convinced the cards were simply budget alternatives to cut scenes. The problem with sex in TW1 was the sheer number of times Geralt got laid and the ease with which he could.

Which sometimes appeared out of nowhere!

*tells Triss a compliment* - bam sex.
*Give an elf food* - bam hate sex
*Want to help some vampires just out of altruism* - bam foursome with ugly vampires.

Wtf?

It was very immature when it came to that. TW2 improved dramatically.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 12 mai 2012 - 10:20 .

[TheMufflon]

android654 wrote...

Kind of hard to avoid when it's true.

Is it? There are plenty of games I think are better than the Dragon Age games, yet I am somehow able to resist the temptation of brining them up in every thread.

[Addai]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I can only comment on TW1, but in response to that game alone I find your analysis laughable.  Sex cards exist and there is no justifying them.  Seriously, if I was going to do a project that attempted to detail misogyny and exploitation in video games I'd start with TW1. 

They're no different than a fade to black or one of those awkward pixel bumping scenes, except the "collectible" aspect which is indeed crass.  Artistically they're actually nicely illustrated- apart from a couple of them which still give me nightmares and I can only attribute to Geralt's potion goggles.    On the whole, I don't find them any more tasteless than Bioware's bump and grind scenes, or VA's sucking on their hand in front of a microphone.

The games are certainly not misogynistic.  That's just stupid.  The whole theme of chapter 1 in TW1 is about what real misogyny is- a town blaming a woman on the margins of society for their own vices.  If you missed that and were giggling over the boobs, that's your own problem.  On my replay of TW1 (when I was no longer being a completionist), Geralt slept with a grand total of two women the whole game, one of them his long-term GF who played a major role in the plot.

[Chromie]

TheMufflon wrote...

android654 wrote...

Kind of hard to avoid when it's true.

Is it? There are plenty of games I think are better than the Dragon Age games, yet I am somehow able to resist the temptation of brining them up in every thread.

There are plenty of threads here yet I resist the temptation to post in everyone of them.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Then it follows the entire game is exploitative.  Which - and I'll emphasize this strongly - doesn't mean "bad" it just means it follows certain genre conventions.

Perhaps it is.

Don't really mind it. It doesn't look ridiculous or out of place.

[Sajji]

What? People claim Dragon Age has a plot more mature than TW2?

Bahahahaha!

[upsettingshorts]

Sajji wrote...

Slim...monster contracts aren't what some players expect.

When BioWare puts monster contracts in their games, they are criticized for "mmo-style kill X monsters" lazy quest writing.

I "expected" monster contracts, because I beat TW1. I'm familiar with what Witchers are. But I get very bored of them very quickly. My attempts to replay TW1 have, thus, always ended in the swamp.

Sajji wrote...

Some expect continuous dealings with crybaby mages, and fetching tissues to wipe their tears away from their oppression...

Oh look, someone else who can simplify and belittle a narrative. I'm really impressed.

Sajji wrote...

What? People claim Dragon Age has a plot more mature than TW2?

Bahahahaha!

No.  People are claiming "mature/immature" is a nonsense, self-serving dichotomy with no justification or relation to the quality of storytelling.

Skelter192 wrote...

This totally isn't exploitation.

Did you miss the part where I said it was, or were you just ignoring it?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 12 mai 2012 - 10:21 .

[Sajji]

Did Dragon Age 2 have a plot?

[Maria Caliban]

Skelter192 wrote...


This totally isn't exploitation.

It's not. The other two are.

But Mass Effect has been criticized on this point many times. How is that an argument against The Witcher being exploitative?

[ipgd]

Yes.

[upsettingshorts]

Sajji wrote...

Did Dragon Age 2 have a plot?

Do you know what the word "plot" even means?

Even Twilight has a plot.

[Maria Caliban]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Obviously those who say that women in TW2 exist only to give males hard ons didn't play the game.

I'm going to agree with this.

It's an area in which The Witcher and The Witcher 2 are very different.

Sajji wrote...

Did Dragon Age 2 have a plot?

Yes.

Did your post have a point?

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 12 mai 2012 - 10:24 .

[Sajji]

So that hunk of girl meat James Vega and his mountainous biceps gets ignored, eh?

[slimgrin]

Skelter192 wrote...

This totally isn't exploitation.

 

*snip*

I've no idea why they included ******. It doesn't offend me, just funny. But I will defend the Miranda sex scene and her black bra - just plain sexy. There should be more of this in their games when it comes to romance.

Modifié par slimgrin, 12 mai 2012 - 10:25 .

[Costin_Razvan]

No Bioware game has anything to match this:

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 12 mai 2012 - 10:24 .

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Sajji wrote...

So that hunk of girl meat James Vega and his mountainous biceps gets ignored, eh?

What relevance does this comment have to anything being discussed in this thread?

[Sajji]

Could somebody in three sentences describe DA2's plot, and somebody in three sentences describe TW2's plot? The DA side write their 3 sentence narrative summary, and TW2 side write their 3 sentence summary.

[TheMufflon]

Skelter192 wrote...

There are plenty of threads here yet I resist the temptation to post in everyone of them.

Coulda fooled me.