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Zolt51 wrote...

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From Merizan's tweets, she says she can't talk about the ending until an unspecified date. Now this definitly sounds like a PR hush order to me. Weird because I don't think this is sustainable for very long.

Gamble's "expect" tweet is a bit maddening. The problem is that expect has 2 meanings: What one requires, or what one really thinks will happen. Which one is it???


I can not express my expectations in 140 characters.  Maybe a link to a post...  :blush:


You can do better than that: Fill in this survey,
http://goo.gl/z4gVs 
Then tweet the results
http://goo.gl/uw3Mx 
140 characters: easy peasy.



Already took it a few days ago, I'm suprised there isn't more responses by now.  

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Atakuma wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

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bioware owes no apologies or explainations


Then they are not artists.

The Cannes film festival allows this and they are far, far better artists.



No artist is required to explain or apologize for their work, they can, but saying you can't be considered an artist if you don't is rediculous.


Were you at the Cannes film festival for the Lars von Trier Antichrist debacle? Were you there for the madness that that caused? Do you have ANY idea what the ramifications of von Trier saying "I don't have to explain anything to you" were?

The artist has a responsibility. THAT is why they have these Q and A screenings. They exist for the SOLE purpose of allowing people to ask questions.

People are always entitled to ask.

Yes I do, they were nothing. Von Trier is doing even better now than he was before.


No you obviously don't.

Lars von Trier is persona non grata after his last Cannes debacle with Melancholia. He is now shooting a hardcore porno entitled Nymphomaniac.

His Antichrist debacle was the beginning of the end. He stonewalled the audience and was treated as such. People despise that.

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d1ta wrote...

I wish my heart would just let me give up Bioware for good.. But with this EC going on, it feels like constantly being pit between 2 opposing emotions: one is being HOPE that EC's going to be good and the other is FEAR that the EC will hurt me more.


Hope and Fear.

That just about nails it.

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I won't dare to have any hope towards the EC. Some of us feel betrayed and ignored. Some even feel like they had been made fun of by certain spokespersons from Bioware.

We were promised a lot of things, yet they never were delivered. When we asked why, we got ignored. When we were too many to be ignored, we were treated like spoiled children.

Unless some of the important questions are answered truthfully, with answers that are not evading the question or without any real content, I won't be satisfied with an EC providing "clarity and closure" only. I am almost counting on Bioware to disappoint (us) me again. But this time I'll be ready for it.

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Jsxdf wrote...

bioware owes no apologies or explainations


Then they do owe me $84.80. Failure to deliver a product as described is gorunds for a refund in every other case. BioWare didn't deliver the product they spent months describing.

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That's why I can't get behind the IT. They'd have to make a paid-for ME4 or a "part 2" of ME3. Not that I'd mind, I'd love more adventures with Shepard and crew, but, I can't believe that's what they had in mind.


Kunari, let me introduce you to Capcom.


I never said it doesn't happen, but IIRC it'd be a first for BW and could anger people again to find out that ME3 was only "half the game".   Before the ending explosion of anger, there was the Day-One-DLC anger.   

I myself have said that ME3 was too big to do in one game and it should have been split up, but if that is their plan, it shouldn't have been hidden.   

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Jsxdf wrote...

bioware owes no apologies or explainations


Then they are not artists.

The Cannes film festival allows this and they are far, far better artists.



No artist is required to explain or apologize for their work, they can, but saying you can't be considered an artist if you don't is rediculous.


Were you at the Cannes film festival for the Lars von Trier Antichrist debacle? Were you there for the madness that that caused? Do you have ANY idea what the ramifications of von Trier saying "I don't have to explain anything to you" were?

The artist has a responsibility. THAT is why they have these Q and A screenings. They exist for the SOLE purpose of allowing people to ask questions.

People are always entitled to ask.



And lets be honest here. BioWare may think that they are Van Gogh and Pablo Picasso wowen in to one. But in the end its just another company owned by shareholders. In the end it's all about the money.
They are allowed to create their art because we think it's good enough to pay for.

BioWare can of course say "we don't have to explain anything to you, so stfu and stop threatening our artistic integrity." and then there isn't much more we can do then to say "Lets take all this artistic integrity and have BioWare pay the bills with it instead of money".

It is in their best interest to listen to the fans.
Saying "bioware owes no apologies or explainations" is just stupid unless you really want the company to fail.


Do not confuse a company owned by shareholders with a real artist with real artistic integrity.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Jsxdf wrote...

bioware owes no apologies or explainations


Then they are not artists.

The Cannes film festival allows this and they are far, far better artists.



No artist is required to explain or apologize for their work, they can, but saying you can't be considered an artist if you don't is rediculous.


Were you at the Cannes film festival for the Lars von Trier Antichrist debacle? Were you there for the madness that that caused? Do you have ANY idea what the ramifications of von Trier saying "I don't have to explain anything to you" were?

The artist has a responsibility. THAT is why they have these Q and A screenings. They exist for the SOLE purpose of allowing people to ask questions.

People are always entitled to ask.


They have accepted and listened to criticism; they're just not bending to the whims of angry naysayers who wish to alter their creative vision.  It's also very, very rare that a film picked apart at a festival as big as Cannes will be changed simply because that particular audience raged over it. Antichrist, in its unedited and intended form (there were two cuts that floated around, one neutered that simply didn't sell), ultimately wasn't changed at the behest of controversy. Oh, and by the way, you're allowed to ask questions at those Q&A sessions just like people are on Twitter, at PAX, and on here, but just like those venues, they're not required to answer and, even more, they're not required to answer to the profuse degree that many think they're entitled to. It's their prerogative. 

Look at The Tree of Life, too: booed profusely at Cannes, but it continued to show in its entirety in the United States exactly as Terrence Malick intended.  You can even extend that example further: people were demanding refunds because of its cinematic properties, much like the Mass Effect 3 fans. It wasn't what people expected of a Brad Pitt film, or, I suppose, of a film in general, and folks demanded compensation for their perceived time wasted.  It doesn't mean it's a bad film, in the slightest, or that it's devoid of artistic merit, which it's assuredly not.  Only that those people didn't process the piece of work that was put in front of them in the way that the creator intended, and "consumers" felt that they deserved their money back because of it. 

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Can someone clue me in on where Chris Preistly said those things in the OP?

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Bioware creates games to make a profit.

That is a pretty big red flag when they call foul over artistry.

Your mistake made it this way.

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No you obviously don't.

Lars von Trier is persona non grata after his last Cannes debacle with Melancholia. He is now shooting a hardcore porno entitled Nymphomaniac.

His Antichrist debacle was the beginning of the end. He stonewalled the audience and was treated as such. People despise that.

Your facts are completely wrong. He was kicked out of Cannes last year for making a joke about hitler, so your example is completely invalid.

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Okay, so we should be asking questions...but what can we ask that hasn't already been asked over and over and over again, ad nauseam? Bioware is planting their feet and only answering what they want to answer at this time. Is it honestly, SERIOUSLY too much to ask of ME fans to just wait and see what they give us? By all means, make it clear what you do and don't want. That way they can't turn around and say "well, we never heard that from the fans". Bioware's in a perfect position to know what we want and know how to give it to us without sacrificing what they want to keep about the ending. But they're not going to respond to "Gimme that, it's MINE, or else!!!" tactics, and many are still choosing to behave that way.  Bullying and harrassing them into giving us a response is not going to produce responses we'll be happy with.  No matter what you feel they've done to the fans, they don't deserve that.

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Uh oh, the OP isn't going to the film festival this year. That's pretty serious.

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Atakuma wrote...

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No you obviously don't.

Lars von Trier is persona non grata after his last Cannes debacle with Melancholia. He is now shooting a hardcore porno entitled Nymphomaniac.

His Antichrist debacle was the beginning of the end. He stonewalled the audience and was treated as such. People despise that.

Your facts are completely wrong. He was kicked out of Cannes last year for making a joke about hitler, so your example is completely invalid.


I said the Melancholia debacle. That included the press conference. I saw it happen. Do not put words in my mouth.

He also continued to spew nonsense AFTER he was considered persona non grata.

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Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Bioware is planting their feet and only answering what they want to answer at this time. Is it honestly, SERIOUSLY too much to ask of ME fans to just wait and see what they give us?


No, it's not. 

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
No you obviously don't.

Lars von Trier is persona non grata after his last Cannes debacle with Melancholia. He is now shooting a hardcore porno entitled Nymphomaniac.

His Antichrist debacle was the beginning of the end. He stonewalled the audience and was treated as such. People despise that.

Your facts are completely wrong. He was kicked out of Cannes last year for making a joke about hitler, so your example is completely invalid.


I said the Melancholia debacle. That included the press conference. I saw it happen. Do not put words in my mouth.

He also continued to spew nonsense AFTER he was considered persona non grata.

Go look over your own comment, you said Antichrist, not Melancholia. I am not putting words in your mouth, you claimed he was kicked out because he refused to answer questions, which is not true.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

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Taboo-XX wrote...

The implications of failure are so severe..........

It's not even funny.............


Why are the implications so severe?  I figure if the EC stinks, we're no worse off than we are right now.  Is there something you're not telling us?  Seriously, I have no idea how the film or games industry runs, any insight would be helpful;)


I'm intentionally not telling you something because I fear the outcry that it would cause.





I already know what you know... I've felt it for weeks now. It infuriates me. If everyone knew their future would be as empty as the EC.

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dreamgazer wrote...

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Bioware is planting their feet and only answering what they want to answer at this time. Is it honestly, SERIOUSLY too much to ask of ME fans to just wait and see what they give us?


No, it's not. 


No it isn't.

But the amount of misinformation that comes out is staggering and needs to be addressed.

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Aw, man, here we go again... :(

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I feel sorry for Bioware for having to deal with these morons.

At least they cashed in quite nicely, so the vocal minority really doesn't make two cents of a difference.

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Atakuma wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
No you obviously don't.

Lars von Trier is persona non grata after his last Cannes debacle with Melancholia. He is now shooting a hardcore porno entitled Nymphomaniac.

His Antichrist debacle was the beginning of the end. He stonewalled the audience and was treated as such. People despise that.

Your facts are completely wrong. He was kicked out of Cannes last year for making a joke about hitler, so your example is completely invalid.


I said the Melancholia debacle. That included the press conference. I saw it happen. Do not put words in my mouth.

He also continued to spew nonsense AFTER he was considered persona non grata.

Go look over your own comment, you said Antichrist, not Melancholia. I
am not putting words in your mouth, you said he was kicked out because
he refused to answer questions which is not true.


No, I stated that the Antichrist debacle was the beginning of the end. He refused to answer questions there and was beat on because of it.

His latest attempt at doing the same caused him to be kicked out.

I will reiterate this time and time again.

You cannot lord anything over your audience.

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dreamgazer wrote...

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Bioware is planting their feet and only answering what they want to answer at this time. Is it honestly, SERIOUSLY too much to ask of ME fans to just wait and see what they give us?


No, it's not.  


They asked what we expected in the EC.  They asked.   

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Taboo-XX wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
No you obviously don't.

Lars von Trier is persona non grata after his last Cannes debacle with Melancholia. He is now shooting a hardcore porno entitled Nymphomaniac.

His Antichrist debacle was the beginning of the end. He stonewalled the audience and was treated as such. People despise that.

Your facts are completely wrong. He was kicked out of Cannes last year for making a joke about hitler, so your example is completely invalid.


I said the Melancholia debacle. That included the press conference. I saw it happen. Do not put words in my mouth.

He also continued to spew nonsense AFTER he was considered persona non grata.


From what I am seeing it was before the film was screen he went on about ****s and what-not. He was not really asking questions about the film he was being a full-on ass. His appogly afterwards was just as appauling.

Now to his answers when questioning about Antichrist. Calling himself the greatest in the world, and you should repsect me cause you are my guests shows more arrogance than anything else. He was properly mocked after that from what I see. To Bioware they never came out and said that, they showed humility when in a very cursive manor with EC.

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Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
No you obviously don't.

Lars von Trier is persona non grata after his last Cannes debacle with Melancholia. He is now shooting a hardcore porno entitled Nymphomaniac.

His Antichrist debacle was the beginning of the end. He stonewalled the audience and was treated as such. People despise that.

Your facts are completely wrong. He was kicked out of Cannes last year for making a joke about hitler, so your example is completely invalid.


I said the Melancholia debacle. That included the press conference. I saw it happen. Do not put words in my mouth.

He also continued to spew nonsense AFTER he was considered persona non grata.


From what I am seeing it was before the film was screen he went on about ****s and what-not. He was not really asking questions about the film he was being a full-on ass. His appogly afterwards was just as appauling.

Now to his answers when questioning about Antichrist. Calling himself the greatest in the world, and you should repsect me cause you are my guests shows more arrogance than anything else. He was properly mocked after that from what I see. To Bioware they never came out and said that, they showed humility when in a very cursive manor with EC.


The Extended Cut is an admission of guilt. That much I know. But the more recent information that has come to light is seeding thoughts that I've had for a while now.

What I see is something far worse than EA's interference.

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MeepZero wrote...

Can someone clue me in on where Chris Preistly said those things in the OP?



The Retake(ME3) homepage.....


Speaking of Retake, they've been slacking....haven't heard from them in what seems.for forever.....I'm.disappointed.....I thought they'd still be carrying that torch.....they should really be more vocal and present, because they seem to have given up.....I wish they wouldn't have

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