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[Atakuma]

Do you want them to just flat out tell you what will be in the EC?

[Yelloheadx]

Namz89 wrote...

I won't dare to have any hope towards the EC. Some of us feel betrayed and ignored. Some even feel like they had been made fun of by certain spokespersons from Bioware.

We were promised a lot of things, yet they never were delivered. When we asked why, we got ignored. When we were too many to be ignored, we were treated like spoiled children.

Unless some of the important questions are answered truthfully, with answers that are not evading the question or without any real content, I won't be satisfied with an EC providing "clarity and closure" only. I am almost counting on Bioware to disappoint (us) me again. But this time I'll be ready for it.

I have zero expectations for the PR campaign.  I simply do not care.  I am in it for the SP game experience itself. Nothing more, nothing less.  I do not care about MP.  

BioWare has sufficient feedback to consider as they work on EC to make up for the incongruous trainwreck of an ending that shipped with the game.  I would rather have them focus on content than engaging with a disgruntled fanbase that is ready to pounce on any official or unofficial statement, dissect it, and get even more hysterical.

I believe that the good folks at BioWare (and their EA overlords) understand what's wrong with the current ending.  It is an ending which belongs to a Twighlight Zone short story, and not tacked to the end of an epic tale.  Either they fix it, and I stay (buy more DLC) in the ME universe, or they "clarify" the current ending and I'm out (don't buy any DLC).

[Taboo]

Animositisomina wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Animositisomina wrote...

Wait... what happened yesterday with Chris Priestly?

http://social.biowar.../index/11982173 

Not sure what the fuss is about then, based on that tweet from Chris.

The fuss comes from the bizarre nature of the action itself.

[Mylia Stenetch]

Animositisomina wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Animositisomina wrote...

Wait... what happened yesterday with Chris Priestly?

http://social.biowar.../index/11982173 

Not sure what the fuss is about then, based on that tweet from Chris.

Reading that thread, and the tweets and crap. All they are doing is basic double-speak in my opinion. They are just baiting us being obtuse to keep talking about it, speculating about it and keeping the media's eye on it. Cause they know they can make a killing if this works correctly.

[Taboo]

Atakuma wrote...

Do you want them to just flat out tell you what will be in the EC?

Such a thing would be foolhardy at this time without any sufficient content to share.

They can however, let information trickle down.

Silence causes distrust.

Did they really believe that people would simply stay and be quiet without any news for four or five months?

[Reorte]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Reading that thread, and the tweets and crap. All they are doing is basic double-speak in my opinion. They are just baiting us being obtuse to keep talking about it, speculating about it and keeping the media's eye on it. Cause they know they can make a killing if this works correctly.

What's wrong with giving people some hope that it will work correctly? Remove some of the ammunition from those who are very, very sceptical about the EC. Give some reason for the people who no longer like you to start liking you again instead of encouraging them to dislike you even further.

[dreamgazer]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Do you want them to just flat out tell you what will be in the EC?

Such a thing would be foolhardy at this time without any sufficient content to share.

They can however, let information trickle down.

Silence causes distrust.

Did they really believe that people would simply stay and be quiet without any news for four or five months?

Such as whether actors have been called into record dialogue? You realize they had to be permitted---and were, likely, encouraged---to mention those things, right?

[Atakuma]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

Animositisomina wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Animositisomina wrote...

Wait... what happened yesterday with Chris Priestly?

http://social.biowar.../index/11982173 

Not sure what the fuss is about then, based on that tweet from Chris.

Reading that thread, and the tweets and crap. All they are doing is basic double-speak in my opinion. They are just baiting us being obtuse to keep talking about it, speculating about it and keeping the media's eye on it. Cause they know they can make a killing if this works correctly.

A killing on what? The DLC is free and it's not likely to make anyone go out and buy a new copy. If anything they are simply trying to keep people interested so they have a chance of selling any post EC DLC.

[Taboo]

dreamgazer wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Do you want them to just flat out tell you what will be in the EC?

Such a thing would be foolhardy at this time without any sufficient content to share.

They can however, let information trickle down.

Silence causes distrust.

Did they really believe that people would simply stay and be quiet without any news for four or five months?

Such as whether actors have been called into record dialogue? You realize they had to be permitted---and were, likely, encouraged---to mention those things, right?

That's exatcly what I meant.

It's no different than an actor tweeting an on set photo.

The problem is that they also release statments that rustle people around, which isn't good.

[Tazzmission]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Do you want them to just flat out tell you what will be in the EC?

Such a thing would be foolhardy at this time without any sufficient content to share.

They can however, let information trickle down.

Silence causes distrust.

Did they really believe that people would simply stay and be quiet without any news for four or five months?

the devs probably thought they were talking to a mature audiance and yet comments and threads have proved otherwise seeing as people act like little kids and demand something now


didnt get an answer so you insult a guy by saying his degree dosent mean squat

Modifié par Tazzmission, 11 mai 2012 - 07:42 .

[Peranor]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Do you want them to just flat out tell you what will be in the EC?

Such a thing would be foolhardy at this time without any sufficient content to share.

They can however, let information trickle down.

Silence causes distrust.

Did they really believe that people would simply stay and be quiet without any news for four or five months?

It would at least be nice if the few replies we do get could be consistent.

Now one person says one thing and second person implies another thing. And later on that first person retract what he said earlier and claims something completely different to what he first said.

Lots of confusion for everyone!

[Reorte]

Atakuma wrote...

A killing on what? The DLC is free and it's not likely to make anyone go out and buy a new copy. If anything they are simply trying to keep people interested so they have a chance of selling any post EC DLC.

And to do that it'll have to satisfy the people who are very unhappy right now (no point in it satisfying the people who aren't). That's about the one last remaining reason I've got to hope that the EC won't be a disaster but I'm not confident. BW are starting to sound like a member of some weird religious sect who keeps shouting out about how they know the truth and everyone else should embrace it, blind to logic or reason about their position.

[Taboo]

Tazzmission wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Do you want them to just flat out tell you what will be in the EC?

Such a thing would be foolhardy at this time without any sufficient content to share.

They can however, let information trickle down.

Silence causes distrust.

Did they really believe that people would simply stay and be quiet without any news for four or five months?

the devs probably thought they were talking to a mature audiance and yet comments and threads have proved otherwise seeing as people act like little kids and demand something now


didnt get an answer so you insult a guy by saying his degree dosent mean squat

I didn't demand anything.

The degree in which you speak of doesn't mean squat because it has no bearing on how he should write.

I went to college for psychology too but it doesn't make me a better writer.

[Kunari801]

anorling wrote...

It would at least be nice if the few replies we do get could be consistent.

Now one person says one thing and second person implies another thing. And later on that first person retract what he said earlier and claims something completely different to what he first said.

Lots of confusion for everyone!

Well said! 

[Reorte]

Tazzmission wrote...

the devs probably thought they were talking to a mature audiance and yet comments and threads have proved otherwise seeing as people act like little kids and demand something now


didnt get an answer so you insult a guy by saying his degree dosent mean squat

They didn't realise that they were talking to a mature audience who can see straight through PR doubletalk and who are intelligent enough to see where BW screwed up.

[Tazzmission]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Do you want them to just flat out tell you what will be in the EC?

Such a thing would be foolhardy at this time without any sufficient content to share.

They can however, let information trickle down.

Silence causes distrust.

Did they really believe that people would simply stay and be quiet without any news for four or five months?

the devs probably thought they were talking to a mature audiance and yet comments and threads have proved otherwise seeing as people act like little kids and demand something now


didnt get an answer so you insult a guy by saying his degree dosent mean squat

I didn't demand anything.

The degree in which you speak of doesn't mean squat because it has no bearing on how he should write.

I went to college for psychology too but it doesn't make me a better writer.

again what did that have to do anything at all in the thread people created regarding his degree?

did you or did you not insult the guy because you wet your pants about how the game ended?

i dont give a crap how mad you or anyone else is if i was mac and someone insulted me that had nothing to do with the situation i would honestly take your head off by addressing you

whats next? are you gona start bad mouthing his wife next?  i mean you people can only go so far before it gets out of hand

[Mev186]

You know what. I'm done with this company. I'm sick and tired of them treating their fans with open contempt. They don't have to change their ending., I also don't have to buy any more of their products. When your company goes belly up I hope you remember why it happened, it was because you bit the hands that fed you.

[Thorn Harvestar]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The fire is still alight and it's burning into the night.......

A troubling thought.

One that............won't be going away in a few months.....

My jimmies can't take much more rustling.

[Atakuma]

Reorte wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

A killing on what? The DLC is free and it's not likely to make anyone go out and buy a new copy. If anything they are simply trying to keep people interested so they have a chance of selling any post EC DLC.

And to do that it'll have to satisfy the people who are very unhappy right now (no point in it satisfying the people who aren't). That's about the one last remaining reason I've got to hope that the EC won't be a disaster but I'm not confident. BW are starting to sound like a member of some weird religious sect who keeps shouting out about how they know the truth and everyone else should embrace it, blind to logic or reason about their position.

It's rather sad to see how Bioware standing by their work is somehow seen as them being either delusional, or arrogant.

[Kunari801]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The fire is still alight and it's burning into the night.......

A troubling thought.

One that............won't be going away in a few months.....

My jimmies can't take much more rustling.

Perhaps some comic relief?   http://www.youtube.c...v=_-MSuVTzsg8#! 

[Taboo]

Tazzmission wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Do you want them to just flat out tell you what will be in the EC?

Such a thing would be foolhardy at this time without any sufficient content to share.

They can however, let information trickle down.

Silence causes distrust.

Did they really believe that people would simply stay and be quiet without any news for four or five months?

the devs probably thought they were talking to a mature audiance and yet comments and threads have proved otherwise seeing as people act like little kids and demand something now


didnt get an answer so you insult a guy by saying his degree dosent mean squat

I didn't demand anything.

The degree in which you speak of doesn't mean squat because it has no bearing on how he should write.

I went to college for psychology too but it doesn't make me a better writer.

again what did that have to do anything at all in the thread people created regarding his degree?

did you or did you not insult the guy because you wet your pants about how the game ended?

i dont give a crap how mad you or anyone else is if i was mac and someone insulted me that had nothing to do with the situation i would honestly take your head off by addressing you

whats next? are you gona start bad mouthing his wife next?  i mean you people can only go so far before it gets out of hand

Ah, you lack of perspicacity reveals your motivations. You assume I care about what degrees they have. I am simply astounded that he did not consider the ramifications from a business perspective. One does not need a psychology degree to know this.

Furthermore if you have been paying attention I did not "wet my pants" over the endings. I support more information. I do not support the people who wish to hold their wallet but I do not support the people who are grasping at as many straws in an attempt to understand the ending.

I have my own motivations but they do not fall exclusivly into either group.

[Atakuma]

Mev186 wrote...

You know what. I'm done with this company. I'm sick and tired of them treating their fans with open contempt. They don't have to change their ending., I also don't have to buy any more of their products. When your company goes belly up I hope you remember why it happened, it was because you bit the hands that fed you.

They do no such thing, and even if they did, it would make sense seeing as how many of their "fans" treat them.

[Taboo]

Atakuma wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

A killing on what? The DLC is free and it's not likely to make anyone go out and buy a new copy. If anything they are simply trying to keep people interested so they have a chance of selling any post EC DLC.

And to do that it'll have to satisfy the people who are very unhappy right now (no point in it satisfying the people who aren't). That's about the one last remaining reason I've got to hope that the EC won't be a disaster but I'm not confident. BW are starting to sound like a member of some weird religious sect who keeps shouting out about how they know the truth and everyone else should embrace it, blind to logic or reason about their position.

It's rather sad to see how Bioware standing by their work is somehow seen as them being either delusional, or arrogant.

That isn't the issue. Think hard about why and then come back. It has everything to do with art but not the kind they seem to think they're making.

[Nemesis1812]

Taboo-XX wrote...

What amazes me more is how much fight I actually HAVE.

Fascinating.

Why?  

Seriously though, the first thing that came into my mind when i became aware of the ending catastrophe was why for ****'s sake would they do this?

In my opinion and throughout my life they why of things has been the most important question to pose.

They had created a beautiful, diverse, touching sci fi world that so many have lived in for countless hours.
And they literally crapped on it in the last several minutes.....
So why did they do this?

[Szuli]

Taboo-XX wrote...

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I know for a fact that movie producers will change endings based upon ONE bad screening and said theatre can contain only one hundred people. Those films cost, far, far more to make than games and are almost always hinged upon whether or not a test audience likes them. Sixty thousand people is more than enough for a sample size. I know Harvey Weinstein does what he does because I've seen him do it. Mr. Weinstein has changed films on far, far less terms.

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Isn't the difference though that those movies still haven't had their run in theaters, so their profitability is still undecided? So it would be in the film makers' best interest to provide a product that would be as positively received as possible.

In ME3's case, however, the marketing promised that players would receive the kind of product that they would be happy with and that's what many people based their buying decision on (in addition to the success of the previous two games). A lot of copies were pre-ordered or bought upon release, so BW already has that money. Sure there were some returns, and sales dropped off because of the outcry and bad customer reviews, and future sales might be impacted by this whole debacle and especially if the EC makes people angry instead of satisfied. And I think this is why they are making the EC, not because they are actually admitting that they made a mistake. From what I've seen so far, their attitude is that the fans are stupid without any imagination and BW has to explain to them what the endings meant so that they would finally shut up and go away. Of course this is quite a shortsighted view, because if all they really do is explain the endings they might have another uproar on their hands.

But we are not there with them in their offices so we can't know what exactly they are thinking and what are the issues they are dealing with: legal stuff, ego, the future profitability of their DLCs, games and merchandise, etc.

My feeling is that in the EC they will backpedal on things to make the endings less bleak (the Mass Relays' explosion was a "special kind", not like in The Arrival; no, the fleets stranded around Earth will not starve, etc. etc.). But we'll just have to wait and see.

As for them asking questions and listening, countless threads have already told them what people want - or expect - so I think they do know what the fans would like to see in the EC. Whether or not they will actually take these wishes into consideration, well, we'll see.