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[KingJason13]

LPPrince wrote...

Yeah, DA2 was the first strike.

ME3 was the second.

All eyes are on the DA team for DA3, which in all honesty should be DAO2 from my standpoint.

Strike three, they're out.

Pretty much my thinking exactly.

...I'll probably watch the Wife play a while, and read all of the reviews, before I purchase DA3, however...

[MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES]

I'M NOT ABOUT TO REVIEW THE GAME BEFORE IT'S EVEN ANNOUNCED. IF THE DRAGON AGE TEAM LISTENS TO THE CRITICISM (PARTICULARLY THE CRITICISM FROM THE GROGNARDS) THEY COULD VERY EASILY TURN THE SERIES AROUND.

[Naughty Bear]

I'll be waiting for reviews from members here. Sure you may exaggerate and be melodramatic, but you people are the only fans who are emotionally invested in Bioware games therefore your opinions are worth more than game reviewing sites.

[Yrkoon]

MingWolf wrote...

I don't think DA3 will be their biggest backlash, for the simple reason that I don't think it's going to sell nearly as well as it's predecessors after what happened in DA2, 

This.

You need significant popularity to generate big backlash.   So unless DA3 is something incredibly special, there's no reason  think it'll come and go with anything more than a whimper.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 11 mai 2012 - 07:10 .

[Naughty Bear]

greengoron89 wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

I'll be waiting for reviews from members here. Sure you may exaggerate and be melodramatic, but you people are the only fans who are emotionally invested in Bioware games therefore your opinions are worth more than game reviewing sites.

Agreed. I made the mistake of not listening to the people here before - it's not one I aim to repeat.

Gaming sites are easily bribed and manipulated, i never trusted them in the first place but i alsomade the mistake if not listening to the fans here. Pinnacle Station.

That is the last mistake i shall ever make when it comes to believing the fans or the review sites. I will also be cautious when it comes to Bioware making promises as well, disappointment is hard to remove.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 11 mai 2012 - 07:00 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

LPPrince wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Personally, I'm hoping that Bioware has learned from their recent missteps, and avoids making the mistakes they have recently.

I hope the same, but I don't believe anything will change.

The days of ME1's and DAO's are long gone, and Bioware's new style just isn't my thing.

Skyrim, on the other hand. WHEW. YES. GIMME MOAR.

I was so blown away by it that I might actually give the next Fallout game a chance.

Go Bethesda.

Put it this way-

Bioware's direction- RMS Titanic
Bethesda's direction- RMS Carpathia

My only hope being that a German Submarine doesn't sink Bethesda.

So Skyrim's one ending, almost linear plot, lack of consequences and the ability to master everything and every guild in one playthrough was a good thing? Skyrim doesn't represent a traditional RPG anymore than Dragon Age 2 does. Both games are action-RPG's which have strived from their roots to appeal to the casual crowd.

The Witcher 2 and Dark Souls however are both recent RPG's which feel like traditional RPG's and yet unique and innovative in gameplay at the same time. They have the essence of a traditional RPG and the combat of an action RPG.

I enjoyed Skyrim tremendously.

I did not enjoy Dragon Age 2 tremendously.

That's the short of it.

You may have enjoyed Skyrim but the TES series is hardly progressing into better territory. The TES series has progressed from statistic based RPG with consequences that last forever to action-RPG where there's no such thing as consequences. Don't get me started about the bugs...

[Yrkoon]

Wait, forgive me if I mis-clicked. Is this the Skyrim thread?

Modifié par Yrkoon, 11 mai 2012 - 08:26 .

[termokanden]

I didn't hate DA2, but I lost interest in the series when I played it. It's going to take serious back-to-the-roots effort to win me back, and I don't even think that's what they want anyway.

I'd rather play my Malkavian for the billionth time. Now, will someone PLEASE pass me the salt for my rodent feast!

Modifié par termokanden, 11 mai 2012 - 08:32 .

[John Epler]

MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES wrote...

I'M NOT ABOUT TO REVIEW THE GAME BEFORE IT'S EVEN ANNOUNCED. IF THE DRAGON AGE TEAM LISTENS TO THE CRITICISM (PARTICULARLY THE CRITICISM FROM THE GROGNARDS) THEY COULD VERY EASILY TURN THE SERIES AROUND.

Which is a rather sensible atittude to take, all around.

If people aren't happy with the direction of any of our products, I recommend they make their voices heard and refrain from buying it until they've heard reviews from trusted sources. That's your right and responsibility as a consumer, after all.

On a side note, yours is my favourite gimmick account on the forums. Just saying.

[Cutlass Jack]

If the past has taught us nothing, people here will rage on a level scarcely imagined...no matter how good or bad the product actually is, or whether or not they have actually played it.

Because on BSN thats how we roll.

[upsettingshorts]

I hope DA3 shakes the lot of you loose.

The self-anointed "real fans" aren't a foundation, they're an albatross.

Thankfully, I'm pretty sure the folks at BioWare are making the games they want to and aren't concerned with placating the great hand-wringing masses with half-measures and cheap compromises that would be scoffed at by the very people they are meant to please.

Sadly though a lot of those folks are the same people who equate intentional design decisions they don't like with unfortunate and unplanned quick-fixes so they probably think I'm defending DA2's encounter design or repeated environments or something.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 mai 2012 - 08:46 .

[Maria Caliban]

KingJason13 wrote...

With the direction EA/Bioware have been heading over their last several games, I fully expect the DA3 sh*tstorm to be as large as the DA2 storm AND ME3 storm COMBINED!!!

Am I wrong?

Yes.

[KingJason13]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

If the past has taught us nothing, people here will rage on a level scarcely imagined...no matter how good or bad the product actually is, or whether or not they have actually played it.

Because on BSN thats how we roll.

I solemnly VOW to play the game before I rage!

[Rinji the Bearded]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I hope DA3 shakes the lot of you loose.

The self-anointed "real fans" aren't a foundation, they're an albatross.

Thankfully, I'm pretty sure the folks at BioWare are making the games they want to and aren't concerned with placating the great hand-wringing masses with half-measures and cheap compromises that would be scoffed at by the very people they are meant to please.

Sadly though a lot of those folks are the same people who equate intentional design decisions they don't like with unfortunate and unplanned quick-fixes so they probably think I'm defending DA2's encounter design or repeated environments or something.

Quoted for truth.

But unfortunately I think the "real fans" will never be shaken off, as they will continue to hound these forums with their invented "truths" about the gaming industry and convince everyone that their grognard ways are superior and that taking a step back is taking a step forward (or just standing in place).

I hope the devs aren't convinced by these kinds of people, either, and continue doing what they would like to do.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 11 mai 2012 - 08:51 .

[rolson00]

John Epler wrote...

MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES wrote...

I'M NOT ABOUT TO REVIEW THE GAME BEFORE IT'S EVEN ANNOUNCED. IF THE DRAGON AGE TEAM LISTENS TO THE CRITICISM (PARTICULARLY THE CRITICISM FROM THE GROGNARDS) THEY COULD VERY EASILY TURN THE SERIES AROUND.

Which is a rather sensible atittude to take, all around.

If people aren't happy with the direction of any of our products, I recommend they make their voices heard and refrain from buying it until they've heard reviews from trusted sources. That's your right and responsibility as a consumer, after all.

On a side note, yours is my favourite gimmick account on the forums. Just saying.

i disagree John im going to rage and flame even tho i know nothing , zilch about it what so ever:wizard:

[KingJason13]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I hope DA3 shakes the lot of you loose.

The self-anointed "real fans" aren't a foundation, they're an albatross.

Thankfully, I'm pretty sure the folks at BioWare are making the games they want to and aren't concerned with placating the great hand-wringing masses with half-measures and cheap compromises that would be scoffed at by the very people they are meant to please.

Sadly though a lot of those folks are the same people who equate intentional design decisions they don't like with unfortunate and unplanned quick-fixes so they probably think I'm defending DA2's encounter design or repeated environments or something.

Aren't you defending them? I mean... you're acting like people who have paid for, yet disliked, DA2 aren't allowed to have an opinion... AND isn't one of the main arguments against DA2 the fact that Bioware WAS "playcating" to a certain crowd of people, just not their regular customers?

Mindlessly defending Bioware is of as little value to them as mindlessly bashing them is...

Modifié par KingJason13, 11 mai 2012 - 08:58 .

[upsettingshorts]

I should clarify. I did not intend for my post to be essentially mean-spirited. However, it seems evidently clear to me that there are a great many posters here (and elsewhere) who should have realized by now that BioWare is no longer making games for them. Perhaps, in some cases, they never actually were and any enjoyment of them was but a happy coincidence.

The sooner these people come to this realization and move on, the better for all parties involved.

[Chromie]

Maria Caliban wrote...

KingJason13 wrote...

With the direction EA/Bioware have been heading over their last several games, I fully expect the DA3 sh*tstorm to be as large as the DA2 storm AND ME3 storm COMBINED!!!

Am I wrong?

No.

Fixed.

[termokanden]

I'd post about why I think DA2 has moved in the wrong direction but... It's been said and ignored. I'll just be labeled a "real fan" anyway by people thinking I just want a BG remake.

It's possible to earn a certain amount of trust by producing consistently good games. Maybe that's stupid. Ultimately I didn't regret buying either DA2 or ME3 as I've had fun with both, but I still feel that we're going in the wrong direction and that I won't be preordering next time. It's not personal.

[KingJason13]

termokanden wrote...

I'd post about why I think DA2 has moved in the wrong direction but... It's been said and ignored. I'll just be labeled a "real fan" anyway by people thinking I just want a BG remake.

It's possible to earn a certain amount of trust by producing consistently good games. Maybe that's stupid. Ultimately I didn't regret buying either DA2 or ME3 as I've had fun with both, but I still feel that we're going in the wrong direction and that I won't be preordering next time. It's not personal.

Well put.

[upsettingshorts]

KingJason13 wrote...

Aren't you defending them? I mean... you're acting like people who have paid for, yet disliked, DA2 aren't allowed to have an opinion... AND isn't one of the main arguments against DA2 the fact that Bioware WAS "playcating" to a certain crowd of people, just not their regular customers?

Mindlessly defending Bioware is of as little value to them as mindless bashing is...

It depends what we're talking about.  I'll defend cinematics and the voiced protagonist, sure.  Would I defend the encounter design?  No, I'm one of its biggest critics.  However, most of my problems with DA2 were very likely the result of the short development window and lack of polish, not intentional designs that are likely to repeat themselves in future installments.

I've also - at tedious length - argued against that interpretation, that BioWare's direction has changed dramatically to placate a certain crowd, and I don't really want to hijack this thread with yet another explanation of it.  The short version is that for some old fans, the changes BioWare has been going through are natural progressions, and for other old fans they're a betrayal.  My position is that since they are both regular customers, any pretension to "real fannery" is nonsense.  Put another way, until DA2 and ME1, there had always been two ways to play a BioWare game.  Now, there is only one.  It just happens to be compatible with the one I've been employing since BG1.  It's not the same for everybody.

My defense of BioWare is not mindless, it has a reasonable and clear justification.  When people attack BioWare for doing things I like they are by implication also attacking me and my preferences.  Often, this goes beyond implication and into explicit ad hominem.

Needless to say, this is not my first rodeo.

termokanden wrote...

I'd post about why I think DA2 has moved in the wrong direction but... It's been said and ignored. I'll just be labeled a "real fan" anyway by people thinking I just want a BG remake.

Ignored by others, but perhaps not by me.  I've drawn an explicit distinction between people who want BG remakes and other critics before. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 mai 2012 - 09:16 .

[upsettingshorts]

greengoron89 wrote...

Ouch, those two posts about as bitter and condescending as I've ever seen - even more so than self-anointed real fans. Not sure that does much to help... whatever message it was you were trying to get across.

The message was:

For whatever reason, BioWare no-longer makes games for you.  Stop taking it so personally, just move on.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 mai 2012 - 09:12 .