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[Thorn Harvestar]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Szuli wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The implications are beginning to form in my head.

I HAVE seen this before.

But I can't be certain until the EC is released.

I can't possibly see how it could get any worse. Not with the amount of eyes currently on the devs.

Concerning Priestly's question, I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that it's PR prep for post-release of the EC. The ME team wants to get all of their ducks in a row, this time.

They've had two months to get a clear image of what people "want." I believe the final draft has been penned, VA's have been recorded, and now they're working on polishing the content and implementing it into the game. We'll probably get an ETA come E3.

OP, your fears aren't unfounded. While I still don't understand the latent fear you're harboring, I'm going to hold onto my fool's hope that the ME devs genuinely care about fan feedback, the EC will be some kind of reflection of that, and that the current ending was a tragic mistake originating from a fast-approaching deadline and an unchecked Hudson.

That's all I can really do at this point... I'm getting tired of voicing my criticisms to a brick wall.

Unfortunately Hudson is on the team working on the EC...

With the participation of everyone else.

One person left unchecked can do a lot of damage.

But I don't know if Mr. Hudson was the only person to write the endings.

Yeah, Hudson is responsible for a lot of the ME universe; I have no problem with him contributing to the conclusion, but the key like you said is "with the participation of everyone else".

Peer review is a powerful tool, and if the full complement of the ME3 writing team is working on EC, that's a good thing.

[Reorte]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

It's rather sad to see how Bioware standing by their work is somehow seen as them being either delusional, or arrogant.

Why do you think that? There's nothing admirable about being pig-headed. I've a lot more respect for people who admit their mistakes, or are at least able to offer a good enough explanation as to what they were doing that I can at least respectfully disagree.

They have not done this in a sufficient capacity. This is there issue.

I am still in awe over these mistakes.

Exactly.

[Taboo]

Here's the deal. They could simply fix this now by saying they will cut out everything that happens right as Shepard goes up on the beam and just skip to the Crucible firing in the Destory ending.

We really wouldn't no any more than we already do.

Awe inspiring. That's how innocuous the entire sequence is.

Amazing.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 11 mai 2012 - 08:51 .

[Kunari801]

Nemesis1812 wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Nemesis1812 wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

I expect the star-brats logic to make sense instead of the illogical mess it is now.
I expect it to fit into the ME lore.
I expect, even if Shepard dies, for closure with my team and LI.
I expect for my squad and crew not for abandon Shepard and leave him to die alone
I expect a way to SAVE the galaxy from the Reapers that doesn't destroy the Relays and Citadel
I expect for Control, Destroy, and Synthesis to be less repulsive then they are now via better explanations to their functions and outcomes. Higher EMS makes for better endings.

I WANT to avoid stabbing my allies in the back to Destroy the Reapers even if it means Shepard must die in their place
I WANT to be able tell the Reapers to GTFO of my galaxy and not have to die to do it
I WANT, if Shepard must die, to die next to his LI  

This.

And to add:

I EXPECT to be able to see all the possible endings without having to play multiplayer.
I WANT to know why they chose to do it this way.

Thanks, glad I'm not the only one.  I know not everthing on the expect list will happen, but hopefully most of it and some of the wants will be in the EC. 

If the Normandy must run away, let my LI find me in the rubble.  Even with the B & G endings, let Shepard's body be found for a proper burial.  

Oh you're definately NOT the only one:).  Actually I believe in the good guy winning against all odds, even if he has to die, in order to leave the world a better place.  I really do wander when this theme became so passe and unartistic<_<

About the EC, I'm trying to be positive and hopeful but I'm seriously worried.  I don't like what the picture that is slowly taking form in my mind.

Yes, as I said on page one: 

 All that effort and sacrifice to save the Galaxy and people Shepard loves is all for naught.  No matter the choice, we destroy it!  Shepard must pick a war crime to "win" the war and in so doing destroy everything he loves and fought for.  
This is not victory, it is defeat.   Shepard doesn't go out like a hero but a war criminal.  

If he lives or dies, I want my Shepard to be a hero not a war criminal.   The ending gives no sense of victory.  

Modifié par Kunari801, 11 mai 2012 - 08:53 .

[Evanz]

Atakuma wrote...
You misunderstand me. I am in no way defending EA's business model, I hate that. What I'm arguing against is the idea that bioware has some vendetta against it's audience, when that's just not true. Aside from a few snippy comments by chris priestly which people overreact too, Bioware has been very polite during this whole debacle. It annoys me how some people cannot just dislike something without the need to create an imaginary villian to fight.

he is right.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

[Mcfly616]

Omega Torsk wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The implications are beginning to form in my head.

I HAVE seen this before.

But I can't be certain until the EC is released.

I can't possibly see how it could get any worse. Not with the amount of eyes currently on the devs.

Concerning Priestly's question, I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that it's PR prep for post-release of the EC. The ME team wants to get all of their ducks in a row, this time.

They've had two months to get a clear image of what people "want." I believe the final draft has been penned, VA's have been recorded, and now they're working on polishing the content and implementing it into the game. We'll probably get an ETA come E3.

OP, your fears aren't unfounded. While I still don't understand the latent fear you're harboring, I'm going to hold onto my fool's hope that the ME devs genuinely care about fan feedback, the EC will be some kind of reflection of that, and that the current ending was a tragic mistake originating from a fast-approaching deadline and an unchecked Hudson.

That's all I can really do at this point... I'm getting tired of voicing my criticisms to a brick wall.

Really? I hope you're in a padded room when the EC comes.out....They're Not Changing Anything.....as was reiterated on the Retake homepage last night......

[Szuli]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Szuli wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The implications are beginning to form in my head.

I HAVE seen this before.

But I can't be certain until the EC is released.

I can't possibly see how it could get any worse. Not with the amount of eyes currently on the devs.

Concerning Priestly's question, I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that it's PR prep for post-release of the EC. The ME team wants to get all of their ducks in a row, this time.

They've had two months to get a clear image of what people "want." I believe the final draft has been penned, VA's have been recorded, and now they're working on polishing the content and implementing it into the game. We'll probably get an ETA come E3.

OP, your fears aren't unfounded. While I still don't understand the latent fear you're harboring, I'm going to hold onto my fool's hope that the ME devs genuinely care about fan feedback, the EC will be some kind of reflection of that, and that the current ending was a tragic mistake originating from a fast-approaching deadline and an unchecked Hudson.

That's all I can really do at this point... I'm getting tired of voicing my criticisms to a brick wall.

Unfortunately Hudson is on the team working on the EC...

With the participation of everyone else.

One person left unchecked can do a lot of damage.

But I don't know if Mr. Hudson was the only person to write the endings.

Yeah, Hudson is responsible for a lot of the ME universe; I have no problem with him contributing to the conclusion, but the key like you said is "with the participation of everyone else".

Peer review is a powerful tool, and if the full complement of the ME3 writing team is working on EC, that's a good thing.

I think it was Hudson and Walters who wrote the endings. Yes, it's good that others are participating, too, but the question is how much of their brainchild are Walters and Hudson (lead writer and director) willing to sacrifice? From what BW has said it seems like not much, since they indicated that they won''t change the endings and won't add any new ones.

[Yelloheadx]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Here's the deal. They could simply fix this now by saying they will cut out everything that happens right as Shepard goes up on the beam and just skip to the Crucible firing in the Destory ending.

We really wouldn't no any more than we already do.

Awe inspiring. That's how innocuous the entire sequence is.

Amazing.

Disturbingly accurate observation.

[M8DMAN]

Reorte wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

It's rather sad to see how Bioware standing by their work is somehow seen as them being either delusional, or arrogant.

Why do you think that? There's nothing admirable about being pig-headed. I've a lot more respect for people who admit their mistakes, or are at least able to offer a good enough explanation as to what they were doing that I can at least respectfully disagree.

I agree. Bioware should have done the admirable thing and admited that the ending was a mistake. But no, they decided to stand by their "artistic vison".

And we all suffered for it.

[Taboo]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The implications are beginning to form in my head.

I HAVE seen this before.

But I can't be certain until the EC is released.

I can't possibly see how it could get any worse. Not with the amount of eyes currently on the devs.

Concerning Priestly's question, I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that it's PR prep for post-release of the EC. The ME team wants to get all of their ducks in a row, this time.

They've had two months to get a clear image of what people "want." I believe the final draft has been penned, VA's have been recorded, and now they're working on polishing the content and implementing it into the game. We'll probably get an ETA come E3.

OP, your fears aren't unfounded. While I still don't understand the latent fear you're harboring, I'm going to hold onto my fool's hope that the ME devs genuinely care about fan feedback, the EC will be some kind of reflection of that, and that the current ending was a tragic mistake originating from a fast-approaching deadline and an unchecked Hudson.

That's all I can really do at this point... I'm getting tired of voicing my criticisms to a brick wall.

Really? I hope you're in a padded room when the EC comes.out....They're Not Changing Anything.....as was reiterated on the Retake homepage last night......

They are not changing anything but are adding to it regardless of what they say. Showing me something in a narrative with a physical scene is an addition when it is put back into the main game.

Semantics.

[Tazzmission]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

The implications are beginning to form in my head.

I HAVE seen this before.

But I can't be certain until the EC is released.

I can't possibly see how it could get any worse. Not with the amount of eyes currently on the devs.

Concerning Priestly's question, I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that it's PR prep for post-release of the EC. The ME team wants to get all of their ducks in a row, this time.

They've had two months to get a clear image of what people "want." I believe the final draft has been penned, VA's have been recorded, and now they're working on polishing the content and implementing it into the game. We'll probably get an ETA come E3.

OP, your fears aren't unfounded. While I still don't understand the latent fear you're harboring, I'm going to hold onto my fool's hope that the ME devs genuinely care about fan feedback, the EC will be some kind of reflection of that, and that the current ending was a tragic mistake originating from a fast-approaching deadline and an unchecked Hudson.

That's all I can really do at this point... I'm getting tired of voicing my criticisms to a brick wall.

Really? I hope you're in a padded room when the EC comes.out....They're Not Changing Anything.....as was reiterated on the Retake homepage last night......

honestly i dont know what to believe anymore from the devs and i say that not to be mean but so far everything they have stated has been the opposite so i wonder if that includes the ec dlc

they could just be trying to die down the fire with saying what we are discussing and who knows they may actually give us a suprise thatll please everyone

[Taboo]

Tazzmission wrote...


they could just be trying to die down the fire with saying what we are discussing and who knows they may actually give us a suprise thatll please everyone

This is the straw I hold onto.

You see if they over-deliver...........

THE PRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZE.

[Tazzmission]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...


they could just be trying to die down the fire with saying what we are discussing and who knows they may actually give us a suprise thatll please everyone

This is the straw I hold onto.

You see if they over-deliver...........

THE PRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZE.

i mean think about all the voice actors who cofirmed doing lines for the ec

i dont buy the whole its just new sequences thing because something is up

you dont just get the major actors to comeback do to lets say new sequences with the content being the same

i have a strong feeling ( and i can be wrong) that maybe there gona redo the ending

Modifié par Tazzmission, 11 mai 2012 - 09:02 .

[Flextt]

I read up on the Priestly post on holdtheline.com and I think his Twitter commentary is somewhere between ignorant and condescending.
Anyhow, in what context did the other stuff happen?

[Atakuma]

Reorte wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

It's rather sad to see how Bioware standing by their work is somehow seen as them being either delusional, or arrogant.

Why do you think that? There's nothing admirable about being pig-headed. I've a lot more respect for people who admit their mistakes, or are at least able to offer a good enough explanation as to what they were doing that I can at least respectfully disagree.

I don't believe they are being pig headed, and I find their unwillingness to be bullied into doing something quite admirable. I do agree that they should have offered an explanation, but I can see them using the EC to do that.

Modifié par Atakuma, 11 mai 2012 - 09:02 .

[Taboo]

Tazzmission wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...


they could just be trying to die down the fire with saying what we are discussing and who knows they may actually give us a suprise thatll please everyone

This is the straw I hold onto.

You see if they over-deliver...........

THE PRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZE.

i mean think about all the voice actors who cofirmed doing lines for the ec

i dont buy the whole its just new sequences thing because something is up

Although I wouldn't place my bets on anything I know that it is entirely plausible for them to be underwhelming in a PR statement and do more than they say they will because the results would be very, very good.

By having a vague PR statement and provding people with the prize they can say they didn't change anything and please both parties.

Balance is the issue here.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 11 mai 2012 - 09:04 .

[Thorn Harvestar]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...


they could just be trying to die down the fire with saying what we are discussing and who knows they may actually give us a suprise thatll please everyone

This is the straw I hold onto.

You see if they over-deliver...........

THE PRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZE.

"Listen to yourself! You're.... indoctrinated!"

[Nemesis1812]

M8DMAN wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

It's rather sad to see how Bioware standing by their work is somehow seen as them being either delusional, or arrogant.

Why do you think that? There's nothing admirable about being pig-headed. I've a lot more respect for people who admit their mistakes, or are at least able to offer a good enough explanation as to what they were doing that I can at least respectfully disagree.

I agree. Bioware should have done the admirable thing and admited that the ending was a mistake. But no, they decided to stand by their "artistic vison".

And we all suffered for it.

When someone reaches a certain level of arrogance, it becomes impossible and unfathomable to admit fault.

Although, as Taboo-XX has stated, the EC is a partial admission of guilt, albeit a half-hearted one.

[eddieoctane]

Reorte wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

It's rather sad to see how Bioware standing by their work is somehow seen as them being either delusional, or arrogant.

Why do you think that? There's nothing admirable about being pig-headed. I've a lot more respect for people who admit their mistakes, or are at least able to offer a good enough explanation as to what they were doing that I can at least respectfully disagree.

They have not done this in a sufficient capacity. This is there issue.

I am still in awe over these mistakes.

Exactly.

It's not a mistake when you refuse to correct it, and what we have been told about the EC would lead one to believe that they only want to reinforce their past incorrect decisions. At this point, a mistake becomes  something worse.

ShepnTali wrote...

This is nothing short of headgames.


Bioware wants the girlfriend back that they have cheated on. But just for sex, not love.

A friend of mine just went through this a half-dozen times with the same guy. Once she got mono, she kicked him to the curb for good.

Is that what we have to do, wait for BioWare to screw us so bad that the only comparison would be them giving us an STD they got from EA?

[Kunari801]

Tazzmission wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...


they could just be trying to die down the fire with saying what we are discussing and who knows they may actually give us a suprise thatll please everyone

This is the straw I hold onto.

You see if they over-deliver...........

THE PRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZE.

i mean think about all the voice actors who cofirmed doing lines for the ec

i dont buy the whole its just new sequences thing because something is up

you dont just get the major actors to comeback do to lets say new sequences with the content being the same

i have a strong feeling ( and i can be wrong) that maybe there gona redo the ending  

Was the new voice work for the EC?  I didn't see that confirmed, it could be for other DLC.  

[Tazzmission]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...


they could just be trying to die down the fire with saying what we are discussing and who knows they may actually give us a suprise thatll please everyone

This is the straw I hold onto.

You see if they over-deliver...........

THE PRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZE.

i mean think about all the voice actors who cofirmed doing lines for the ec

i dont buy the whole its just new sequences thing because something is up

Although I wouldn't place my bets on anything I know that it is entirely plausible for them to be underwhelming in a PR statement and do more than they say they will because the results would be very, very good.

By having a vague PR statement and provding people with the prize they can say they didn't change anything and please both parties.

Balance is the issue here.

i mean really the most we can do is wait for todays big announcment and the ec dlc really

and you may think i was rude earlier and if i was sorry but we all have to just take a break from the negativity

and who knows maybe the ending was in to make extra sales because afterall the controversy did help them make like 200 million or something

[Taboo]

Kunari801 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...


they could just be trying to die down the fire with saying what we are discussing and who knows they may actually give us a suprise thatll please everyone

This is the straw I hold onto.

You see if they over-deliver...........

THE PRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZE.

i mean think about all the voice actors who cofirmed doing lines for the ec

i dont buy the whole its just new sequences thing because something is up

you dont just get the major actors to comeback do to lets say new sequences with the content being the same

i have a strong feeling ( and i can be wrong) that maybe there gona redo the ending  

Was the new voice work for the EC?  I didn't see that confirmed, it could be for other DLC.  

Gamble said so.

He has no precedence to lie about it.

[Dorrieb]

Atakuma, it's *ridiculous*. Arr - Eye - Diculous. Please for the love of god, if you're going to keep on using the word do try to get it right, it's driving me batty!

[ShepnTali]

Kunari801 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...


they could just be trying to die down the fire with saying what we are discussing and who knows they may actually give us a suprise thatll please everyone

This is the straw I hold onto.

You see if they over-deliver...........

THE PRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZE.

i mean think about all the voice actors who cofirmed doing lines for the ec

i dont buy the whole its just new sequences thing because something is up

you dont just get the major actors to comeback do to lets say new sequences with the content being the same

i have a strong feeling ( and i can be wrong) that maybe there gona redo the ending  

Was the new voice work for the EC?  I didn't see that confirmed, it could be for other DLC.  

It was confirmed for EC via twitter 

[frostajulie]

Kunari801 wrote...

They're watching... but they aren't listening.   Thousands of posts and reasons why and they still don't seem to get it.  




All that effort and sacrifice to save the Galaxy and people Shepard loves is all for naught.  No matter the choice, we destroy it!  Shepard must pick a war crime to "win" the war and in so doing destroy everything he loves and fought for. 

This is not victory, it is defeat.   Shepard doesn't go out like a hero but a war criminal. 

We get the endings BW.  We care more about the ME Universe --and those who inhabit that virtual world-- than apparently you do.  

This is the part where Bioware sees this and should fall to their knees screaming because at last they see the truth.  Then they fix what they messed up because they have an obligation to their own artistic creation to end a hero's journey heroically