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[Segameister]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I am also aware of his belief that the Retake movement was trying to wrestle creative control.

The Retake movement is NOT about wrestling creative control.  I see us as the 'tip of the spear', where the spear is ALL the fans that doesn't like the ending.  We're trying to be loud, focused, draw attention to the issue.

The ISSUE being that the fruit loop ending (pick a color) couldn't have been a worse way to end this illustrious serious. 

Heaven forbid that this perception becomes an excuse to not change the ending.

[Nemesis1812]

Atakuma wrote...

Nemesis1812 wrote...

M8DMAN wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

It's rather sad to see how Bioware standing by their work is somehow seen as them being either delusional, or arrogant.

Why do you think that? There's nothing admirable about being pig-headed. I've a lot more respect for people who admit their mistakes, or are at least able to offer a good enough explanation as to what they were doing that I can at least respectfully disagree.

I agree. Bioware should have done the admirable thing and admited that the ending was a mistake. But no, they decided to stand by their "artistic vison".

And we all suffered for it.

When someone reaches a certain level of arrogance, it becomes impossible and unfathomable to admit fault.

Although, as Taboo-XX has stated, the EC is a partial admission of guilt, albeit a half-hearted one.

The only arrogance on display here is you implying that your subjective opinion is somehow an objective truth. Bioware don't believe what they did was a mistake, if they did, then they would just change the endings instead of what they are currently doing. 

I am implying no such thing.  I am merely expressing an interpretation on why they are not admitting to having done something wrong.

You cannot know what they are changing since you have too little information to go on.  What they may end up doing, may be a big change for someone and an insignificant one for someone else.

[frylock23]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

I'm getting to a point with the whole ending/EC thing where I just don't care anymore, not because I'm sure that Bioware won't make the ending any easier to swallow, but because no matter what they do, there are still going to be a staggering number of threads on these forums full of butt-hurt about it, including these classics:

1. A screed about how "Bioware has let us down yet again"
2. People saying "Goodbye, Bioware" even though they stick around for 11 pages of posts to explain why they're leaving, which negates the entire point of their thread
3. A call-to-action urging people to boycott all Bioware products, present and future (and probably past, if they could actually achieve it)
4. A small group of people who actually liked the EC, at which those who don't will tear them to shreds because f*ck them for having a differing opinion!
5. Some attempt to prove or disprove the Indoctrination Theory from the content of the EC, and all the ways everyone is either undeniably right or absolutely wrong about it

There will be no happiness to be had anywhere because people have it set in their mind that it has to be one way or no way.

If you think I'm wrong, just wait until when this EC comes out, or just look back at all the threads that came out after the endings, or even after the PAX announcement.

I stick around waiting for the EC in the hopes that it will do one of two things for me:

1. Finish off whatever ME3's current endings mortally wounded but failed to fully put out of its misery

2. Heal whatever ME3's current endings mortally wounded but failed to put out of its misery

Either one would be a relief at this point and I could get on with things.

[squerldestroyer]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

I'm getting to a point with the whole ending/EC thing where I just don't care anymore, not because I'm sure that Bioware won't make the ending any easier to swallow, but because no matter what they do, there are still going to be a staggering number of threads on these forums full of butt-hurt about it, including these classics:

1. A screed about how "Bioware has let us down yet again"
2. People saying "Goodbye, Bioware" even though they stick around for 11 pages of posts to explain why they're leaving, which negates the entire point of their thread
3. A call-to-action urging people to boycott all Bioware products, present and future (and probably past, if they could actually achieve it)
4. A small group of people who actually liked the EC, at which those who don't will tear them to shreds because f*ck them for having a differing opinion!
5. Some attempt to prove or disprove the Indoctrination Theory from the content of the EC, and all the ways everyone is either undeniably right or absolutely wrong about it

There will be no happiness to be had anywhere because people have it set in their mind that it has to be one way or no way.

If you think I'm wrong, just wait until when this EC comes out, or just look back at all the threads that came out after the endings, or even after the PAX announcement.

You know what, I read these posts BEFORE I bought ME3. Maybe that makes me naive, or maybe I enjoyed the first 2 so much that I thought I might have a different opinion than a majority on this site did. But I just finished it with the "destroy the synthetics" option, and it just doesn't fit the whole story they created. I understand the choices, I understand that they have every right to end it the way they want, but the ending DOES NOT FIT THE STORY THAT WAS TOLD. And it was pretty evident that the story and events were rushed after the quarian missions. I don't completely blame Bioware for this all this. I blame the suits at EA. I think they are no better than Activision when it comes to forcing games out half baked for a quick buck.

[eddieoctane]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Gamble said so.

He has no precedence to lie about it.

Well, he has established a precedent of lying about other things. I now take everything any of them say with a rather large amount of salt. Even on something as simple as who's recording audio for the EC.

[Flextt]

Segameister wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I am also aware of his belief that the Retake movement was trying to wrestle creative control.

The Retake movement is NOT about wrestling creative control.  I see us as the 'tip of the spear', where the spear is ALL the fans that doesn't like the ending.  We're trying to be loud, focused, draw attention to the issue.

The ISSUE being that the fruit loop ending (pick a color) couldn't have been a worse way to end this illustrious serious. 

Heaven forbid that this perception becomes an excuse to not change the ending.

It is a ridiculous notion anyway. While it may seem arrogant from Retake at first glance, we need to up the stakes to get a more desirable compromise. BioWare has failed to realize this negotiative tactic and stone-walled. Essentially, everyone lost.

[phat0817]

I don't know how many more question I can ask them Taboo. I think you got better chance of brick wall answering then Bioware.

Yes I know they answer but how many times can you get the run around excuse without just wanting to throw hands up?

I don't want to see Bioware fall flat on there face but if EC fails they have nobody to blame but themselves and at that point I'm just done with there games.

[fchopin]

I have no idea what op is trying to say, what can i say i am lost.

Ask questions for what?

[Tazzmission]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

so wheres this announcment that hulick stated was comming?

Hulick's announcement was that he is doing the music for the next Baldur's Gate game.

thats it? : sigh: that kind of killed my excitment because i thought it was me3 related 

Modifié par Tazzmission, 11 mai 2012 - 09:33 .

[phat0817]

fchopin wrote...

I have no idea what op is trying to say, what can i say i am lost.

Ask questions for what?

He means ask questions about the EC

[Atakuma]

Segameister wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I am also aware of his belief that the Retake movement was trying to wrestle creative control.

The Retake movement is NOT about wrestling creative control.  I see us as the 'tip of the spear', where the spear is ALL the fans that doesn't like the ending.  We're trying to be loud, focused, draw attention to the issue.

The ISSUE being that the fruit loop ending (pick a color) couldn't have been a worse way to end this illustrious serious. 

Heaven forbid that this perception becomes an excuse to not change the ending.

You can use whatever nonsese you like to try and dress it up, but the fact is that the retake movement was about nothing more than trying to force bioware to make a new ending.

[Tazzmission]

Atakuma wrote...

Segameister wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I am also aware of his belief that the Retake movement was trying to wrestle creative control.

The Retake movement is NOT about wrestling creative control.  I see us as the 'tip of the spear', where the spear is ALL the fans that doesn't like the ending.  We're trying to be loud, focused, draw attention to the issue.

The ISSUE being that the fruit loop ending (pick a color) couldn't have been a worse way to end this illustrious serious. 

Heaven forbid that this perception becomes an excuse to not change the ending.

You can use whatever nonsese you like to try and dress it up, but the fact is that the retake movement was about nothing more than trying to force bioware to make a new ending.

dude just let it go.

the last thing we need is another 2 months of people arguing

[Taboo]

Atakuma wrote...

Segameister wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I am also aware of his belief that the Retake movement was trying to wrestle creative control.

The Retake movement is NOT about wrestling creative control.  I see us as the 'tip of the spear', where the spear is ALL the fans that doesn't like the ending.  We're trying to be loud, focused, draw attention to the issue.

The ISSUE being that the fruit loop ending (pick a color) couldn't have been a worse way to end this illustrious serious. 

Heaven forbid that this perception becomes an excuse to not change the ending.

You can use whatever nonsese you like to try and dress it up, but the fact is that the retake movement was about nothing more than trying to force bioware to make a new ending.

Of course. But not to wrestle creative control.

There is a difference.

[The Night Mammoth]

Atakuma wrote...

Segameister wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I am also aware of his belief that the Retake movement was trying to wrestle creative control.

The Retake movement is NOT about wrestling creative control.  I see us as the 'tip of the spear', where the spear is ALL the fans that doesn't like the ending.  We're trying to be loud, focused, draw attention to the issue.

The ISSUE being that the fruit loop ending (pick a color) couldn't have been a worse way to end this illustrious serious. 

Heaven forbid that this perception becomes an excuse to not change the ending.

You can use whatever nonsese you like to try and dress it up, but the fact is that the retake movement was about nothing more than trying to force bioware to make a new ending.

You can try and stip it naked all you want, but that's patently false and you know it. Retake does not have one single goal. Pretty much everyone wants something different. Some specific, some don't care so long as it's better, some want to leave it up to BioWare and make their decision from there. 

Stop being disingenuous. 

[incinerator950]

Tazzmission wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Segameister wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I am also aware of his belief that the Retake movement was trying to wrestle creative control.

The Retake movement is NOT about wrestling creative control.  I see us as the 'tip of the spear', where the spear is ALL the fans that doesn't like the ending.  We're trying to be loud, focused, draw attention to the issue.

The ISSUE being that the fruit loop ending (pick a color) couldn't have been a worse way to end this illustrious serious. 

Heaven forbid that this perception becomes an excuse to not change the ending.

You can use whatever nonsese you like to try and dress it up, but the fact is that the retake movement was about nothing more than trying to force bioware to make a new ending.

dude just let it go.

the last thing we need is another 2 months of people arguing

People are just going to argue regardless.  If Bioware makes a successful EC, people are going to complain about why it wasn't there in the first place. 

It's like Carlin explaining why saving the Earth is a joke the way people complain about it at the point of people complaining about personally being inconvienanced by something, and not actually wanting to help others.

[Xx_Belzak_xX]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Segameister wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I am also aware of his belief that the Retake movement was trying to wrestle creative control.

The Retake movement is NOT about wrestling creative control.  I see us as the 'tip of the spear', where the spear is ALL the fans that doesn't like the ending.  We're trying to be loud, focused, draw attention to the issue.

The ISSUE being that the fruit loop ending (pick a color) couldn't have been a worse way to end this illustrious serious. 

Heaven forbid that this perception becomes an excuse to not change the ending.

You can use whatever nonsese you like to try and dress it up, but the fact is that the retake movement was about nothing more than trying to force bioware to make a new ending.

Of course. But not to wrestle creative control.

There is a difference.

You've got quite a quad; having the nerve to argue with the all-knowing, almighty Atakuma! How dare you! For shame! 

[Atakuma]

Tazzmission wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Segameister wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I am also aware of his belief that the Retake movement was trying to wrestle creative control.

The Retake movement is NOT about wrestling creative control.  I see us as the 'tip of the spear', where the spear is ALL the fans that doesn't like the ending.  We're trying to be loud, focused, draw attention to the issue.

The ISSUE being that the fruit loop ending (pick a color) couldn't have been a worse way to end this illustrious serious. 

Heaven forbid that this perception becomes an excuse to not change the ending.

You can use whatever nonsese you like to try and dress it up, but the fact is that the retake movement was about nothing more than trying to force bioware to make a new ending.

dude just let it go.

the last thing we need is another 2 months of people arguing

That's going to happen anyway, I'm just going to drop out now before I get completely burned out.

[Trebor1969]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

This is pretty much exclusively a problem of the ME team. The DA devs have been very good at dialoguing with the fanbase despite all of the flack they get. The ME folks on the other hand seem to be completely unwilling or unable to do the same, which is unfortunate.

They even come here and have dialogues with us as fans (all thanks to Allan Schumacher for this).

Yeap

[Taboo]

The damage is already done.

All Bioware can do now is apply a bandage in an attempt to stop the bleeding.

And save the perpetual arm, or leg that is Mass Effect.

[Taboo]

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Segameister wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I am also aware of his belief that the Retake movement was trying to wrestle creative control.

The Retake movement is NOT about wrestling creative control.  I see us as the 'tip of the spear', where the spear is ALL the fans that doesn't like the ending.  We're trying to be loud, focused, draw attention to the issue.

The ISSUE being that the fruit loop ending (pick a color) couldn't have been a worse way to end this illustrious serious. 

Heaven forbid that this perception becomes an excuse to not change the ending.

You can use whatever nonsese you like to try and dress it up, but the fact is that the retake movement was about nothing more than trying to force bioware to make a new ending.

Of course. But not to wrestle creative control.

There is a difference.

You've got quite a quad; having the nerve to argue with the all-knowing, almighty Atakuma! How dare you! For shame! 

I don't have time to deal with peoples petulent nonsense. No one is ever above being questioned, myself included.

[Xx_Belzak_xX]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Segameister wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I am also aware of his belief that the Retake movement was trying to wrestle creative control.

The Retake movement is NOT about wrestling creative control.  I see us as the 'tip of the spear', where the spear is ALL the fans that doesn't like the ending.  We're trying to be loud, focused, draw attention to the issue.

The ISSUE being that the fruit loop ending (pick a color) couldn't have been a worse way to end this illustrious serious. 

Heaven forbid that this perception becomes an excuse to not change the ending.

You can use whatever nonsese you like to try and dress it up, but the fact is that the retake movement was about nothing more than trying to force bioware to make a new ending.

Of course. But not to wrestle creative control.

There is a difference.

You've got quite a quad; having the nerve to argue with the all-knowing, almighty Atakuma! How dare you! For shame! 

I don't have time to deal with peoples petulent nonsense. No one is ever above being questioned, myself included.

Sarcasm really never did translate well over the internet. ._.;

Modifié par Xx_Belzak_xX, 11 mai 2012 - 09:50 .

[dreamgazer]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Segameister wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I am also aware of his belief that the Retake movement was trying to wrestle creative control.

The Retake movement is NOT about wrestling creative control.  I see us as the 'tip of the spear', where the spear is ALL the fans that doesn't like the ending.  We're trying to be loud, focused, draw attention to the issue.

The ISSUE being that the fruit loop ending (pick a color) couldn't have been a worse way to end this illustrious serious. 

Heaven forbid that this perception becomes an excuse to not change the ending.

You can use whatever nonsese you like to try and dress it up, but the fact is that the retake movement was about nothing more than trying to force bioware to make a new ending.

Of course. But not to wrestle creative control.

There is a difference.

There is.  However, changing it from what they presented to something different is, in fact, forcing them to alter their creative vision, and the act of BioWare doing so is relinquishing their creative control over the story.  

That movement doesn't want a specific ending, as far as I know, but they do want something---anything---else other than the one BioWare created, one that they're proud of. 

[Peranor]

Have I missed something or have they brought back just about every voice actor for the EC except Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale?

[Taboo]

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Segameister wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I am also aware of his belief that the Retake movement was trying to wrestle creative control.

The Retake movement is NOT about wrestling creative control.  I see us as the 'tip of the spear', where the spear is ALL the fans that doesn't like the ending.  We're trying to be loud, focused, draw attention to the issue.

The ISSUE being that the fruit loop ending (pick a color) couldn't have been a worse way to end this illustrious serious. 

Heaven forbid that this perception becomes an excuse to not change the ending.

You can use whatever nonsese you like to try and dress it up, but the fact is that the retake movement was about nothing more than trying to force bioware to make a new ending.

Of course. But not to wrestle creative control.

There is a difference.

You've got quite a quad; having the nerve to argue with the all-knowing, almighty Atakuma! How dare you! For shame! 

I don't have time to deal with peoples petulent nonsense. No one is ever above being questioned, myself included.

Sarcasm really never did translate well over the internet.

I knew you were being sarcastic. I just want to remind people that you have every right to dissent.