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[Taboo]

Richard 060 wrote...

Just in case you want another: Pedro Almodóvar. Dunno if that'll be of any use, but...

I haven't seen anything from Almodovar but I like the way you think!

I need to see The Skin I Live In.

[M0keys]

*slaps forehead*

Alfonso Cuaron.

[Taboo]

M0keys wrote...

*slaps forehead*

Alfonso Cuaron.

Enjoys long takes.

Can be seen in films like Children of Men.

I use long takes myself. Not common today as the average shot length is two seconds.

[ShepnTali]

Joel Coen

[Taboo]

The Coen Brothers.

Enjoy dark humor.

Very concerned with what is and is not evil

Unsurprisingly they know how to end a film.

RE: No Country for Old Men.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 13 mai 2012 - 05:16 .

[M0keys]

No Country for Old Men is a great example of how to do a bleak ending the right way. You still have to say something with your ending, and they definitely did that.

[Taboo]

M0keys wrote...

No Country for Old Men is a great example of how to do a bleak ending the right way. You still have to say something with your ending, and they definitely did that.

[ShepnTali]

Lucio Fulci... minimalist snoozers with great set pieces.

I'd say Romero but he can't compete with himself these days.

[edisnooM]

Sorry just popped in, but if I am correct that you are asking for directors that are very distinctive in their work may I suggest Terry Gilliam?

[MattFini]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ah, yes Burton. I like him. He's fun.

He could however be overtaken by del Toro. Both employ a Gothic sense of horror and wonder in their films.

I do love that Sweeney Todd though......

Allow me to cast a vote for John Carpenter.

[MattFini]

ShepnTali wrote...

Lucio Fulci... minimalist snoozers with great set pieces.

I'd say Romero but he can't compete with himself these days.

I love Fulci, tho Dario Argento is probably the better choice. His style is unmistakable.

[Mcfly616]

Notice all these bleak endings you speak of are standalone titles and the final part of a trilogy? Just another reason ME3s ending is out of place

[soulprovider]

SpiritWolf448 wrote...

Yes, in some interviews, EA had "server upkeep" as one of the reasons for the Online Pass.

in fact if I remember correctly a lot of people were behind EA's decision on online passes wonder where those peopel are now, you know that one who claimed that used gaming was the death of the industry and that the corporations had ot do this to maintain their servers, hmmmm is that crickets I here in the back round.............whos got egg on tere face now.

[SpiritWolf448]

soulprovider wrote...

SpiritWolf448 wrote...

Yes, in some interviews, EA had "server upkeep" as one of the reasons for the Online Pass.

in fact if I remember correctly a lot of people were behind EA's decision on online passes wonder where those peopel are now, you know that one who claimed that used gaming was the death of the industry and that the corporations had ot do this to maintain their servers, hmmmm is that crickets I here in the back round.............whos got egg on tere face now.

Really depends where you were looking. 
On most european sites I read, people were pretty pissed with EA's plans even back then when they first anounced them. Not all, of course, but I do think it is safe to say that it was a majority. As for US based sites, no idea, don't usually read them.

@topic
Looking forward to your next train of thought on monday, Taboo. While I cannot claim to be able to follow all your various avenues of thought (I know too little about movies to be able to), I certainly enjoy reading waht you come up with. Gives me new ways to look at things. Because, hell, as you said yourself, EAs behaviour isn't really making sense at first glance.

[Lawrence0294]

How about christopher nolan. There is defenittly some repeated patterns in his movies.

[d1ta]

I'm no movie expert, but I love Kurosawa.. I watched "Dreams" when I was still in college, got stuck with it ever since..

[Taboo]

Thanks for all the help guys, I really appreciate it. I'm here to give you a quick update on what I'm doing and what you can expect to see.

I thought I'd talk about a project I'm working on and all the compromises I'll have to do to get it made, including the way I'm going to make it and where I can expect to see it. I'll also be telling you why I'm so wary of producers (I have some........ unpleasant stories) but I also have some good news to come out of all of this, because some great people have stepped up to plate.

I also learned from a very reliable source about what Pete Townsend (The Who) has been doing recently. But you'll have to wait until Monday to hear about that. Actually I'm really just telling everyone who will listen because I'm terrible.

And as much as I like Zombies I don't think I'll be going for Fulci on Monday as no one really wants to hear about that eye gouging scene in Zombi 2.

[Goaliebot]

I'm late to this thread, but I'm starting to think along the lines of my own personal theory (opinion):

There's only one reason to cheese off a loyal, but not terribly large "RPG nerd" fandom, and it's the same reason for everything in the end: profit.

So how does alienating a huge chunk of one's current fandom lead to increased profits?

By opening the door for an even more profitable fandom to take over as target audience.

It's the only scenario that makes sense to me anymore. Thanks for the ME1/ME2 times, old-school RPG ME fans, but we're done. There's bigger audiences out there we want to target now, not your smaller demographic.

So who is the new audience for ME games?

Well there's 2 holy grails of profit in gaming: WoW and COD.

Are they after one? Or both?

WoW means MMO ME is next, but I wonder if Star Wars MMO has shaped their choice of whether to go after that or not.

So COD... fits with the general direction of the ME3 MP. Is the next game 90% MP and a simple, action story for SP like the COD games?

In either case, you're after a new audience. You might get carry over from the old RPG fandom into an MMO, but it also limits you to cater to them. Worse with a COD game as you need to free yourself from any restraints of the "lore" that the RPG-ers would cry about.

So you release a hybrid game that closes the door on the old RPG fandom and opens the door to the new audience(s).

A controversial ending that alienates most of the RPG-heads serves multiple purposes:

1) Alienate the old school fans before the next game, so they aren't screaming when ME MMO or ME COD drops. They're already gone.

2) DO generate some media coverage. Fine line, you can't be perceived as a failure, but controversy and stories generate brand awareness.

3) Street cred. COD fans especially are going to find "alienated RPG nerds" an attractive quality. "We got too hardcore action for the nerds! BRING THE RAIN!".

You have a franchise with brand recognition, but it's stuck with the RPG nerd crowd. You need to reach the big audiences: WoW types and COD types. You need the RPG nerds to go away. You need buzz and brand recognition.

So you create an ending that sets the ground for all this.

Why the EC? Well it comes back to that fine line between leaving 2 years of lingering brand awareness and buzz, vs the risk of leaving a perception of having failed. So you put out an EC which stands by the original ending and you can say "see? there's no pleasing these RPG nerds. We tried."

2 years later the general public just remember "oh yeah that Mass Effect stuff. I remember a lot of buzz about that". The RPG nerds have long since moved on to something else and won't make a fuss at ME-COD 4 ONLINE WAR being released.

Profit.


/ All my own personal opinions and musings. Your mileage may vary. Consult a doctor before starting any new diet or exercise program. Results not typical.

[EagleScoutDJB]

 While I don't much care for Mr. Priestly or the double talk we've been getting from EA and BIoware, he is at least trying to show that some people at Bioware still care.
http://www.holdtheli...ended-cut.1672/
And yes that is really him.

[Peranor]

Goaliebot wrote...

I'm late to this thread, but I'm starting to think along the lines of my own personal theory (opinion):

There's only one reason to cheese off a loyal, but not terribly large "RPG nerd" fandom, and it's the same reason for everything in the end: profit.

So how does alienating a huge chunk of one's current fandom lead to increased profits?

By opening the door for an even more profitable fandom to take over as target audience.

It's the only scenario that makes sense to me anymore. Thanks for the ME1/ME2 times, old-school RPG ME fans, but we're done. There's bigger audiences out there we want to target now, not your smaller demographic.

So who is the new audience for ME games?

Well there's 2 holy grails of profit in gaming: WoW and COD.

Are they after one? Or both?

WoW means MMO ME is next, but I wonder if Star Wars MMO has shaped their choice of whether to go after that or not.

So COD... fits with the general direction of the ME3 MP. Is the next game 90% MP and a simple, action story for SP like the COD games?

In either case, you're after a new audience. You might get carry over from the old RPG fandom into an MMO, but it also limits you to cater to them. Worse with a COD game as you need to free yourself from any restraints of the "lore" that the RPG-ers would cry about.

So you release a hybrid game that closes the door on the old RPG fandom and opens the door to the new audience(s).

A controversial ending that alienates most of the RPG-heads serves multiple purposes:

1) Alienate the old school fans before the next game, so they aren't screaming when ME MMO or ME COD drops. They're already gone.

2) DO generate some media coverage. Fine line, you can't be perceived as a failure, but controversy and stories generate brand awareness.

3) Street cred. COD fans especially are going to find "alienated RPG nerds" an attractive quality. "We got too hardcore action for the nerds! BRING THE RAIN!".

You have a franchise with brand recognition, but it's stuck with the RPG nerd crowd. You need to reach the big audiences: WoW types and COD types. You need the RPG nerds to go away. You need buzz and brand recognition.

So you create an ending that sets the ground for all this.

Why the EC? Well it comes back to that fine line between leaving 2 years of lingering brand awareness and buzz, vs the risk of leaving a perception of having failed. So you put out an EC which stands by the original ending and you can say "see? there's no pleasing these RPG nerds. We tried."

2 years later the general public just remember "oh yeah that Mass Effect stuff. I remember a lot of buzz about that". The RPG nerds have long since moved on to something else and won't make a fuss at ME-COD 4 ONLINE WAR being released.

Profit.


/ All my own personal opinions and musings. Your mileage may vary. Consult a doctor before starting any new diet or exercise program. Results not typical.

I think you are right. They are trying to shift the fan base to increase profit. It makes sense.

The Mass Effect franchise as we know it is dead and buried. And that is what BioWare wanted all along. All we have seen with the endings points at this. Im just surprised they didn't include a shovel in the collectors edition of ME3 to make the point even clearer.

I don't think they are going to take Mass Effect down the MMO road as long as SWTOR is up and running. So what we have left is a FPS-shooter.
We'll see other games set in the Mass Effect universe. But it will just be some soulless games with a Mass Effect label slapped on them to help sell. Maybe even a RTS, but more likely, as I said, some pure FPS-shooter with lots of pew-pew and big explosions. Cheaper to produce and generates more income (sadly).

[Oransel]

I heavily doubt ME3 ending is franchise abandoning RPG lore (heavily successful as it is) in favor of COD style. It won't generate profit at all. Even if ME will go COD road it is no match or competition for COD, Halo or Battlefield as a shooter. CoD and WoW kids will play CoD and WoW, not Mass Effect shooter. Possible gain from turning RPG franchise into shooter one is almost zero as competition will be too hard to take, bad publicity will stay even among casual players due to such a betrayal (RPG guys won't dissapear from existence).
EA have Battlefield, they do not need competitor to it on the expense of ruining cashcow RPG franchise. It makes no business sense. Maybe someone went utterly crazy at EA, but I don't think so.

[ShepnTali]

Taboo-XX wrote...



And as much as I like Zombies I don't think I'll be going for Fulci on Monday as no one really wants to hear about that eye gouging scene in Zombi 2.

Party pooper.

[Taboo]

ShepnTali wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...



And as much as I like Zombies I don't think I'll be going for Fulci on Monday as no one really wants to hear about that eye gouging scene in Zombi 2.

Party pooper.

I've already talked about Antichrist and what happens to both Mr. Dafoe's and Miss Gainsbourg's privates in that film. Nothing will ever match that.

Except perhaps..............Caligula. :sick:

[The Vanquished1]

Atakuma wrote...

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Mev186 wrote...

You know what. I'm done with this company. I'm sick and tired of them treating their fans with open contempt. They don't have to change their ending., I also don't have to buy any more of their products. When your company goes belly up I hope you remember why it happened, it was because you bit the hands that fed you.

They do no such thing, and even if they did, it would make sense seeing as how many of their "fans" treat them.

They flat out lied to their consumers multiple times before the game came out, even mere weeks before it came out then treated their consumers with contempt and derision when those consumers called them on it. Mev's summary is not innacurate to their behavior. 

All those threads were filled with contempt and derision, but it wasn't coming from bioware. All they did was lock them down when they got outright nasty. I'm so sick of this rediculous mentality that those like you have. It's not enough to dislike something and voice your criticism, no, you have to act like your being victimized by the evil bioware.

 The OP seems to be pretty gracious yet you still persist in trying to discredit him at every turn.  BTW your annoying avatar and suspecting demeanor go hand in hand.  I mean that with all due respect of course. *bites fist and giggles.

[Taboo]

To reiterate a point I've made time and time again Vanquished, I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me. I do have an issue when they dive in throw a pie at me and then get angry when I don't answer them right away. If I have appeared to be ungracious I apologize, but please do not think that I don't care about what you have to say, I just need time to respond to everyone. I don't do this to be malicious, I do it because I wanted to have a discussion.