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[Yrkoon]

Addai67 wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

The fact that these women are sexual, and that that is showed in the game, is completely irrelevant.

...said the fermale gamer.


Guys tend to think differenty

You mean to tell me that if a man sees a woman's ****** then nothing else about her exists- that all her qualities, good and bad- her entire life experience, and any other interaction they might have, is reduced to two headlights. She doesn't exist as a person.

This discussion itself is more puerile than anything in any game I've ever played.  And I'm still not sure what your point is.

Say what?

No, I'm pretty sure that I mean to tell you that the  Witcher 2 oozes erotic from beginning to end, and that pretending 1) that  this wasn't the specific design intention, and 2) that such a thing is irrelevant, is about the biggest example of willful denial there can ever be.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 13 mai 2012 - 06:44 .

[addiction21]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I have absolutely no ****ing idea what's being discussed right now. I came into this thread expecting one thing and found a discussion that really made me stare at my screen and blink like crazy.

Have some of the popcorn, chocolate and booze. They make everything better.

[Esbatty]

I'm here to flail wildly and chew bubblegum... and I'm all out of meds.

[Addai]

Yrkoon wrote...
No, I'm pretty sure that I mean to tell you that the  Witcher 2 oozes erotic from beginning to end, and that pretending 1) that  this wasn't the specific design intention, and 2) that such a thing is irrelevant, is about the biggest example of willful denial there can ever be.

Did someone say otherwise?  Though I do think it's pretty irrelevant.

[Maria Caliban]

Yrkoon wrote...

No, I'm pretty sure that I mean to tell you that the  Witcher 2 oozes erotic from beginning to end, and that pretending 1) that  this wasn't the specific design intention, and 2) that such a thing is irrelevant, is about the biggest example of willful denial there can ever be.

So what you're saying is that you agree with the people you've been arguing with?

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Great job everyone, wasting 22 pages and hours of your life in this topic.

Well, if Witcher games have forced seksual scenes, I prefer not to get it.

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Also forget about these scenes, what is so great about Witcher 1 and 2?

Modifié par Imperial Sentinel Arian, 13 mai 2012 - 10:10 .

[bEVEsthda]

If one is getting paid (or doing it for twisted personal reasons) to derail threads like this, this thread teaches us the importance and effectiveness of identifying and choosing the right opponents. This lesson is worth mulling over for awhile.

And no, DA3 will not be a backlash. The setting is all wrong for that. It will be a slow, tentative seller though, that has to build from its own merits. Somehow marketing has to figure in that. For many reasons, the marketing of DA3 should be interesting to follow.

[Tirigon]

KingJason13 wrote...

With the direction EA/Bioware have been heading over their last several games, I fully expect the DA3 sh*tstorm to be as large as the DA2 storm AND ME3 storm COMBINED!!!

Am I wrong?

Is there hope?

I assume you are wrong. Outrages over video games are caused by disappointed expectations; as such, there cant be one if you already expect the worst, which is the case for DA3.

[Dreadstruck]

Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...
Well, if Witcher games have forced seksual scenes, I prefer not to get it.

It does not. Sexual encounters are completely optional, apart from the one at the beginning of the game where you wake up next to your lover.
So don't get your panties on fire, that is all.

Also forget about these scenes, what is so great about Witcher 1 and 2?

The writing, the characters, the narrative, the branching storyline, the choices and consequences....

Also, I've noticed that some people who are hellbent opposed to the game are only capable of spewing out some dribble about "sex" while ignoring the rest, which is pretty much everything they have.

I am not pointing on anyone right now in this thread. Just a little obersvation I did from past pre and post Witcher 2 threads.

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 13 mai 2012 - 12:02 .

[Seboist]

Tirigon wrote...

KingJason13 wrote...

With the direction EA/Bioware have been heading over their last several games, I fully expect the DA3 sh*tstorm to be as large as the DA2 storm AND ME3 storm COMBINED!!!

Am I wrong?

Is there hope?

I assume you are wrong. Outrages over video games are caused by disappointed expectations; as such, there cant be one if you already expect the worst, which is the case for DA3.

I dunno, I had low expectations for ME3 and it turned out to be far worse than I could have imagined. Thankfully I was never too fond of DA:O's story so DA2's crappiness didn't phase me much.

[Tirigon]

Seboist wrote...

I dunno, I had low expectations for ME3 and it turned out to be far worse than I could have imagined. Thankfully I was never too fond of DA:O's story so DA2's crappiness didn't phase me much.

I actually had the same experience with ME3s ending - but that was only because up to then, ME3 was much better than I expected.

[Tirigon]

Avalla'ch wrote...

Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...
Well, if Witcher games have forced seksual scenes, I prefer not to get it.

It does not. Sexual encounters are completely optional, apart from the one at the beginning of the game where you wake up next to your lover.
So don't get your panties on fire, that is all.

Actually, even that is optional as far as I know. I believe you can choose to start your story at a later point.

[Dreadstruck]

Tirigon wrote...
Actually, even that is optional as far as I know. I believe you can choose to start your story at a later point.

Aaaah, right. Completely forgot about the Roche interrogation and selectable intro chapters. Thanks!

[Fast Jimmy]

Tirigon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

I dunno, I had low expectations for ME3 and it turned out to be far worse than I could have imagined. Thankfully I was never too fond of DA:O's story so DA2's crappiness didn't phase me much.

I actually had the same experience with ME3s ending - but that was only because up to then, ME3 was much better than I expected.

This is pretty much why the ME3 endings are the biggest backlash that EA/Bioware can expect for a game. DA3, if it is exceptionally disappointing, will still only be disappointing with a new protagonist, new setting and new companions and characters. ME3 took all the experiences, friends, memoiries and choices made over 150+ hours of previous games and sent it straight down the crapper.



The only EA/Bioware can ever get that level of backlaash again is to begin a story-based trilogy revolving around the same main character, have the first two games be wildly succesful, then botch the last fifteen minutes of the whole experience.


I think a more relevant question to ask is this: if DA3 tanks and disappoints everyone, will it be the last ride of the EA/Bioware train? And to that, I say an unequivocable - HECK YES.

And, believe it or not, this may be the best thing for DA fans. ME's trilogy is done, and with this huge hit to consumer confidence they likely won't continue anything like an ME4 or ME MMO anytime soon. Similarly, TOR is seeing drops in players know that the free trials are up and people are having to actually pay. So if DA is the last franchise standing that EA/Bioware can hang their collective income on, then they might... they MIGHT... actually do a really good job with it. Call me crazy.

[The Jackal]

Anyone with common sense know's about the firestrom that Mass Effect 3 ending, before they altered the ending it had raised pentions online. A gamer I read on yahoo.com, even complained the FTC(Federal Trade Commison) it got issues in high profile magazines such as forbes.

http://www.forbes.co...letter-tsunami/

This is the headline from this magazine.
'Mass Effect 3' Ending Protests Continue With 'Operation Letter Tsunami'Meanwhile the protests have been taking MONTHS to read the point to warrent attention. In short all that negative publicity leading up to forcing their hand from the "sending cupcakes"

http://www.forbes.co...kes-to-bioware/


It's pretty obvious they had day ONE DLC ready and eager to string the DLC the same way they did with Orgins. However the game had mixed review's. In some magazine's on xbox you would see it score a near perfect, while other magazine's would score it poorly.

Not all fans but alot were discouraged by the lack of maps. Compared to Orgins, you really only had three maps and they weren't even that open. The wheel was created and some combat improved. Yet at what cost? instead of everyone agreeing it's a great game. Mixed community because they wanted to reach a "more larger pool of gamers"

Dragon Age didn't have quite as well impact as Mass Effect. Some gamers loved it, some hated it. But the negative pulse was there and very vocal about changes. Now on to Star Wars subs numbers.

It's no secert the game sold over 2 million but only 1.3 are playing? it's plagued with problems like too many server's/bugs/downtimes/ while EA has said they could enough subs to become profitable. It's no where near 10 million mark to take from Blizzard and even not what some EA stock holder's thought it would be.

In Summary

If the next up and coming title doesn't hit it out of the ball park. It would be reasonable to assume and even logical that this is the start of a pattern. Before DA2. I could not tell you I single game that did not do well. Or the number of times I bragged on forums about the success of bioware.

Now with all the negative publicty from three games different aspects of it. I would hope their team is honest about the game and what it plans to include. Instead of giving us a demo a month before it's supposed to release and only showing us the good parts.

[Eternal Phoenix]

greengoron89 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

If I could only CARE about Skyrim's characters....then I might be bothered. But I haven't cared about TES characters since Morrowind. They are just props now.

To be fair, DA:O has cannibalism in it as well (implied, and none that you can participate in yourself, but still) - I was just countering Elton's "point" about Skyrim not having any extreme violence or brutality compared to DA:O.

Also, I was far more sympathetic towards Hespith than Brother Verulus - with Skyrim, I was more hung up on the evilness of the act itself and not who it was being done to.

You weren't really countering my point. I never denied that Skyrim didn't have any violence or brutality just like I didn't deny like LOTR didn't. However seeing your PC in Skyrim move his hand onto a dead NPC and pretend to eat something isn't what I would considered dark or horrific.

Dragon Age: Origins was dark when you considered the plot, dialogue, overrall atmosphere and character fates. I mean most of the characters with you can end up being killed after trying to betray you. You can betray several of them and even turn over Alistair to be executed and the game can end with your character dying or surviving after performing the dark ritual with Morrigan.

I was simply arguing against those saying that Origins was high fantasy and nothing more. It's dark high fantasy. Dragons and magics don't necessarily have to be absent from a dark fantasy otherwise that means that both Dark Souls and The Witcher 2 aren't really dark fantasy either because both have dragons and magic. 

I mean consider your PC's origin, their fate and the whole joining. It's kinda of different from Skyrim's "YOU ARE GOD. NO ONE CAN STAND AGAINST YOU! GO FORTH AND DO WHAT YOU WANT!" generic story which is just a copy and paste of previous TES games.

[In Exile]

Jestina wrote...
I would say most of the blame is with EA though. EA's market is the casual audience and this is what Bioware has been shifted towards. The problem is that Bioware's fanbase was built on solid, mainly single player RPG's and they've been chasing them off in droves with the recent products.

Bioware's always been about chasing the casual audience. It's just that the previous VG era's casuals are today's hardcore.

When BG-BGII came, Bioware chose the D&D ruleset, i.e. the most causal/trashy of the P&Ps. When they made KoTOR, it was simplified console mechanics, cinematics and Star Wars. When they made JE, it was twitch action combat, no equipment, and 1 follower you don't control. Mass Effect 1 was a shooter/RPG hybrid with (all things considered) bad gameplay.

The only game you can argue wasn't made with the most casual audience in mind for its generation was DA:O, and that game was (mechanically speaking) way more the successor of KoTOR than BG-BGII.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

OK, interesting.

Now it's time to attend to 'Fruit' topic for the sake of happiness! lol

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Someday, I want the games people talk about at work to be BioWare games. I hear about the FPS soldiering games to the point where I'm going to buy one of the Black Ops games. I hear about Angry Birds style game, and I hear about GTA when those games are new and I'm still hearing abour RDR, long after release. DAO, ME1... never, ever, ever going to generate as much interest as the FPS soldering games, or GTA/RDR games. But ME3 and ME2? DA2? Those are really solid steps toward presenting a game that I might hear my co-workers and my friend's friends talking about. If it takes a couple tearstorms to get to the place where RPGs are of interest to regular players, than so be it. Bring on the tears.

[Seboist]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

I dunno, I had low expectations for ME3 and it turned out to be far worse than I could have imagined. Thankfully I was never too fond of DA:O's story so DA2's crappiness didn't phase me much.

I actually had the same experience with ME3s ending - but that was only because up to then, ME3 was much better than I expected.

This is pretty much why the ME3 endings are the biggest backlash that EA/Bioware can expect for a game. DA3, if it is exceptionally disappointing, will still only be disappointing with a new protagonist, new setting and new companions and characters. ME3 took all the experiences, friends, memoiries and choices made over 150+ hours of previous games and sent it straight down the crapper.



The only EA/Bioware can ever get that level of backlaash again is to begin a story-based trilogy revolving around the same main character, have the first two games be wildly succesful, then botch the last fifteen minutes of the whole experience.


I think a more relevant question to ask is this: if DA3 tanks and disappoints everyone, will it be the last ride of the EA/Bioware train? And to that, I say an unequivocable - HECK YES.

And, believe it or not, this may be the best thing for DA fans. ME's trilogy is done, and with this huge hit to consumer confidence they likely won't continue anything like an ME4 or ME MMO anytime soon. Similarly, TOR is seeing drops in players know that the free trials are up and people are having to actually pay. So if DA is the last franchise standing that EA/Bioware can hang their collective income on, then they might... they MIGHT... actually do a really good job with it. Call me crazy.

That's far from the truth. the ME series always suffered from an appaling lack of planning and cohesion that made it a poorly slapped together mess of semi-reboots and the third game's plot was broken the moment it revolved around an ill-convieved deus ex machina plot and a retconned Cerberus Sith Empire that overshadows the main antagonists.

Seriously, when you have a series like Blazblue from a genre like the fighting one that's known for it's slapped together plots that serve as a simple excuse for it's characters to beat each other having a more cohesive and better planned story that spans across several games than a reputated RPG developer and it's "professional" writing team then you know something is up. Not to mention the previously mentioned atrocious deux ex machina plot that makes plots from the 16 bit console era look like literally masterpieces.

Long story short, Bioware's reputed "quality writing" is a complete farce.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Seboist wrote...

Long story short, Bioware's reputed "quality writing" is a complete farce.

You obviously just don't understand the story, brah.  Grab a brew and relax, mang!

[TheBlackBaron]

Well, this thread has gone interesting places in 48 hours.