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[Thorn Harvestar]

Let's just relax, guys. I'm glad Taboo is keeping some stuff close to the chest. It's easy to say "go ahead and post, no one here is going to overreact", but it doesn't take more than a short glimpse at other threads in this subforum to see how easily people go off on an accusatory rampage. I believe our thread about Mike Gamble's innocuous tweet of VAs recording dialogue for EC sadly resulted in the tweet being deleted, I'm afraid, because I think it resulted in Mike getting bombarded with messages.

It really is strange how half of what Bioware does hints at this all being part of some clever plan, and the other half seems to say that EC is 100% reactionary.

Modifié par Thorn Harvestar, 12 mai 2012 - 01:57 .

[dreamgazer]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Malicious? No. Human? Yes.

I've seen artists create things that directly antagonize their audiences but Bioware would never be as foolhardy or cruel to do something as such. I believe that they made a mistake and that it hasn't been rectified yet, and that they will hopefully achieve said goal with the EC.

I am however, very bothered by what I see the other employees saying. One person can reflect on the whole of Bioware and they have shown time and time again to handle the situation in a less than satisfactory manner for a great number of people.

And the voice actors are, in your little scenario, in on the deceit? That they're possibly just recording for future DLC and not for the extended cut?

You think the actors are into the idea of intentionally disappointing and misleading fans that have given them a form of steady income for the past few years?

[dreamgazer]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...



Let's just relax, guys. I'm glad Taboo is keeping some stuff close to the chest. It's easy to say "go ahead and post, no one here is going to overreact", but it doesn't take more than a short glimpse at other threads in this subforum to see how easily people go off on an accusatory rampage. I believe our thread about Mike Gamble's innocuous tweet of VAs recording dialogue for EC sadly resulted in the tweet being deleted, I'm afraid, because I think it resulted in Mike getting bombarded with messages.

It really is strange how half of what Bioware does hints at this all being part of some clever plan, and the other half seems to say that EC is 100% reactionary.

I appreciate what you said in the post, but I just wanted to comment on how much I love this image.

[Taboo]

dreamgazer wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Malicious? No. Human? Yes.

I've seen artists create things that directly antagonize their audiences but Bioware would never be as foolhardy or cruel to do something as such. I believe that they made a mistake and that it hasn't been rectified yet, and that they will hopefully achieve said goal with the EC.

I am however, very bothered by what I see the other employees saying. One person can reflect on the whole of Bioware and they have shown time and time again to handle the situation in a less than satisfactory manner for a great number of people.

And the voice actors are, in your little scenario, in on the deceit? That they're possibly just recording for future DLC and not for the extended cut?

You think the actors are into the idea of intentionally disappointing and misleading fans that have given them a form of steady income for the past few years?

No. It isn't the VO actors. They fully understand what the situation is know, which is why we are having things like VA's tweeting about returning.

It wasn't a plot. It was a mistake. One caused by the upper level developers. The people most directly responsible for what is created are to blame, and their disconnect has caused this debacle. People like Patrick Weekes are simply caught in the crossfire.

[Oni Changas]

I kind of felt as if they had been ****ing with us for the longest time. The early tweets teasing us about what they had in store for the future and the dlc ad after the RGB. I can't fathom how anyone would create such great things and knowingly do a 180 and refuse to acknowledge the cause of their problems when all history points to the contrary in regards to their capabilities. So much so that I convinced myself that it was all a farce for April Fool's. Fast forward now, and upon reading this thread, that thought still lingers in my head: "maybe they DO know exactly what they're doing!" It's still kind of malicious, but at least if it's not all bs, I'll have a good laugh. Maybe.

[devSin]

Taboo-XX wrote...

It wasn't a plot. It was a mistake. One caused by the upper level developers. The people most directly responsible for what is created are to blame, and their disconnect has caused this debacle. People like Patrick Weekes are simply caught in the crossfire.

I'll try this another way.

What do you feel would have been the intended result? Assuming somebody came up with this idea and pushed everyone in that direction (whether they were aware of it or not), what would have happened if everything had gone as planned?

You've obviously seen some analog to this in film. What do you think the intent behind such action was?

[Oni Changas]

Now that I've read a little deeper into this thread, I also have that feeling that maybe Thing 1 and Thing 2 wanted to impose their personal visions on the product even if it no longer was relevant to the overarching plot. That perhaps ME started off as one thing, evolved into something different (and probably better), which had caught on and was reinforced in ME2 and most of ME3 until the majority of the writing team were booted off the project's conclusion.

Perhaps I'm thinking too hard?

Modifié par OniTYME, 12 mai 2012 - 02:08 .

[mcgreggers99]

Opsrbest wrote...


It won't affect Casey Hudson in the slightest. The person responsible at the end of the day gave you the entirety of the Mass Effect Series. One of the highest touted shooter RPGs ever. He can literally get a job with any development studio that he want's. ME was and is his baby and without Casey ME never would have existed. It's his brain child, his trustfund, his point of accalode on his resume.

Did he make a mistake with the ending, hell who knows at this point. The only answer that anyone can give to that is one of personal opinion.

But you can bet bottom dollar if Hudson walked he would be picked up from any other Dev Studio in a second. Honestly how much of ME3 is so abysmally bad for most people? It's always the same answer. Casey Hudson has one title that he can literally call his own.  And his first major mistake which if you look at the number of fail games in the indusrty, created a backlash that very few games have ever done.

EA will not let Casey Hudson go, Bioware will never let Casey Hudson go. You do not let asset's like Casey Hudson or anyone on the ME team go at whim.

Preach it.

*SLOW CLAP*

[Taboo]

OniTYME wrote...

Now that I've read a little deeper into this thread, I also have that feeling that maybe Thing 1 and Thing 2 wanted to impose their personal visions on the product even if it no longer was relevant to the overarching plot. That perhaps ME started off as one thing, evolved into something different (and probably better), which had caught on and was reinforced in ME2 and most of ME3 until the majority of the writing team were booted off the project's conclusion.

Perhaps I'm thinking too hard?

There are more Things involved than you state.

The Things however were not malicious in intent but one very capable of error, one that has caused a severe problem.

[Taboo]

Do not use Orson Welles in a capacity in which you have misunderstood.

It has nothing to do with Hudson being fired. I don't want him fired and never have.

[Mylia Stenetch]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Do not use Orson Welles in a capacity in which you have misunderstood.

It has nothing to do with Hudson being fired. I don't want him fired and never have.

That gif is a common meme on the internet used by people when they want to applaud a post. If you want to start doing that better go tell the internet to stop. 

[Taboo]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Do not use Orson Welles in a capacity in which you have misunderstood.

It has nothing to do with Hudson being fired. I don't want him fired and never have.

That gif is a common meme on the internet used by people when they want to applaud a post. If you want to start doing that better go tell the internet to stop. 

I know.

I simply believe Orson deserves better.

[Balmung31]

Taboo-XX wrote...

No. It isn't the VO actors. They fully understand what the situation is know, which is why we are having things like VA's tweeting about returning.

It wasn't a plot. It was a mistake. One caused by the upper level developers. The people most directly responsible for what is created are to blame, and their disconnect has caused this debacle. People like Patrick Weekes are simply caught in the crossfire.

This is something I saw coming once I saw the fire start spreading about the endings shortly after the game's release. 

I know there are some very good and talented people who were involved in the game like Weekes and the VAs.  I enjoyed the game for the most part.  I could FEEL how much they put into this game. 

Then the ending happened.  And now these people have to suffer the consequeces when they weren't really that involved in the ending. 

Modifié par Balmung31, 12 mai 2012 - 02:17 .

[Taboo]

Gamble and Weekes have been the real troopers in this. Hudson and Walters have boggled my mind beyond comprehension.

I don't believe it was malicious but I also believe that they are at fault and should be taken into account for it.

[Oni Changas]

I thought Weekes was universally liked by BSN and other fans in general? Especially with that drill sergeant thread with a reworded quote from ME2?

[Taboo]

OniTYME wrote...

I thought Weekes was universally liked by BSN and other fans in general? Especially with that drill sergeant thread with a reworded quote from ME2?

Weekes and Gamble are the only two I have seen take any amount of responsibility in this debacle, at least publicly. Whatever happened is up to them to fix and I know they can do it.

[Spatchmo]

Speaking of communication between Bioware staff and their fans, is it true that Stanley Woo called Mass Effect fans basement dwelling nerds, or was that a photoshop?

[MrDbow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Do not use Orson Welles in a capacity in which you have misunderstood.

It has nothing to do with Hudson being fired. I don't want him fired and never have.

That gif is a common meme on the internet used by people when they want to applaud a post. If you want to start doing that better go tell the internet to stop. 

I know.

I simply believe Orson deserves better.

Is this better?

[Taboo]

Spatchmo wrote...

Speaking of communication between Bioware staff and their fans, is it true that Stanley Woo called Mass Effect fans basement dwelling nerds, or was that a photoshop?

As it turns out Mr. Epler confirmed it to be fake.

Although Mr. Woo hasn't been around much since his statement about the endings not being red,blue and green were thrown in his face.

As for being a basement dwelling nerd, that is only half true.

I am the nerd that pays boo koo bucks on Bioware's things.

[dreamgazer]

Taboo-XX wrote...

It wasn't a plot. It was a mistake. One caused by the upper level developers. The people most directly responsible for what is created are to blame, and their disconnect has caused this debacle. People like Patrick Weekes are simply caught in the crossfire.

There's an analogy problem with your experiment, Taboo-XX: the actual existence of a reward.  Are you really under the impression that an extended cut will not happen---that things like this and the VOs confirming work at a crucial time are just methods of yanking our chains?  Because it would be worth the speculating, the lore-digging, the debating and the PR speak if the FREE pot of gold at the end of the rainbow actually exists and offers additional content. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 12 mai 2012 - 02:28 .

[Taboo]

SimplyNeo wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Do not use Orson Welles in a capacity in which you have misunderstood.

It has nothing to do with Hudson being fired. I don't want him fired and never have.

That gif is a common meme on the internet used by people when they want to applaud a post. If you want to start doing that better go tell the internet to stop. 

I know.

I simply believe Orson deserves better.

Is this better?

(SNIP)

Oh f*ck. Please do not ever post that again.

Garey Busey's face on Orson Welles 

[Taboo]

dreamgazer wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

It wasn't a plot. It was a mistake. One caused by the upper level developers. The people most directly responsible for what is created are to blame, and their disconnect has caused this debacle. People like Patrick Weekes are simply caught in the crossfire.

There's an analogy problem with your experiment, Taboo-XX: the actual existence of a reward.  Are you really under the impression that an extended cut will not happen---that things like this and the VOs confirming work at a crucial time are just methods of yanking our chains?  Because it would be worth the speculating, the lore-digging, and the debating if the FREE pot of gold at the end of the rainbow actually existed and offered additional content. 

No. The EC is going to happen and I know it will. I simply believe that the higher ups were in a bit of a daze and the fans getting pissy snapped them out of it.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 12 mai 2012 - 02:28 .

[MrDbow]

Taboo-XX wrote...

SimplyNeo wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Do not use Orson Welles in a capacity in which you have misunderstood.

It has nothing to do with Hudson being fired. I don't want him fired and never have.

That gif is a common meme on the internet used by people when they want to applaud a post. If you want to start doing that better go tell the internet to stop. 

I know.

I simply believe Orson deserves better.

Is this better?

(SNIP)

Oh f*ck. Please do not ever post that again.

Garey Busey's face on Orson Welles 

My Bad....

I'll stop now... back to more intelligent discussions and posts that I am really enjoying reading.

[Taboo]

Yes.....the discussion has devolved a bit.

I apologize and take full responsibility for that.

[dreamgazer]

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

It wasn't a plot. It was a mistake. One caused by the upper level developers. The people most directly responsible for what is created are to blame, and their disconnect has caused this debacle. People like Patrick Weekes are simply caught in the crossfire.

There's an analogy problem with your experiment, Taboo-XX: the actual existence of a reward. Are you really under the impression that an extended cut will not happen---that things like this and the VOs confirming work at a crucial time are just methods of yanking our chains? Because it would be worth the speculating, the lore-digging, and the debating if the FREE pot of gold at the end of the rainbow actually existed and offered additional content.

No. The EC is going to happen and I know it will. I simply believe that the higher ups were in a bit of a daze and the fans getting pissy snapped them out of it.

You're still working with a few significant analogy inconsistencies---the difference between intentional and unintentional deceit being the big one---but you got your point across, I suppose.