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[Taboo]

See my above post.

That's it.

[LazyTechGuy]

Taboo, when you post something on Monday, l'll be reading it because you seem to have some type of educated opinion about this but for Christ's sake, please leave the ambiguity to yourself. We're just going around in circles and straying from the whole point of you making this thread in the first place.

[Sublyminal]

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Taboo, when you post something on Monday, l'll be reading it because you seem to have some type of educated opinion about this but for Christ's sake, please leave the ambiguity to yourself. We're just going around in circles and straying from the whole point of you making this thread in the first place.

Someone's not a big fan of thrillers / suspense. 

[Taboo]

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Taboo, when you post something on Monday, l'll be reading it because you seem to have some type of educated opinion about this but for Christ's sake, please leave the ambiguity to yourself. We're just going around in circles and straying from the whole point of you making this thread in the first place.

I do it out of hesitation not out of malice. I apologize for dancing around the issue. I'll be pointing fingers directly and it's not something I like to do lightly.

I learn from my own job to never question the words of directors,producers and writers even when they suggest things that are so ridiculous you cannot bear the pain without a visible strain.

[devSin]

The next time you choose to comment upon BioWare's methods of communication, I suggest maybe looking to yourself first.

And that's all I'm going to say on this.

[Joe Del Toro]

Then you shouldn't have said anything, Taboo. Then you wouldn't have looked like those people on facebook who post negative statuses then when they're asked about it they respond with 'I don't wanna talk about it.'

I get the feeling you're hopefully smarter than that.

[Xellith]

PM it me I dont wanna wait that long /grumpy

[Balmung31]

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Taboo, when you post something on Monday, l'll be reading it because you seem to have some type of educated opinion about this but for Christ's sake, please leave the ambiguity to yourself. We're just going around in circles and straying from the whole point of you making this thread in the first place.

Don't you see that that's his whole point about Bioware's PR?  He's been illustrating it with his posts. 

Illustrating absurdity by being absurd. 

Modifié par Balmung31, 12 mai 2012 - 01:25 .

[Taboo]

devSin wrote...

The next time you choose to comment upon BioWare's methods of communication, I suggest maybe looking to yourself first.

And that's all I'm going to say on this.

I'm terrible and I admit that but I would only make a very crude judgement is if I believed there would be a necessitation for it. I did not make the inference that people did not understand that they wanted me to tell them what I though because I never thought there would be a demand for it. If you want me to tell you something you need to tell me explicitly ladies and gentlemen.

You'll have my answer on Monday,plain as day.

[devSin]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I learn from my own job to never question the words of directors,producers and writers even when they suggest things that are so ridiculous you cannot bear the pain without a visible strain.

We know Casey and Mac are responsible for the ending.

Whether it's true or not, or whether anyone will admit it, we all know it.

This is not new information. It's also not accusatory. They're perfectly fine with their ending, remember? They believe it is inspiring and uplifting, that it offers images of victory and hope in the context of sacrifice and reflection (and that statement alone should have been your biggest proof that somebody was getting too high off their own fumes).

I'm sorry, but I just don't see the necessity of dancing around it.

I'll even broach the subject for you: I'm afraid the project director is responsible for...

Modifié par devSin, 12 mai 2012 - 01:22 .

[delta_vee]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You'll have my answer on Monday,plain as day.

Why wait?

[Sublyminal]

devSin wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I learn from my own job to never question the words of directors,producers and writers even when they suggest things that are so ridiculous you cannot bear the pain without a visible strain.

We know Casey and Mac are responsible for the ending.

Whether it's true or not, or whether anyone will admit it, we all know it.

This is not new information. It's also not accusatory. They're perfectly fine with their ending, remember? They believe it is inspiring and uplifting, that it offers images of victory and hope in the context of sacrifice and reflection (and that statement alone should have been your biggest proof that somebody was getting too high off their own fumes).

A certain someone already claimed they did it, then said his account was hacked... He who shall not be named.

[Taboo]

devSin wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I learn from my own job to never question the words of directors,producers and writers even when they suggest things that are so ridiculous you cannot bear the pain without a visible strain.

We know Casey and Mac are responsible for the ending.

Whether it's true or not, or whether anyone will admit it, we all know it.

This is not new information. It's also not accusatory. They're perfectly fine with their ending, remember? They believe it is inspiring and uplifting, that it offers images of victory and hope in the context of sacrifice and reflection (and that statement alone should have been your biggest proof that somebody was getting too high off their own fumes).

It's not just Casey and Mac.

The problem is a bit more severe than that. 

What I fear is somthing that affects the higher ups and then reflects poorly on all the other staff members.

[devSin]

Sublyminal wrote...

A certain someone already claimed they did it, then said his account was hacked... He who shall not be named.

Actually, he doesn't say that.

He says he was misquoted. But the post didn't quote anything.

It was an entire post, without quotation. It's either a fabrication or it's not.

Modifié par devSin, 12 mai 2012 - 01:26 .

[Taboo]

delta_vee wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You'll have my answer on Monday,plain as day.

Why wait?

I can't sit around and post all day. I'd like to get somethings done this weekend. People I need to see, things I need to buy to survive (i.e food).

[Nauks]

Taboo-XX wrote...

devSin wrote...

The next time you choose to comment upon BioWare's methods of communication, I suggest maybe looking to yourself first.

And that's all I'm going to say on this.

I'm terrible and I admit that but I would only make a very crude judgement is if I believed there would be a necessitation for it. I did not make the inference that people did not understand that they wanted me to tell them what I though because I never thought there would be a demand for it. If you want me to tell you something you need to tell me explicitly ladies and gentlemen.

You'll have my answer on Monday,plain as day.

So it's a life imitates art type illustration of the current Bioware EC limbo situation, ok :/

Modifié par Nauks, 12 mai 2012 - 01:23 .

[devSin]

Taboo-XX wrote...

What I fear is somthing that affects the higher ups and then reflects poorly on all the other staff members.

Ray and Greg have been off for years.

Greg's had wild hair for like the last half-decade, and you know that always means trouble.

[Taboo]

I don't like leaving you in this state. I can't simply express my thoughts on the matter in a few sentences. It worries me deeply.

I've had similar experiences with such nonsense, one of which exposed me to a Biohazard.

You must understand that I do not make accusations towards writers, directors and producers lightly.

[Sublyminal]

devSin wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

A certain someone already claimed they did it, then said his account was hacked... He who shall not be named.

Actually, he doesn't say that.

He says he was misquoted. But the post didn't quote anything.

It was an entire post, without quotation. It's either a fabrication or it's not.

No he doesn't directly say he was hacked but other speculate that he was, which is why he quickly distanced himself from it. 

[devSin]

It's not an accusation. You don't know what happened. You'll never know what happened.

Saying what could have happened is not accusing somebody of doing something. It's stating a possibility.

And really, Ray and Greg aren't going to come get you, Casey and Mac have been associated with far worse recently, and if it's somebody from EA, nobody actually cares and there's nothing anybody could do.

I'm genuinely curious as to what you think happened. I'm not at all interested in who you think is responsible. So just say that it was somebody in a position of control or influence. Give us the what, and save the who for whenever you feel like revealing it.

Modifié par devSin, 12 mai 2012 - 01:31 .

[Taboo]

devSin wrote...

It's not an accusation. You don't know what happened. You'll never know what happened.

Saying what could have happened is not accusing somebody of doing something. It's stating a possibility.

And really, Ray and Greg aren't going to come get you, Casey and Mac have been associated with far worse recently, and if it's somebody from EA, nobody actually cares and there's nothing anybody could do.

You make a valid point. My problem, you see is that people have a tendency to run with whatever is posted here.

I don't want to start a flame war without being properly prepared. A possibility can have just as many rustled feathers as an accusation if presented poorly.

Who I believe is most responsible and why would be a very big feather rustler.

Both control and influence come into play.

Like I said it's a worst case scenario.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 12 mai 2012 - 01:32 .

[dreamgazer]

So, what's your point, Taboo-XX? That they're going to spin their audience in circles and never actually deliver anything?

[IUDEX99]

Even if I'm one of the players who really did not like the ending of the game, I'm starting to wonder about the forums on BSN.

After the game was released and many people had their first playthrough I could completely understand that there was a lot of anger, annoyance, irritation, frustration, astonishment...(feel free to add to the listing). People were in anticipation of the game and a lot were extremly disppointed by the ending.

But that's two months ago.

Meanwhile we have BW having announced an extended cut and regarding the avtivities of the voice actors it is obvious that the production of the extended cut is in process.

Of course, we can open threads about the same topics every day again over and over (as it is done momentarily).
If this is really constructive might be questionable. I think the message bas been already deliverd to the addressee.

One of the main problems I see in the forums is the problem of interpretation.
For example, a lot of people are referring to BWs statement that the ending of the game will not be changed. This statement  is very interpretable.
Does it mean not to change any existing cutscenes and just adding new ones?
Does it mean not to change the structure of the ending in meaning of the three choices?
You can add a lot more questions here.

And if the ending is not changed, what is the definition of "ending"?
Does it begin with the last missions (Cerberus Base and Earth), i.e. the postion where you are taken to after finishing the game?
Does it mean Mission Earth I or Mission Earth II?
Does it mean the part after the beam?
No more examples here because I assume you knew what I'm up to.

And even if the ending is not being changed, it actually will be changed for every player. At the moment there are lots of speculations due to the reletively large number of plotholes. Every player has his own interpretations and ideas when he is filling theese plotholes by himself. We just need to check the forums here and we will see how many different ideas people have what happened.
Therefore you can be sure, that whatever will be included in the extended-cut-version, the ending will definitly change. Simply because the extended cut does not fit with the imaginations and interpreatations of every player.

Besides, it does not help simply to demand and demand and demand.
BW annonced, that they are listening. We have a proof, Mr. P. is active on "foreign" (and "hostile") forums.
They said that they would listen and I'm pretty sure we will get answers to our questions. But this might take a while. The process of producing the extended cut will take a while. And some (maybe more, maybe most, maybe all) of the major questions will already be answered in the extended cut.

Demanding more information like "why did you decide to make A" or "who did decide B" is absurd. You won't get theese answers from a company as long as you are just a customer. You will get the answers if you are the shareholder and even then you sometimes need to build up some pressure before you get the answers.

From my point of view it is much more important in the current situation to be constructive.
For example in lots of threads people have illustrated plotholes and in some posts even include examples or ideas how to fill theese holes.
We have been asked what we expect from the extended cut.
Simply answering that the plotholes should be stuffed is not constructive. Give examples of what you really want to see. Give ideas.

Coming back to my questions from the beginning:
A lot of the ending could be changed without really changing the structure of the end.
To give an example:
There would even be the possibility that Shep went unconscious after having been hit by the beam. While he is dreaming about the Catalyst (capitalized because I mean the person, not the technical part), Anderson could have "beamed up", opened the Citadel's arms. The Reapers are weakened and we witness their destruction including all our war assets.
And now let me ask you:
Has the ending been dramatically changed? Have parts of the game being deleted and new written?

But again, I'm sure, you all know what I'm up to.
At the moment, in a situation where obviously voice acting is recorded, we might be a bit late with new suggestions ans ideas. But maybe we hit some points that can be changed without having influence on the voice acting.

We have to be patient. I know, it's hard to be patient. We all love the ME-games, we all have exceptions and apprehensions about the extended cut. But demanding whatever from BW does not help. We simply have to wait. We can critisize the EC after we saw it.
But demands do not help. It's like demanding from seven up to get the receipes for their softdrinks. Or to demand to get the information from Pepsi who decided to not sell Crystal-Pepsi anymore in my country and why. We won't get theese information. It's obsolete to ask for it.

I should end now, most people won't read my post anyway because it's to long and has no DL;TR.


Cheers

Dex

Modifié par IUDEX99, 12 mai 2012 - 01:36 .

[Taboo]

dreamgazer wrote...

So, what's your point, Taboo-XX? That they're going to spin their audience in circles and never actually deliver anything?

No.

What I am saying is that I believe in a root cause to the problem, one that has happened before. They can most certainly deliver but they must be fully aware of what got them there in the first place.

[devSin]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You make a valid point. My problem, you see is that people have a tendency to run with whatever is posted here.

If I don't believe it, I won't believe. If I do believe it, then I will believe it.

People believe all kinds of things, good and bad. People believe Patrick wrote Tuchanka, and they praise him for it. He didn't write it.

Taboo-XX wrote...

I don't want to start a flame war without being properly prepared. A possibility can have just as many rustled feathers as an accusation if presented poorly.

Nobody is going to flame you, and nobody is going to flame anybody else. I guarantee the revelation is not that dire. But people will be able to finally weigh whatever shocking news you seem to perpetually be on the cusp of revealing, and decide whether they think it's a likely scenario or not.

Taboo-XX wrote...

Who I believe is most responsible and why would be a very big feather rustler.

Both control and influence come into play.

I'm genuinely curious as to what you think happened. I'm not at all interested in who you think is responsible. So just say that it was somebody in a position of control or influence. Give us the what, and save the who for whenever you feel like revealing it (if you ever do).

Modifié par devSin, 12 mai 2012 - 01:36 .