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[Erield]

The Fatal/Incinerator romance pyramid attempt seems to be done. I see no further point in this thread.

[Taboo]

What you've seen a case of disconnect so severe, so perpetually mind boggling that it has literally separated the type of art between consumer and creator.

We have a literal fault at the most basic, basic level. An attempt at something that is not possible in most situations and the ramifications of such a thing are rather depressing, but mostly for the audience.

I don't want to believe that they wanted this to happen, this monstrosity, this anger, this resentment. But I cannot pity them for something they created and caused themselves. We didn't start the fir but we sure as hell whipped it into a frenzy.

The implications are so amazingly terrifying.

I both depressed and fascinated at the same time.

[dreamgazer]

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

So, what's your point, Taboo-XX? That they're going to spin their audience in circles and never actually deliver anything?

No.

What I am saying is that I believe in a root cause to the problem, one that has happened before. They can most certainly deliver but they must be fully aware of what got them there in the first place.

Do you think that BioWare's root cause was a true desire to deceive just for deceit's sake?

Because there are two types of deceit in this situation: the one that's needless, without gratification, and purely designed to incite the participants; and the one that's analytical, generates speculation, and might actually have a reward at the end.  In this experiment, you actually did something interesting: presented the opportunity for the second one, yet exacted the first one.  

I sincerely believe that whatever might happen with what the extended cut delivers, they didn't want to just frustrate their audience by running them in misleading circles.  These people aren't malicious. They wanted them to actively and passionately interpret what's going on, and not follow PR around with pitchforks. 

[UrgentArchengel]

Bronze65 wrote...

God you people are such idiots.

Sometimes it takes an idiot to get stuff done.

[Taboo]

dreamgazer wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

So, what's your point, Taboo-XX? That they're going to spin their audience in circles and never actually deliver anything?

No.

What I am saying is that I believe in a root cause to the problem, one that has happened before. They can most certainly deliver but they must be fully aware of what got them there in the first place.

Do you think that BioWare's root cause was a true desire to deceive just for deceit's sake?

Because there are two types of deceit in this situation: the one that's needless, without gratification, and purely designed to incite the participants; and the one that's analytical, generates speculation, and might actually have a reward at the end.  In this experiment, you actually did something interesting: presented the opportunity for the second one, yet exacted the first one.  

I sincerely believe that whatever might happen with what the extended cut delivers, they didn't want to just frustrate their audience by running them in misleading circles.  These people aren't malicious. They wanted them to actively and passionately interpret what's going on, and not follow PR around with pitchforks. 

This is exatcly what I believe. But a disconnect has caused this to happen. One that has caused a very dark blemish to appear on Bioware's canvas. I know they care but I also know they are entirely human. One mistake can ruin a great deal.

[Joe Del Toro]

If this ends up with a rickroll it'll be the best trolling I've ever seen

[Taboo]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Bronze65 wrote...

God you people are such idiots.

Sometimes it takes an idiot to get stuff done.

I was called a Communist publicly once.

He can never match that.

[unoriginalname1133]

Kunari801 wrote...

They're watching... but they aren't listening.   Thousands of posts and reasons why and they still don't seem to get it.  




All that effort and sacrifice to save the Galaxy and people Shepard loves is all for naught.  No matter the choice, we destroy it!  Shepard must pick a war crime to "win" the war and in so doing destroy everything he loves and fought for. 

This is not victory, it is defeat.   Shepard doesn't go out like a hero but a war criminal. 

We get the endings BW.  We care more about the ME Universe --and those who inhabit that virtual world-- than apparently you do.  

This

[devSin]

An attempt at what? To create what?

[Taboo]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

If this ends up with a rickroll it'll be the best trolling I've ever seen

I would never do that to you.

I cannot offer you anything other than my previous topics as proof of my sincerity.

[Taboo]

devSin wrote...

An attempt at what? To create what?

Create was the  wrong word......I apologize.

A disconnect from what was marketable and what they believed they wanted.

They have every right to do what they want and the public has every right to not like it.

That is the creation I've seen. An entirely new animosity and distrust.

[Joe Del Toro]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

If this ends up with a rickroll it'll be the best trolling I've ever seen

I would never do that to you.

I cannot offer you anything other than my previous topics as proof of my sincerity.

I would actually prefer that to another melodramatic quasi-philisophical ambiguous post that says nothing

[Taboo]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

If this ends up with a rickroll it'll be the best trolling I've ever seen

I would never do that to you.

I cannot offer you anything other than my previous topics as proof of my sincerity.

I would actually prefer that to another melodramatic quasi-philisophical ambiguous post that says nothing

Melodramatic as it may be it was something I was not willing to do lightly as I didn't feel that it was appropriate at the time. I cannot simply make rash judgements willy nilly as all that does is spread fear. I do not want to descend futher down the spiral than I already have and end up like someone who makes silly judgments off of small bits of information. If you want me to stop being vague you need to tell me so and do so explicitly. I cannot tell the tone of your voice on the internet.

[Joe Del Toro]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

If this ends up with a rickroll it'll be the best trolling I've ever seen

I would never do that to you.

I cannot offer you anything other than my previous topics as proof of my sincerity.

I would actually prefer that to another melodramatic quasi-philisophical ambiguous post that says nothing

Melodramatic as it may be it was something I was not willing to do lightly as I didn't feel that it was appropriate at the time. I cannot simply make rash judgements willy nilly as all that does is spread fear. I do not want to descend futher down the spiral than I already have and end up like someone who makes silly judgments off of small bits of information. If you want me to stop being vague you need to tell me so and do so explicitly. I cannot tell the tone of your voice on the internet.

Do you mean me, or the several other guys who have also said you're taking this vague sh*t too far?

[dreamgazer]

Taboo-XX wrote...

devSin wrote...

An attempt at what? To create what?

Create was the  wrong word......I apologize.

A disconnect from what was marketable and what they believed they wanted.

They have every right to do what they want and the public has every right to not like it.

That is the creation I've seen. An entirely new animosity and distrust.

Therein lies one of the inherent problems with this experiment, on a practical level: you had no intention of delivering anything at the end of it, so the implication leads into the idea that BioWare actually has no intention to delivering anything---only that they want to confuse until a conflagration point where people stop caring. You don't actually think they're that malicious, do you?

[devSin]

But what do you think is the root of it? You clearly think there's somebody pulling the strings, but isn't it more likely a drive for speculation (and also the ability to close off a story without actually closing it yourself) led them to this?

I'd be more inclined to think this was an effort to save them from bad writing. They didn't know what to do, so they thought they could get away with doing nothing (and shifting the burden to the audience to decide the true fate).

And this is basically what Final Hours tells us. They had some ideas but couldn't ever figure out what to do, so they just chopped and chopped and chopped until they had a bare scaffold of an ending left that provided nothing of actual substance to the viewer beyond some vague and inappropriate themes.

You really think somebody made the decision to BS for the sake of BS in order to... to what? Engender a positive outcry? To head off something else that was coming? What would you assume is the rationale for somebody purposely driving the team toward this?

[LazyTechGuy]

Balmung31 wrote...

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Taboo, when you post something on Monday, l'll be reading it because you seem to have some type of educated opinion about this but for Christ's sake, please leave the ambiguity to yourself. We're just going around in circles and straying from the whole point of you making this thread in the first place.

Don't you see that that's his whole point about Bioware's PR?  He's been illustrating it with his posts. 

Illustrating absurdity by being absurd. 

Fair enough, I guess.  Personally, I think BW proved that point with their actual ****footing. Didn't think that needed to be copied. Seems redundant.

Taboo, I give you the benefit of the doubt. I'll wait to read about whatever insight you have.

[Taboo]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

If this ends up with a rickroll it'll be the best trolling I've ever seen

I would never do that to you.

I cannot offer you anything other than my previous topics as proof of my sincerity.

I would actually prefer that to another melodramatic quasi-philisophical ambiguous post that says nothing

Melodramatic as it may be it was something I was not willing to do lightly as I didn't feel that it was appropriate at the time. I cannot simply make rash judgements willy nilly as all that does is spread fear. I do not want to descend futher down the spiral than I already have and end up like someone who makes silly judgments off of small bits of information. If you want me to stop being vague you need to tell me so and do so explicitly. I cannot tell the tone of your voice on the internet.

Do you mean me, or the several other guys who have also said you're taking this vague sh*t too far?

Many more. You should probably tell me via PM. I have several other people who ask me questions to. This is my fault and I admit fully to it but all I can do is ask you to be more direct.

[Joe Del Toro]

Stop. Posting. Vague. Sh*t.

[ShepnTali]

The ending could have literally been anything, and a pocket of people would have liked or accepted it. Whatever they went for, they can't possibly have thought this would go well with the majority of it's fanbase. The series was mainly for popcorn and a Big Gulp. then at the last minute, it belongs in the little theatre with the artsy crowd discussing it's deepness.

[Taboo]

dreamgazer wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

devSin wrote...

An attempt at what? To create what?

Create was the  wrong word......I apologize.

A disconnect from what was marketable and what they believed they wanted.

They have every right to do what they want and the public has every right to not like it.

That is the creation I've seen. An entirely new animosity and distrust.

Therein lies one of the inherent problems with this experiment, on a practical level: you had no intention of delivering anything at the end of it, so the implication leads into the idea that BioWare actually has no intention to delivering anything---only that they want to confuse until a conflagration point where people stop caring. You don't actually think they're that malicious, do you?

Malicious? No. Human? Yes.

I've seen artists create things that directly antagonize their audiences but Bioware would never be as foolhardy or cruel to do something as such. I believe that they made a mistake and that it hasn't been rectified yet, and that they will hopefully achieve said goal with the EC.

I am however, very bothered by what I see the other employees saying. One person can reflect on the whole of Bioware and they have shown time and time again to handle the situation in a less than satisfactory manner for a great number of people.

[UrgentArchengel]

Taboo-XX wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Bronze65 wrote...

God you people are such idiots.

Sometimes it takes an idiot to get stuff done.

I was called a Communist publicly once.

He can never match that.

Ouch, that must've sucked.

[Taboo]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Stop. Posting. Vague. Sh*t.

Stop giving me vague sh*t to make inferences from.

Just want until Monday when I can properly dicuss what I feel happened.

[Taboo]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Bronze65 wrote...

God you people are such idiots.

Sometimes it takes an idiot to get stuff done.

I was called a Communist publicly once.

He can never match that.

Ouch, that must've sucked.

It sucks. Believe me. Where I live that can ruin your public image. It doesn't really matter that I live in the United States.

[Joe Del Toro]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Stop. Posting. Vague. Sh*t.

Stop giving me vague sh*t to make inferences from.

Just want until Monday when I can properly dicuss what I feel happened.

I literally can't get any more direct than th-oh Jesus wept I give up