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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

All I know is that we're not going to get anything but speculation and we'll disappoint ourselves going through this stuff. It's not helping us. We see a "leak" on twitter and it's "news", and it contradicts what we've heard elsewhere. Or we hear one thing on twitter from one person, then we hear something entirely different from someone else on twitter. I don't follow tweets.

I think people post **** there just to keep things stirred up some sometimes. I can't take anything I see there seriously. For example, I didn't know we were supposed to follow twitter to find out that certain characters were killed off. Why can't they do that stuff in the damned game? How much does it cost to have that news guy on the monitor mention one line about Emily Wong for example? Shoddy. Just shoddy.

So I'll know the truth about the EC when the EC comes out. That's the same with any of us. It's going to be one of the following: a) a big surprise that adds some fantastic content we weren't expecting at all. nothing but a clarification with some redone cutscenes and an epilogue talking through some closure that helps make sense out of what happened and ends the speculation depending upon what ending you chose and some of the choices you made. c) a big disappointment that does virtually nothing. d) something between b & c. I'm expecting anything from b through d. Don't get your hopes up for "a".

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

No...to be honest I do believe there is some malicious attempt. Get as much money as possible through misleading statements, then when they see hardcore fans like us leave them they'll just try to replace us by appealing to larger audiences.

[mcgreggers99]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Do not use Orson Welles in a capacity in which you have misunderstood.

It has nothing to do with Hudson being fired. I don't want him fired and never have.

That gif is a common meme on the internet used by people when they want to applaud a post. If you want to start doing that better go tell the internet to stop. 

I know.

I simply believe Orson deserves better.

Citizen Kane is undoubtedly the greates motion picture ever made, but common...Orson was only human. His last motion picture role was Unicron in the Transformers Animated Movie in the 80's.

I respect him, but that's an ironic way to take a bow after such an amazing career.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Also, I hate citizen kane. I blame my high school art teacher for that.

[mcgreggers99]

For the record I think one of the most damning things is that both Walters and Hudson have been completely off the radar since March. NOT. A. PEEP.

I respect the hell out of both of them creatively, but this fire was probably lit by them with a lack of peer review. Maybe they made promises that they couldn't keep. We may never know the full story, but it would make one hell of a documentary.

[mcgreggers99]

I am very curious to see what you come up with for Monday Taboo-- don't worry we won't flame you, people around here are really just searching for ideas and answers...even if we don't like what we find, I think the truth is what we want.

[calvinocious]

mcgreggers99 wrote...

For the record I think one of the most damning things is that both Walters and Hudson have been completely off the radar since March. NOT. A. PEEP.

I respect the hell out of both of them creatively, but this fire was probably lit by them with a lack of peer review. Maybe they made promises that they couldn't keep. We may never know the full story, but it would make one hell of a documentary.

We'll know, one day. Probably not for a long, long time, but someone knows the answers. They won't stay hidden forever.

[Taboo]

dreamgazer wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

It wasn't a plot. It was a mistake. One caused by the upper level developers. The people most directly responsible for what is created are to blame, and their disconnect has caused this debacle. People like Patrick Weekes are simply caught in the crossfire.

There's an analogy problem with your experiment, Taboo-XX: the actual existence of a reward. Are you really under the impression that an extended cut will not happen---that things like this and the VOs confirming work at a crucial time are just methods of yanking our chains? Because it would be worth the speculating, the lore-digging, and the debating if the FREE pot of gold at the end of the rainbow actually existed and offered additional content.

No. The EC is going to happen and I know it will. I simply believe that the higher ups were in a bit of a daze and the fans getting pissy snapped them out of it.

You're still working with a few significant analogy inconsistencies---the difference between intentional and unintentional deceit being the big one---but you got your point across, I suppose.

There is no malicious deceit directed towards the fanbase. This is exactely why I told you to wait until Monday.

[Taboo]

What was created was unmarketable to the hardcore fanbase. What was written and then directed was flawed. Further along down the line someone should have said something.

Had EA known this would have been the outcome they would have made the endings change.

EA very much cares about money, but it would rather earn a steady stream over a course of many weeks than all at once and then very little.

[mcgreggers99]

I've been around these forums for a looooong time, this is generally speaking the most hopeless people have ever been here on the BSN. I agree that the created ending was unmarketable. So why did they tell us that we were getting something completely different than we got? They made promises....a lot of promises. They shouted them from the roof tops only to turn around and give us the exact opposite. It's really sad. I just really want to hope that they can pull the proverbial rabbit out of their hat this summer.

Modifié par mcgreggers99, 12 mai 2012 - 03:10 .

[mcgreggers99]

double post.

Modifié par mcgreggers99, 12 mai 2012 - 03:10 .

[Thornne]

Taboo-XX wrote...
Had EA known this would have been the outcome they would have made the endings change.

Had they known the outcome, undoubtedly.  But it is certainly possible that the Bioware team felt the ending needed work, but someone at EA decided "ME3 ships on time. Period.  I don't care what the ending looks like."

I really am dying to find out the hows and whys, some day.  Should be an interesting story on its own.

[frylock23]

I'm wondering if there isn't some kind of infighting taking place inside BioWare Edmonton (?) with all the conflicting statements that seem to come out. Some people say one thing others say something completely different and no one seems to know for sure what's really going on. Either it's all a brilliant play or they're receiving conflicting reports from inside.

[LinksOcarina]

Thornne wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Had EA known this would have been the outcome they would have made the endings change.

Had they known the outcome, undoubtedly.  But it is certainly possible that the Bioware team felt the ending needed work, but someone at EA decided "ME3 ships on time. Period.  I don't care what the ending looks like."

I really am dying to find out the hows and whys, some day.  Should be an interesting story on its own.

I doubt it, since the game got delayed already to March 6 from a November release I believe.

[Flyprdu]

I have half a notion I've spent the last 45 minutes catching up on a thread written by a schizophrenic suffering a bad bout of paranoia. I want to believe you Taboo, but you're straining credibility. And I'm starting to imagine you with a pretty scraggly beard.

Care to share your opinions on the government?

[Taboo]

Flyprdu wrote...

I have half a notion I've spent the last 45 minutes catching up on a thread written by a schizophrenic suffering a bad bout of paranoia. I want to believe you Taboo, but you're straining credibility. And I'm starting to imagine you with a pretty scraggly beard.

Care to share your opinions on the government?

Oh, man I wish I had schizophrenia because it I could receive medication and treatment directly. I want to gather as much information as I can and present it to you in the best form possible. I DO have Obesessive Compilsive Disorder, which is why I refuse to give you anything less than my best. Yes, it causes problems but the disconnect that occurs when I don't think it out is far worse. I'm never completely happy with anything I create but I try my damndest to make it work for people.

I also shaved today.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 12 mai 2012 - 03:51 .

[Taboo]

frylock23 wrote...

I'm wondering if there isn't some kind of infighting taking place inside BioWare Edmonton (?) with all the conflicting statements that seem to come out. Some people say one thing others say something completely different and no one seems to know for sure what's really going on. Either it's all a brilliant play or they're receiving conflicting reports from inside.

They had not reachead a consensus by PAX. The people on the panel couldn't figure out what happened in which ending.

Bad news.

[soulprovider]

We should always be asking questions, the day we start accepting something at face value is the day we fail as a race, the problem is that bioware did not anticipate the questioning of the face value ending. It seems more and more obvious by the passing day every time I come on to these forums to see if there is any communication at all from bioware about ME3 and there plans for the EC and to see if there are some actual answeres about the ending, I instead find threads like this

http://social.biowar...11995906-1.html



and then I find videos like this on youtube and it makes me realize where the focus was the entire time, the multiplayer and microtransactions

 

Modifié par soulprovider, 12 mai 2012 - 04:16 .

[indyracing]

Opsrbest wrote...


It won't affect Casey Hudson in the slightest. The person responsible at the end of the day gave you the entirety of the Mass Effect Series. One of the highest touted shooter RPGs ever. He can literally get a job with any development studio that he want's. ME was and is his baby and without Casey ME never would have existed. It's his brain child, his trustfund, his point of accalode on his resume.

Did he make a mistake with the ending, hell who knows at this point. The only answer that anyone can give to that is one of personal opinion.

But you can bet bottom dollar if Hudson walked he would be picked up from any other Dev Studio in a second. Honestly how much of ME3 is so abysmally bad for most people? It's always the same answer. Casey Hudson has one title that he can literally call his own.  And his first major mistake which if you look at the number of fail games in the indusrty, created a backlash that very few games have ever done.

EA will not let Casey Hudson go, Bioware will never let Casey Hudson go. You do not let asset's like Casey Hudson or anyone on the ME team go at whim.

The thing about this, for me, is that I will never believe Hudson (or Gamble) again.  They lie.  They said that very specific things categorically wouldn't be there, but were (no A, B or C choice for an end), and said that things would be there that weren't (your decisions matter, etc).

I don't know how it's disputable that these two people have lied about this game (after it went gold, and even a month after release, in the case of Gamble and the free/320 point DLC thing).

So for me, anything that Hudson touches is something I will simply never buy.  Ever.  I don't know how alone I am in that feeling, but his next Bioware project will see no money from me (as someone who, at this point, has purchased everything Bioware has made, barring a few item DLCs in ME 1 and 2).

Same goes for Walters - IMO he's a bad writer, so why would I ever want to play anything he writes, ever?

As for Gamble - I don't know the purpose of this person other than to spout off PR lies, so can't really comment, and that Duane Webb guy seems like a bit of a D-bag from his comments.

But back to the Hudson point - you may be correct in that, in the industry, he may be viewed as golden, but I don't see why he should be.  Maybe his next project won't end in a retarded fashion - I don't know.  But I'll read about it, not pay money and then play it.

[Taboo]

The problem isn't Hudson's marketability in the industry.

It's his credibility to fans.

[Zulmoka531]

soulprovider wrote...

We should always be asking questions, the day we start accepting something at face value is the day we fail as a race, the problem is that bioware did not anticipate the questioning of the face value ending. It seems more and more obvious by the passing day every time I come on to these forums to see if there is any communication at all from bioware about ME3 and there plans for the EC and to see if there are some actual answeres about the ending, I instead find threads like this

http://social.biowar...11995906-1.html

What's the point in them specifying? We are all apparently too stupid to understand anything and they would just stand there like a moody high school kid trying to teach their 80 yr old grandparent how to e-mail, getting pissy when they used a comma instead of a period in the adress.

Sarcasm intented.

[indyracing]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Thornne wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Had EA known this would have been the outcome they would have made the endings change.

Had they known the outcome, undoubtedly.  But it is certainly possible that the Bioware team felt the ending needed work, but someone at EA decided "ME3 ships on time. Period.  I don't care what the ending looks like."

I really am dying to find out the hows and whys, some day.  Should be an interesting story on its own.

I doubt it, since the game got delayed already to March 6 from a November release I believe.

There's a part of me that hopes this is a big FU by Bioware to EA.  I seriously doubt that's the case, but the only way I can see someone coming up with such a bad ending to such a highly loved and anticipated game would be intentionally.  The in-your-face lies pre-launch (but post-gold) indicate that, because how could Bioware have said things that turned out to be so blatantly untrue?

The other alternative (the one that looks to be true on the surface) is that quite a few people at Bioware simply have no integrity (artistic or otherwise).  I don't want to believe that, but all the evidence points to this being the truth, sadly.

[Taboo]

Chaos reigns.

I am more appalled that Mr. Hudson and Walters have simply disappeared from the public eye completely and left everyone else to the wolves. They could post a tweet now and then and prevent people from commenting on it. To you know, prove that they haven't retreated to the Albanian Alps.

[delta_vee]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Chaos reigns.

I am more appalled that Mr. Hudson and Walters have simply disappeared from the public eye completely and left everyone else to the wolves. They could post a tweet now and then and prevent people from commenting on it. To you know, prove that they haven't retreated to the Albanian Alps.

It seems to me their retreat is closer to exile while others clean up their mess.

[Taboo]

delta_vee wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Chaos reigns.

I am more appalled that Mr. Hudson and Walters have simply disappeared from the public eye completely and left everyone else to the wolves. They could post a tweet now and then and prevent people from commenting on it. To you know, prove that they haven't retreated to the Albanian Alps.

It seems to me their retreat is closer to exile while others clean up their mess.

I'll be addressing this explicitly on Monday. This is what makes me the most depressed.

How's that for not being cryptic?