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[KnightofPhoenix]

TheMufflon wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Game of Thrones is the same in that regard. We never see a penis, but we see vaginas. 

Actually, we see several. Penises, that is.

Really? I do not remember a single one.

I know that in Rome we see several penises, apparently one of which was visually enhanced

Can you refresh my memory and tell me about those penises?

[upsettingshorts]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I was not implying that you thought this. "Only you would think that I am talking about you"

Half touche, half "I'm answering on their behalf."

KnightofPhoenix wrote... 

Game of Thrones is the same in that regard. We never see a penis, but we see vaginas.  

Again, it depends.  

But GoT is definitely exploitative, as most genre productions on subscription networks are.  If you want to see a contemporary example of the kind of exploitation I'm talking about, just tune in to Spartacus.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...  

Sadly, it's the case for most media. Including ME1, we get to see female side boob and a shot of an ass, but not the male.

ME1 doesn't really have that much of it though.  It's hardly a trend in that game.

ME2 on the other hand exploits the hell out of half their female characters.

ME3 has an ass shot of Admiral Hackett, after which I lol'd.  But it's mostly the same as ME2.

Dragon Age doesn't really have a lot of this, though.  DAO's absurd sex scenes weren't so much exploitative as they were simply weird and silly.  The female characters with revealing outfits, Isabela and Morrigan, are a good example of the difference between fanservice (Morrigan, lampshaded by Leliana in a banter) and characterization (Isabela is a very sexual character, her clothes are part of this expression).

KnightofPhoenix wrote...  

And yes in that regard I agree, TW2 is exploitative. But it's no where near unique, all Bioware games have it to one degree or another.

The reason I bring it up as a criticism is typically in response to arguments that they do certain things "right."  I don't think that they do.  I don't think it's that simple.

TheMufflon wrote...

I've always liked to explain exploitation film making with a quote that has been attributed to a number of producers of such films: "Yes, but can't they have that conversation in a strip club?".

Heh, good one. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 12 mai 2012 - 10:44 .

[Sajji]

ipgd wrote...

Sajji wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Sajji wrote...

Could somebody in three sentences describe DA2's plot, and somebody in three sentences describe TW2's plot? The DA side write their 3 sentence narrative summary, and TW2 side write their 3 sentence summary.

What would this accomplish, for either side of the argument?

Are you under the influence of drugs?

Insulting me over a video game. Extremely mature.

It wasn't an insult, it was an honest question.

You don't see the benefits of analyzing cohesive summaries?

[Aeowyn]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

TheMufflon wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Game of Thrones is the same in that regard. We never see a penis, but we see vaginas. 

Actually, we see several. Penises, that is.

Really? I do not remember a single one.

I know that in Rome we see several penises, apparently one of which was visually enhanced

Can you refresh my memory and tell me about those penises?

From the top of my head we see Theon's post - sex with Ros and Hodor (Hodor).

[Chromie]

TheMufflon wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

There are plenty of threads here yet I resist the temptation to post in everyone of them.

Coulda fooled me.

Only a handful of threads fooled you?

[ipgd]

Sajji wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Sajji wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Sajji wrote...

Could somebody in three sentences describe DA2's plot, and somebody in three sentences describe TW2's plot? The DA side write their 3 sentence narrative summary, and TW2 side write their 3 sentence summary.

What would this accomplish, for either side of the argument?

Are you under the influence of drugs?

Insulting me over a video game. Extremely mature.

It wasn't an insult, it was an honest question.

You don't see the benefits of analyzing cohesive summaries?

In 3 sentences? No.

[TheMufflon]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Can you refresh my memory and tell me about those penises?

If I had a nickel for everytime I heard that...

Of the top of my head, I remeber seeing Theon's in one of the Winterfell brothel scenes and Hodor's after he's taken a bath.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
ME1 doesn't really have that much of it though.  It's hardly a trend in that game.

The consort sex scene felt somewhat like this, not visually, but how it was done (it came out of nowhere).

And I am tempted to say that the Asari as a whole are exploitative. I mean, space blue lesbians, who are still somehow biologically equipped for penetrative sex (I am starting to sound like Xihilizra however you spell it).

But that's a seperate issue, and it's not that simple. So I won't get into it.

[Get Magna Carter]

I don't think they can top the backlash from ME3

Modifié par Get Magna Carter, 12 mai 2012 - 10:48 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Aeowyn wrote...
From the top of my head we see Theon's post - sex with Ros and Hodor (Hodor).

I really do not remember them.

Hmmm, am I that much of a straight guy that my mind purges all memory of penises?

[Aeowyn]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...
From the top of my head we see Theon's post - sex with Ros and Hodor (Hodor).

I really do not remember them.

Hmmm, am I that much of a straight guy that my mind purges all memory of penises?

Apparently so since Theon's is more of a "glance" while Hodor appears full frontal in daylight yelling "Hodor" and Bran tells him to go get dressed. 

Modifié par Aeowyn, 12 mai 2012 - 10:50 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Aeowyn wrote...
Apparently so since Theon's is more of a "glance" while Hodor appears full frontal in daylight yelling "Hodor" and Bran tells him to go get dressed. 

Wow, I do not remember that scene at all. I don't even remember who Hodor is.

But I google imaged him and saw that he's an ugly guy. His penis doesn't count.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 12 mai 2012 - 10:52 .

[Seagloom]

Also the merchant that tries to poison Dany in season one. Khal Drogo has him bound to a horse naked. His junk is in full view when the Khalasar is riding out of town.

Now to return to my regularly scheduled lurking.

[Sylvianus]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

The scene in ME1, imo, seemed to be a good compromise between the ridiculousness of DA'O's sex and TW2's sex that some might find too much (I don't).

Game of Thrones is the same in that regard. We never see a penis, but we see vaginas. 

Because it appeared as obscene for most medias. The vagina of the woman  always has been seen as something delicate, beautiful, that we can show on TV, ( religious influence? ) while the penis as something savage, too... agressive , that evokes a temperament that could be seen as unhealthy.  It begins to change as well, I see more and more penises in movies.

For example in Spartacus, we do show penises, ass and even gay sex without hesitation.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 12 mai 2012 - 11:04 .

[addiction21]

Seagloom wrote...

Also the merchant that tries to poison Dany in season one. Khal Drogo has him bound to a horse naked. His junk is in full view when the Khalasar is riding out of town.

Now to return to my regularly scheduled lurking.

Was about to mention that.

P.S.
Did you bring the snacks?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Seagloom wrote...

Also the merchant that tries to poison Dany in season one. Khal Drogo has him bound to a horse naked. His junk is in full view when the Khalasar is riding out of town.

Oh that I remember!

...ahem. He's ugly too. And his privates were not shown in a sexual way, contrary to a lot of female vaginas (deliberate redundancy) and boobs.

Well here's to CDPR having some penises in the future.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 12 mai 2012 - 10:57 .

[android654]

I can only remember seeing one penis. That was Theon's, and is was from in between her legs. The nudity that's there isn't gratuitous, so I'd doubt there'd be dicks floppin' around for the fun of it.

[Seagloom]

addiction21 wrote...

Was about to mention that.

P.S.
Did you bring the snacks?

Indeed. Popcorn, with and without butter, chocolates, and assorted candies. Also soda and booze.

[legion999]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...
ME1 doesn't really have that much of it though.  It's hardly a trend in that game.

The consort sex scene felt somewhat like this, not visually, but how it was done (it came out of nowhere).

And I am tempted to say that the Asari as a whole are exploitative. I mean, space blue lesbians, who are still somehow biologically equipped for penetrative sex (I am starting to sound like Xihilizra however you spell it).

But that's a seperate issue, and it's not that simple. So I won't get into it.

Well the Asari are mammals so having a birth canal isn't that unlikely. The fact that there are any aliens that look similar to humans is the suprising thing for me.

Anyway on-topic I doubt many people will buy DA3 and if they do they will know what to expect.

PS I find it rather funny that there are 5.6 boobs per episode in Game of Thrones. It's not that there are boobs but that someone actually counted.

Modifié par legion999, 12 mai 2012 - 11:00 .

[android654]

Seagloom wrote...

Also the merchant that tries to poison Dany in season one. Khal Drogo has him bound to a horse naked. His junk is in full view when the Khalasar is riding out of town.

Now to return to my regularly scheduled lurking.

Oh yeah, the spy. Ok, so two penises.

[Cutlass Jack]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Well here's to CDPR having some penises in the future.

Its kind of fun to see where the Maturity conversation evolved to after wandering away from the forums for a few hours.

Not a criticism. Just entertained.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Well here's to CDPR having some penises in the future.

Its kind of fun to see where the Maturity conversation evolved to after wandering away from the forums for a few hours.

Not a criticism. Just entertained.

Like I said, immaturity can be fun

EDIT: though it is a genuine wish that CDPR improves even further in that regard. What they did with TW2 comapred to TW1 was a huge leap and I hope they will take it further.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 12 mai 2012 - 11:01 .

[slimgrin]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Well here's to CDPR having some penises in the future.

Its kind of fun to see where the Maturity conversation evolved to after wandering away from the forums for a few hours.

Not a criticism. Just entertained.

Dude...seriously?

[ipgd]

legion999 wrote...

Well the Asari are mammals so having a birth canal isn't that unlikely. The fact that there are any aliens that look similar to humans is the suprising thing for me.

Asari have vaginas canonically. They're in the game.

[KnightofPhoenix]

ipgd wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Well the Asari are mammals so having a birth canal isn't that unlikely. The fact that there are any aliens that look similar to humans is the suprising thing for me.

Asari have vaginas canonically. They're in the game.

Are you sure it's not Reaper enhancements?

I mean you never know.