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[Kunari801]

macrocarl wrote...

They're busy working on the free EC. We'll hear more about it when they have more to show. Many of the devs have been personally attacked and that's bad. It would wear anyone out. It's mid May. Can't we just be patient?

The attacks are over-the-top.  But they could have opened a dialog with us fans, sure they would be a ton of heat at first, but once that simmered down a open-dialog would have grown into a real conversation with the players and BW.  

[Cecilia L]

Have faith, they will clarify that Shepard is indoctrinated.

All the irrefutable evidence for IT wouldn't be there for no reason. Bioware has done such an amazing job with ME1&2. They simply couldn't drop the ball so bad with ME3. Could they? Probably yes, but I choose to believe they are the same amazing people that brought us our most beloved game series and that they have a Plan with this crap ending.

Maybe a Mass Effect 3:Endgame or a Mass Effect 4?

Man, do I sound like a religious crazy person, but some time people need a little bit of faith to sustain them. IT is my religion.

*mad shouting evangelist voice* OUR SALVATION IS AT HAND!!!

Modifié par Cecilia L, 11 mai 2012 - 06:12 .

[Sisterofshane]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Jenonax wrote...

I just can't get my head around what's going on here.

I mean, what do they think they're doing? This is by far the worst handled debacle I've seen in ages. Everytime I think they can't do something worse they prove me wrong. They screwed up, we pointed it out, they shut down completely, throwing out a free DLC to clarify things, but with a heavy layer of patronization and "Oh look at our 75 perfect scores."

It boggles the mind how badly they are handling this. Its like they're trying to sabotage their own company.

It doesn't make business sense.

Of course, if they were going to create new endings, it would be a full admission of guilt.

The EC is a half-way point.

Sounds to me like it would have been easier to just offer up the clarification here on the BSN, as soon as possible, as opposed to spending a few months to expand the games ending.  From there they would have had a better point of view on whether the endings needed to be changed or not.

If the extended cut ends up being a failure, it will be because of a total lack of communication with their consumers.  And I think I will quietly just stop buying Bioware products.

[macrocarl]

There are a lot of (make sure you're sitting down before you read on) people who are fine and or like the endings. It's true. Here on BSN there are folks who refuse to believe that anyone would like the endings, but it's true!
There are also people who are really grateful that more content is being released soon...... for free. They listened to fans and made decisions on what to do. That includes fans who are excited and positive towards the endings.
How to handle the EC is not a unified front. There's a bunch of different opinions. Yes there are a lot of people who do not like the endings and want them to be retconned, but they're not doing that. Why you ask? Let's just wait and see.

[Taboo]

The implications of failure are so severe..........

It's not even funny.............

[Atakuma]

This is pretty much exclusively a problem of the ME team. The DA devs have been very good at dialoguing with the fanbase despite all of the flack they get. The ME folks on the other hand seem to be completely unwilling or unable to do the same, which is unfortunate.

[Super_Angurius]

Well I can't question them on Twitter, because I don't have a twitter account.

[Kunari801]

Cecilia L wrote...

Have faith, they will clarify that Shepard is indoctrinated.

All the irrefutable evidence for IT wouldn't be there for no reason. Bioware has done such an amazing job with ME1&2. They simply couldn't drop the ball so bad with ME3. Could they? Probably yes, but I choose to believe they are the same amazing people that brought us our most beloved game series and that they have a Plan with this crap ending.

Maybe a Mass Effect 3:Endgame or a Mass Effect 4?

Man, do I sound like a religious crazy person, but some time people need a little bit of faith to sustain them. IT is my religion.

That's why I can't get behind the IT.  They'd have to make a paid-for ME4 or a "part 2" of ME3.   Not that I'd mind, I'd love more adventures with Shepard and crew, but, I can't believe that's what they had in mind. 

[a.m.p]

I have just one question. I want the people who wrote the ending to explain what they were trying to say when they were writing the ending. What were they trying to say by the three options and by limiting the options to these three? What is the message here? Because I honestly don't understand it. And I keep asking whenever the topic comes up and so far it seems neither does anybody else.

Modifié par a.m.p, 11 mai 2012 - 06:16 .

[macrocarl]

Kunari801 wrote...

macrocarl wrote...

They're busy working on the free EC. We'll hear more about it when they have more to show. Many of the devs have been personally attacked and that's bad. It would wear anyone out. It's mid May. Can't we just be patient?

The attacks are over-the-top.  But they could have opened a dialog with us fans, sure they would be a ton of heat at first, but once that simmered down a open-dialog would have grown into a real conversation with the players and BW.  

Well, look at it this way, they were trying to talk to people a couple months ago and BSN went nannerz where devs were getting threatened. If I was them, I'd stop popping by the forums too. Plus if devs hung out on the forums more wouldn't that mean they're either taking time away from DLC stuff and/ or not taking any form of break from development? ?They just got done releasing ME3 and are back in total crunch mode making the EC. They must be exhausted. And! They're doing it for the fans FOR FREE. That's all kinds of awesome.

[Sisterofshane]

Atakuma wrote...

This is pretty much exclusively a problem of the ME team. The DA devs have been very good at dialoguing with the fanbase despite all of the flack they get. The ME folks on the other hand seem to be completely unwilling or unable to do the same, which is unfortunate.

They even come here and have dialogues with us as fans (all thanks to Allan Schumacher for this).

[Taboo]

I have been MORE than supportive of them.

I also believe I have responsibility to treat the fanbase as fairly.

[SolidisusSnake1]

You seem to be misinterpreting what Mr. Priestly is saying. There is a difference between offering criticism and TELLING someone what to do.

For example I may politely point out that I do not think your clothes match very well, at which point you can decide to wear something else or try and adjust your outfit so it does work. This is different from me specifically pulling out your clothes and dressing you myself.

So when they ask what you expect or your thoughts they are looking for criticism such as "it didnt offer closure" or "my decisions had no impact". They are not looking for "Put Tali with Shepard, then get rid of the Star Child and make the ending a conversation with Harbinger, the new choices should be X,Y,Z they should have these specifc effects, and everyone lives."

Modifié par SolidisusSnake1, 11 mai 2012 - 06:19 .

[Cecilia L]

I at least don't believe this whole "clarification" thing is clarufying why starbrat and RGB makes sense, because it doesn't.

They would not spend months of work that does not get them any income from planned DLC making something that would only alienate their most devoted customers even more.

[Thorn Harvestar]

I don't really know what to make of all this either.

I know Bioware is full of talented people, so I am still hopeful for EC. Just wish the wait wasn't so rough

[Taboo]

SolidisusSnake1 wrote...

You seem to be misinterpreting what Mr. Priestly is saying. There is a difference between offering criticism and TELLING someone what to do.

For example I may politely point out that I do not think your clothes match very well, at which point you can decide to wear something else or try and adjust your outfit so it does work. This is different from me specifically pulling out your clothes and dressing you myself.

I understand fully what he is saying.

I am also aware of his belief that the Retake movement was trying to wrestle creative control.

I came here with the intention of critiquing a piece of art.

What I do HAVE are many threads critiquing their game and offering insight onto how I thought they might improve it.

[Kunari801]

macrocarl wrote...

There are a lot of (make sure you're sitting down before you read on) people who are fine and or like the endings. It's true.... 

...How to handle the EC is not a unified front. There's a bunch of different opinions. Yes there are a lot of people who do not like the endings and want them to be retconned, but they're not doing that. Why you ask? Let's just wait and see.

I don't think anyone rational denies there is a portion of the fanbase that likes the endings as is.  Most of them seem to infer a different outcomes of Control, Synthesis, and even Destroy than what others get from the game.   However, I can also say there are those that DO like the ending who refuse to believe that some of us that do NOT were nto looking for a "Rainbows and bunnies" ending.  

I myself did not expect my Shepard to live but I DID expect to be able to save the galaxy (Relays & Citadel included) and as-many-as-possible of the peole Shepard loved.   I expected to die like a hero not a war criminal.  

[webhead921]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The implications of failure are so severe..........

It's not even funny.............

Why are the implications so severe?  I figure if the EC stinks, we're no worse off than we are right now.  Is there something you're not telling us?  Seriously, I have no idea how the film or games industry runs, any insight would be helpful;)

[Taboo]

webhead921 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The implications of failure are so severe..........

It's not even funny.............

Why are the implications so severe?  I figure if the EC stinks, we're no worse off than we are right now.  Is there something you're not telling us?  Seriously, I have no idea how the film or games industry runs, any insight would be helpful;)

I'm intentionally not telling you something because I fear the outcry that it would cause.

[Kunari801]

a.m.p wrote...

I have just one question. I want the people who wrote the ending to explain what they were trying to say when they were writing the ending. What were they trying to say by the three options and by limiting the options to these three? What is the message here? Because I honestly don't understand it. And I keep asking whenever the topic comes up and so far it seems neither does anybody else.

I too have the same questions.  

[SolidisusSnake1]

Kunari801 wrote...

a.m.p wrote...

I have just one question. I want the people who wrote the ending to explain what they were trying to say when they were writing the ending. What were they trying to say by the three options and by limiting the options to these three? What is the message here? Because I honestly don't understand it. And I keep asking whenever the topic comes up and so far it seems neither does anybody else.

I too have the same questions.  

This is why you should have some ray of hope. The reason no one has tried to explain or defend the endings besides the vague PR "artistic integrity" is because they know it is bad. Now hopefully they know how to fix it.

[frylock23]

At this point BioWare comes off like that pretentious college student who writes that "awesome" poetry. I'm sure you all knew one. But when it came time to put up by actually, you know, enrolling in a creative writing workshop class where his or her poetry could be critiqued by his or her peers and literary professor, somehow, he or she never quite got around to that ... But hey, prof X or Y says that my stuff is just totally deep and wonderful.

[MattFini]

Keeping the endings "as is" and simply elucidating around them feels like suicide. It seems like the craziest damn thing they could do.

There's some, ahem, speculation that the 'EC' is a cynical compromise to half-ass an ending explanation where BioWare could then turn to the press and say, "Look, we tried pleasing them but they're not happy with anything."

But I feel like this too would open fresh all of those two month old wounds and create an even greater sh!tstorm than what we got the first time around. The difference? Sales of all future ME3 SP DLC would be jeopardized permanently.

So we're running in circles: what the hell is going on? Franchise suicide or a legitimate salvage attempt that's being masked as clarification?

[Kunari801]

Taboo-XX wrote...

webhead921 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The implications of failure are so severe..........

It's not even funny.............

Why are the implications so severe?  I figure if the EC stinks, we're no worse off than we are right now.  Is there something you're not telling us?  Seriously, I have no idea how the film or games industry runs, any insight would be helpful;)

I'm intentionally not telling you something because I fear the outcry that it would cause.  

Taboo, are you being obtuse on purpose? 

I'd guess they'd want us to buy DLC, ME merchandise (I wanted more models and a N7 leather jacket), and other BW games.  The EC can make/break that at least fo rme. 
It's a hard task as some like the endings as-is, others want closure with their LI and don't care about endings, others want the endings to make sense & closure, others want a complete rewrite, etc.  
Myself:  I want closure and the endings to make sense. --I hope that's not too much to ask.  

[Zolt51]

From Merizan's tweets, she says she can't talk about the ending until an unspecified date. Now this definitly sounds like a PR hush order to me. Weird because I don't think this is sustainable for very long.

Gamble's "expect" tweet is a bit maddening. The problem is that expect has 2 meanings: What one requires, or what one really thinks will happen. Which one is it???