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[Xellith]

I just had the horrible feeling that the EC VA are going to extend the "hologram conversation" bit at the end... and thats it... /wrist /wrist

[freler31]

Kunari801 wrote...

Was the new voice work for the EC?  I didn't see that confirmed, it could be for other DLC.  

Just what I was about to ask actually, I haven't seen any confirmation that it is related to the EC. From what I read voice acting typically happens pretty early. The Extended Cut could be pretty much wrapped up for all we know and the next DLC being started on. 

EDIT: 

ShepnTali wrote...

It was confirmed for EC via twitter

 

Ah, happen to have a link by any chance?

Modifié par freler31, 11 mai 2012 - 09:13 .

[Shatterhand1701]

I'm getting to a point with the whole ending/EC thing where I just don't care anymore, not because I'm sure that Bioware won't make the ending any easier to swallow, but because no matter what they do, there are still going to be a staggering number of threads on these forums full of butt-hurt about it, including these classics:

1. A screed about how "Bioware has let us down yet again"
2. People saying "Goodbye, Bioware" even though they stick around for 11 pages of posts to explain why they're leaving, which negates the entire point of their thread
3. A call-to-action urging people to boycott all Bioware products, present and future (and probably past, if they could actually achieve it)
4. A small group of people who actually liked the EC, at which those who don't will tear them to shreds because f*ck them for having a differing opinion!
5. Some attempt to prove or disprove the Indoctrination Theory from the content of the EC, and all the ways everyone is either undeniably right or absolutely wrong about it

There will be no happiness to be had anywhere because people have it set in their mind that it has to be one way or no way.

If you think I'm wrong, just wait until when this EC comes out, or just look back at all the threads that came out after the endings, or even after the PAX announcement.

[Taboo]

freler31 wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Was the new voice work for the EC?  I didn't see that confirmed, it could be for other DLC.  

Just what I was about to ask actually, I haven't seen any confirmation that it is related to the EC. From what I read voice acting typically happens pretty early. The Extended Cut could be pretty much wrapped up for all we know and the next DLC being started on. 

No. They started production about a week ago.

They had been working on it for many, many days before hand.

[Thorn Harvestar]

freler31 wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Was the new voice work for the EC?  I didn't see that confirmed, it could be for other DLC.  

Just what I was about to ask actually, I haven't seen any confirmation that it is related to the EC. From what I read voice acting typically happens pretty early. The Extended Cut could be pretty much wrapped up for all we know and the next DLC being started on. 

Gamble deleted his tweet (likely after being barraged with questions). Link of a screencap is in my thread here:
 http://social.biowar.../index/11895309 

[dreamgazer]

frostajulie wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

They're watching... but they aren't listening.   Thousands of posts and reasons why and they still don't seem to get it.  




All that effort and sacrifice to save the Galaxy and people Shepard loves is all for naught.  No matter the choice, we destroy it!  Shepard must pick a war crime to "win" the war and in so doing destroy everything he loves and fought for. 

This is not victory, it is defeat.   Shepard doesn't go out like a hero but a war criminal. 

We get the endings BW.  We care more about the ME Universe --and those who inhabit that virtual world-- than apparently you do.  

This is the part where Bioware sees this and should fall to their knees screaming because at last they see the truth.  Then they fix what they messed up because they have an obligation to their own artistic creation to end a hero's journey heroically

Man, I had no idea that every single hero performed their heroic deeds with absolutely no blood on their hands and no hard decisions to make. 

[ShepnTali]

Xellith wrote...

I just had the horrible feeling that the EC VA are going to extend the "hologram conversation" bit at the end... and thats it... /wrist /wrist

That would be cow poo.

[Segameister]

d1ta wrote...

I wish my heart would just let me give up Bioware for good.. But with this EC going on, it feels like constantly being pit between 2 opposing emotions: one is being HOPE that EC's going to be good and the other is FEAR that the EC will hurt me more.

My feelings exactly!  It's like we're in a bad relationship and we don't know whether we should get out of it.

[Omega Torsk]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The implications are beginning to form in my head.

I HAVE seen this before.

But I can't be certain until the EC is released.

I can't possibly see how it could get any worse. Not with the amount of eyes currently on the devs.

Concerning Priestly's question, I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that it's PR prep for post-release of the EC. The ME team wants to get all of their ducks in a row, this time.

They've had two months to get a clear image of what people "want." I believe the final draft has been penned, VA's have been recorded, and now they're working on polishing the content and implementing it into the game. We'll probably get an ETA come E3.

OP, your fears aren't unfounded. While I still don't understand the latent fear you're harboring, I'm going to hold onto my fool's hope that the ME devs genuinely care about fan feedback, the EC will be some kind of reflection of that, and that the current ending was a tragic mistake originating from a fast-approaching deadline and an unchecked Hudson.

That's all I can really do at this point... I'm getting tired of voicing my criticisms to a brick wall.

Really? I hope you're in a padded room when the EC comes.out....They're Not Changing Anything.....as was reiterated on the Retake homepage last night......

Yeah, they keep saying that, but I don't think they fully grasp that giving us something that wasn't there before is changing the ending, regardless. Whether it's adding new things to the current ending or expanding on what's currently in the ending, change happens.

The only thing I pull from the "we're not changing the ending" statements is that they're not cutting things (like StarBrat) out and putting something else in.

Modifié par Omega Torsk, 11 mai 2012 - 09:14 .

[Taboo]

dreamgazer wrote...

Man, I had no idea that every single hero performed their heroic deeds with absolutely no blood on their hands and no hard decisions to make. 

You have responded to hyperbole with hyperbole.

Disingenious.

[incinerator950]

Cool story

[Atakuma]

Nemesis1812 wrote...

M8DMAN wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

It's rather sad to see how Bioware standing by their work is somehow seen as them being either delusional, or arrogant.

Why do you think that? There's nothing admirable about being pig-headed. I've a lot more respect for people who admit their mistakes, or are at least able to offer a good enough explanation as to what they were doing that I can at least respectfully disagree.

I agree. Bioware should have done the admirable thing and admited that the ending was a mistake. But no, they decided to stand by their "artistic vison".

And we all suffered for it.

When someone reaches a certain level of arrogance, it becomes impossible and unfathomable to admit fault.

Although, as Taboo-XX has stated, the EC is a partial admission of guilt, albeit a half-hearted one.

The only arrogance on display here is you implying that your subjective opinion is somehow an objective truth. Bioware don't believe what they did was a mistake, if they did, then they would just change the endings instead of what they are currently doing. 

Modifié par Atakuma, 11 mai 2012 - 09:15 .

[dreamgazer]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

I'm getting to a point with the whole ending/EC thing where I just don't care anymore, not because I'm sure that Bioware won't make the ending any easier to swallow, but because no matter what they do, there are still going to be a staggering number of threads on these forums full of butt-hurt about it, including these classics:

1. A screed about how "Bioware has let us down yet again"
2. People saying "Goodbye, Bioware" even though they stick around for 11 pages of posts to explain why they're leaving, which negates the entire point of their thread
3. A call-to-action urging people to boycott all Bioware products, present and future (and probably past, if they could actually achieve it)
4. A small group of people who actually liked the EC, at which those who don't will tear them to shreds because f*ck them for having a differing opinion!
5. Some attempt to prove or disprove the Indoctrination Theory from the content of the EC, and all the ways everyone is either undeniably right or absolutely wrong about it

There will be no happiness to be had anywhere because people have it set in their mind that it has to be one way or no way.

If you think I'm wrong, just wait until when this EC comes out, or just look back at all the threads that came out after the endings, or even after the PAX announcement.

I agree with your sentiment, but I won't let that demoralize me or my anticipation over the EC.  As I stated, I'm not a "pro-ender" myself---I have issues with the execution, coherence, and cryptic nature of the last moments, even though I consider the whole game to be "the end of the journey"---but I am willing to give a company the benefit of the doubt when they're cranking out substantial content au gratis.  

[freler31]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Gamble deleted his tweet (likely after being barraged with questions). Link of a screencap is in my thread here:
 http://social.biowar.../index/11895309 

Thanks. 

[Mcfly616]

freler31 wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Was the new voice work for the EC?  I didn't see that confirmed, it could be for other DLC.  

Just what I was about to ask actually, I haven't seen any confirmation that it is related to the EC. From what I read voice acting typically happens pretty early. The Extended Cut could be pretty much wrapped up for all we know and the next DLC being started on. 

EDIT: 

ShepnTali wrote...

It was confirmed for EC via twitter

 

Ah, happen to have a link by any chance?

Just go to any VAs Twitter or Facebook page, and use common sense.....there's your EC confirmation....

[Tazzmission]

so wheres this announcment that hulick stated was comming?

[dreamgazer]

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Man, I had no idea that every single hero performed their heroic deeds with absolutely no blood on their hands and no hard decisions to make. 

You have responded to hyperbole with hyperbole.

It gets to that point sometimes trying to discuss it, unfortunately.  And it's true: the argument states that you can't appear to be a hero if you make any of those choices, and that's very patently false.   You can, and do, appear heroic by what you choose, and the path you've traveled to get there.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 11 mai 2012 - 09:23 .

[Omega Torsk]

Xellith wrote...

I just had the horrible feeling that the EC VA are going to extend the "hologram conversation" bit at the end... and thats it... /wrist /wrist

The only thing that keeps me from believing this is that I can't believe that it would take them 2+ months of work to deliver on just that...

Modifié par Omega Torsk, 11 mai 2012 - 09:19 .

[Tazzmission]

Omega Torsk wrote...

Xellith wrote...

I just had the horrible feeling that the EC VA are going to extend the "hologram conversation" bit at the end... and thats it... /wrist /wrist

The only thing that keeps me from believing this is that I can't believe that it would take them 3+ months to deliver on just that...

you know i actually havent thought of that tbh

but i dont think thatll be the case because if it was i think id have to agree that would be pretty bogus on there part and thats coming from someone who likes me3 the way it is

[Thorn Harvestar]

Taboo-XX wrote...

freler31 wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Was the new voice work for the EC?  I didn't see that confirmed, it could be for other DLC.  

Just what I was about to ask actually, I haven't seen any confirmation that it is related to the EC. From what I read voice acting typically happens pretty early. The Extended Cut could be pretty much wrapped up for all we know and the next DLC being started on. 

No. They started production about a week ago.

They had been working on it for many, many days before hand.

Bioware has also stated how they record dialogue early in the process so they can plan out scenes and stuff, IIRC

[Thorn Harvestar]

Tazzmission wrote...

so wheres this announcment that hulick stated was comming?

Hulick's announcement was that he is doing the music for the next Baldur's Gate game.

[Navasha]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

I'm getting to a point with the whole ending/EC thing where I just don't care anymore, not because I'm sure that Bioware won't make the ending any easier to swallow, but because no matter what they do, there are still going to be a staggering number of threads on these forums full of butt-hurt about it, including these classics:

1. A screed about how "Bioware has let us down yet again"
2. People saying "Goodbye, Bioware" even though they stick around for 11 pages of posts to explain why they're leaving, which negates the entire point of their thread
3. A call-to-action urging people to boycott all Bioware products, present and future (and probably past, if they could actually achieve it)
4. A small group of people who actually liked the EC, at which those who don't will tear them to shreds because f*ck them for having a differing opinion!
5. Some attempt to prove or disprove the Indoctrination Theory from the content of the EC, and all the ways everyone is either undeniably right or absolutely wrong about it

There will be no happiness to be had anywhere because people have it set in their mind that it has to be one way or no way.

If you think I'm wrong, just wait until when this EC comes out, or just look back at all the threads that came out after the endings, or even after the PAX announcement.

This pretty much sums up my feelings as of late as well.  

[Shatterhand1701]

Omega Torsk wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The implications are beginning to form in my head.

I HAVE seen this before.

But I can't be certain until the EC is released.

I can't possibly see how it could get any worse. Not with the amount of eyes currently on the devs.

Concerning Priestly's question, I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that it's PR prep for post-release of the EC. The ME team wants to get all of their ducks in a row, this time.

They've had two months to get a clear image of what people "want." I believe the final draft has been penned, VA's have been recorded, and now they're working on polishing the content and implementing it into the game. We'll probably get an ETA come E3.

OP, your fears aren't unfounded. While I still don't understand the latent fear you're harboring, I'm going to hold onto my fool's hope that the ME devs genuinely care about fan feedback, the EC will be some kind of reflection of that, and that the current ending was a tragic mistake originating from a fast-approaching deadline and an unchecked Hudson.

That's all I can really do at this point... I'm getting tired of voicing my criticisms to a brick wall.

Really? I hope you're in a padded room when the EC comes.out....They're Not Changing Anything.....as was reiterated on the Retake homepage last night......

Yeah, they keep saying that, but I don't think they fully grasp that giving us something that wasn't there before is changing the ending, regardless. Whether it's adding new things to the current ending or expanding on what's currently in the ending, change happens.

The only thing I pull from the "we're not changing the ending" statements is that they're not cutting things (like StarBrat) out and putting something else in.

Well, they have to say "We're not changing anything" because many people want them to completely redo the ending, as in, everything from the final charge in London onward.  No Kid-as-Catalyst, no A-B-or-C decisions, no mass-relay destruction, no Joker's Island, and no "Tell me about the Shepard"...that's what some people expect/want.  That's exactly what we're NOT going to get, and people just can't seem to understand or accept that, mainly because they just choose not to.  The statements made by Bioware imply that all of that is going to stay right where it is.  Allegedly, we're getting material between or following those story elements that either clarify the logic of those events and possibly the after-effects of Shepard's choices.  Quite the Herculean effort, if you ask me.

Modifié par Shatterhand1701, 11 mai 2012 - 09:23 .

[frylock23]

Atakuma wrote...

You misunderstand me. I am in no way defending EA's business model, I hate that. What I'm arguing against is the idea that bioware has some vendetta against it's audience, when that's just not true. Aside from a few snippy comments by chris priestly which people overreact too, Bioware has been very polite during this whole debacle. It annoys me how some people cannot just dislike something without the need to create an imaginary villian to fight.

But in a sense there is a villain to fight. When you go to a model that sacrifices its customers from a model that sought to preserve the happiness and satisfaction of its customers ... you get exactly what you see here. You get customers who feel betrayed and are extremely angry. You also see a lot of people fighting against what we see them becoming.

[Lopez23]

Omega Torsk wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The implications are beginning to form in my head.

I HAVE seen this before.

But I can't be certain until the EC is released.

I can't possibly see how it could get any worse. Not with the amount of eyes currently on the devs.

Concerning Priestly's question, I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that it's PR prep for post-release of the EC. The ME team wants to get all of their ducks in a row, this time.

They've had two months to get a clear image of what people "want." I believe the final draft has been penned, VA's have been recorded, and now they're working on polishing the content and implementing it into the game. We'll probably get an ETA come E3.

OP, your fears aren't unfounded. While I still don't understand the latent fear you're harboring, I'm going to hold onto my fool's hope that the ME devs genuinely care about fan feedback, the EC will be some kind of reflection of that, and that the current ending was a tragic mistake originating from a fast-approaching deadline and an unchecked Hudson.

That's all I can really do at this point... I'm getting tired of voicing my criticisms to a brick wall.

Really? I hope you're in a padded room when the EC comes.out....They're Not Changing Anything.....as was reiterated on the Retake homepage last night......

Yeah, they keep saying that, but I don't think they fully grasp that giving us something that wasn't there before is changing the ending, regardless. Whether it's adding new things to the current ending or expanding on what's currently in the ending, change happens.

The only thing I pull from the "we're not changing the ending" statements is that they're not cutting things (like StarBrat) out and putting something else in.

idk why but when you said an unchecked hudson i burst out laughing.....something about that idk but to stay on point i agree with you i feel like they were never really clear with the "we're not changing the ending" thing which made me think what if they added a seperate new ending like you know another choice? i feel like that would be the best idea for Bioware to just add one or more different endings like one where you disable the reapers sheilds with the crucible and then the fleet can take them on and depending on your EMS they win with a few loses win with a ****load of loses or lose. i think that would be the best way to take it without having to listen to the star brats bull crap but if anything ik this has been said before but look out for Harbingers VO..that deffinatly means something and if someone hears about the starbrat's VO (minus Meer and Hale ofcourse =D) and if hes recording then PLEASE KIDNAP HIM OR GIVE HIM CANDY WHATEVER IT TAKES TO KEEP HIM AWAY FROM THE RECORDING STUDIO obviuosly not serius but if u see him tell him to stop