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[Peregrin25]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Ok, stepping in here a second

1 - Duane is entitled to his opinion, just like you all are entitled to yours
2 - So is the writer of the article
3 - Duane is likely referencing that the person who wrote the article viewed the entire game of ME3 as an ending, which it is. This is what the team intended, which is the "gets it". Yes, you can discuss how successful we were or whatever, but this was the goal.
4 - Some people like the ending and they are welcome to express that here the same way that those who didn't like it express their opinions.
5 - Just because Duane does or doesn't feel a certain way doesn't mean anything about the Extended Cut.

I think the problem that people have with it is the fact it comes across condesending to those that didn't understand what the end was supposed to mean. It comes across as though he assumed everyone should have knew what it means but no, "Finally, someone gets it." needs to be worded differently. he can say someone understands it but the Finally part is what struck me as kind of.. I not sure what word I am looking for but it was almost in an unintentional means of saying we that do not understand should have, no questions asked. Atleast that is what I got got from it

But yes he does have the right to his opinion. I am just pointing out how that sounded. He should have rephrased he response.

[-Area51-Silent]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

But it reflects everything you do Mr. Priestly.

One person represents a company in the minds of people, especially someone who is as high up as he is.

And he is every bit as right in his opinion as you are in yours.

Hey Chris, here is the only problem I see with the article, its not what he said, its the way he said it. I am not arguing that everyone is entitled to their opinion. In fact I completely agree he has every right to feel the way he does about the ending as everyone does. The problem I have here is the manner. The way it was said comes off as "Hey he gets this ending, the rest of you are just to simple to understand it."

That is why people feel offended (most I think).

[GeoFukari]

Just looked back in the comments at Chris's remarks....

My thoughts: Really?

If I were Bioware, I'd be kissing my fans butts to make sure that I have customers for my next product.

[chemiclord]

Jenonax wrote...

We might agree on the consequences of such action but we disagree on whose fault it is. 

Bioware put the work out there, they are dealing out the PR damage control.  We are responding.  As a writer I know that what I put out there will have an effect.  The effect may surprise me but it will always be my responsibility.  People react how they react.  Are there some people who go over the top?  Yes.  And I condemn them for it.  I for one and many, many others have tried to be nothing but constructive in our criticism of the endings.  But the PR angers me, and that, I'm afraid, is Bioware's doing.

The PR is what it has to be. EA wasn't going to let them release any statement other than their version of "Hold the Line."  Trying to read anything into what Bioware's PR releases is as worthwhile as trying to glean anything from the Tamad Shud case.  They are empty words that have so little meaning that they might as well have not been said at all.

Do I think Bioware employees have chosen their words with the best of care?  No.  But I also think fans really need to take a step back and ask themselves, "are these people REALLY trying to insult me?"  I think the answer would be "No.  That would be an even dumber idea than their ending."

Bioware employees are probably at wits end with frustration... and the fans are even more so.  Both sides are talking AT each other rather than TO each other.  

Both sides also have their reasons for doing this.  Bioware employees that HAVE tried to talk have been outright EVISCERATED by a loud, obnoxious, rude, and simply despicable handful of fans.  Fans can point out that the majority of the mean-spirited venom have been by said handful of jerks who should (rightfully) be ignored, and it seems like said employees are using said jerks as an excuse to not talk rather than a legitimate reason.

The best thing to do would be to just not say anything at all... on both sides, really.

[GeoFukari]

Also, Chris is trolling us. He's probably not going to respond and give us more fuel to the fire.

Bad PR is bad.

[The Cheat]

People are entitled to their opinions, but that doesn't mean all opinions are right. Whoever earlier said that the whole "everyone's opinions are right" thing is anathema to society nailed it spot on.

I have no other words. Not necessarily giving up on EC just yet, but this is far from encouraging.

[Mann42]

GeoFukari wrote...

Also, Chris is trolling us. He's probably not going to respond and give us more fuel to the fire.

Bad PR is bad.

Yeah, I seriously wondered why he even bothered to answer in the first place. Putting that blue Bioware label on this thing guarantees it will live forever. 

I think the stress of his job is getting to his judgement. I hope he's getting plenty of sleep. 

Modifié par nexworks, 12 mai 2012 - 01:47 .

[Peregrin25]

-Area51-Silent wrote...

Hey Chris, here is the only problem I see with the article, its not what he said, its the way he said it. I am not arguing that everyone is entitled to their opinion. In fact I completely agree he has every right to feel the way he does about the ending as everyone does. The problem I have here is the manner. The way it was said comes off as "Hey he gets this ending, the rest of you are just to simple to understand it."

That is why people feel offended (most I think).

Like I said in my last post.. It came across condesending. I am in agreeance here.

[GeoFukari]

nexworks wrote...

GeoFukari wrote...

Also, Chris is trolling us. He's probably not going to respond and give us more fuel to the fire.

Bad PR is bad.

Yeah, I seriously wondered why he even bothered to answer. Putting that blue Bioware label on this thing guarantees it will live forever. 

I think the stress of his job is getting to his judgement. I hope he's getting plenty of sleep. 

I already sceencapped it, saved it, and put it in my file titled: Bioware Fails.

[Zulmoka531]

With everything they say, they are hurting their future DLC sales for ME3, and perhaps game sales in the future.

The EC has to do one hell of a job to fix the negative spin lots of folks have taken up on Bioware in just a mere 2 months. I don't think I've seen disdain fester for a gaming company so quickly in...well I really can't quite say when I saw something like this.

DA2 seems like a slight breeze compared to this.

[Zavox]

Weren't they advertising ME3 as a perfect starting point for those new to the series? How does that add up with ME3 being entirely the ending of a story?

I say Duane Webb is the one who doesn't get it at all.

[GeoFukari]

Zavox wrote...

Weren't they advertising ME3 as a perfect starting point for those new to the series? How does that add up with ME3 being entirely the ending of a story?

I say Duane Webb is the one who doesn't get it at all.

It doesn't. Whoever starts a series at the finale is rather dull. Or they were in it for the Multi-player.

[Zavox]

GeoFukari wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Weren't they advertising ME3 as a perfect starting point for those new to the series? How does that add up with ME3 being entirely the ending of a story?

I say Duane Webb is the one who doesn't get it at all.

It doesn't. Whoever starts a series at the finale is rather dull. Or they were in it for the Multi-player.

I completely agree, I'm just saying however that either one of those statements has to be false.

Modifié par Zavox, 12 mai 2012 - 02:04 .

[Peregrin25]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

With everything they say, they are hurting their future DLC sales for ME3, and perhaps game sales in the future.

The EC has to do one hell of a job to fix the negative spin lots of folks have taken up on Bioware in just a mere 2 months. I don't think I've seen disdain fester for a gaming company so quickly in...well I really can't quite say when I saw something like this.

DA2 seems like a slight breeze compared to this.

I think this and the whole way BioWare is handling the issues wether it be press release or twitter feeds or BSN posts. It's blasphemous to the rest of the gaming industry. I know all coroprations have their problems but this is taking it to new heights. 

We should start a Game Industry Inquisition MWHAHAHAHAHA!!!! only joking of course.

[GeoFukari]

Zavox wrote...

GeoFukari wrote...

Zavox wrote...

Weren't they advertising ME3 as a perfect starting point for those new to the series? How does that add up with ME3 being entirely the ending of a story?

I say Duane Webb is the one who doesn't get it at all.

It doesn't. Whoever starts a series at the finale is rather dull. Or they were in it for the Multi-player.

I completely agree, I'm just saying however that either one of those statements has to be false.

Ah. I see. Sorry bout that. Here's some space magic.

Go ruin a series with it.

[GeoFukari]

Peregrin25 wrote...

Zulmoka531 wrote...

With everything they say, they are hurting their future DLC sales for ME3, and perhaps game sales in the future.

The EC has to do one hell of a job to fix the negative spin lots of folks have taken up on Bioware in just a mere 2 months. I don't think I've seen disdain fester for a gaming company so quickly in...well I really can't quite say when I saw something like this.

DA2 seems like a slight breeze compared to this.

I think this and the whole way BioWare is handling the issues wether it be press release or twitter feeds or BSN posts. It's blasphemous to the rest of the gaming industry. I know all coroprations have their problems but this is taking it to new heights. 

We should start a Game Industry Inquisition MWHAHAHAHAHA!!!! only joking of course.

My friends and I were talking about this today. One day the Gamers are going to rise up against people like EA, Ubisoft and activision.(Yes.  They are people. Companies are people now. I know. Its disgusting)

Very few will survive the ensuing extermination. It will be on the scale of the Last Great Time War.

Or... You know... Companies can... like... get it right.

[Beerfish]

The ME3 ending stunk terribly. Just a brutal wind up to a terrific epic trilogy and a final game that had some very good stuff and a few gaffs. The awful ending is not split along pro or anti bioware fans, it is not split along people who are easy to please or hard to please, they are not split along those with high art on their mind or just want a shooter types.

The endings were simply terrible for the last game of an epic series. When from the harshest critic to the easiest to please fan boy you get a universal, "what the hell were they thinking?" You know it was a huge failure.

Modifié par Beerfish, 12 mai 2012 - 02:12 .

[akenn312]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Ok, stepping in here a second

1 - Duane is entitled to his opinion, just like you all are entitled to yours
2 - So is the writer of the article
3 - Duane is likely referencing that the person who wrote the article viewed the entire game of ME3 as an ending, which it is. This is what the team intended, which is the "gets it". Yes, you can discuss how successful we were or whatever, but this was the goal.
4 - Some people like the ending and they are welcome to express that here the same way that those who didn't like it express their opinions.
5 - Just because Duane does or doesn't feel a certain way doesn't mean anything about the Extended Cut.

1. I do agree, Mr. Webb is entitled to his opinion, but rather than revealing your ultimate goal for the game on a sarcastic tweet, why not just say this out front? People respect your company and your game even if they are against the ending choices. Why treat them in this way? Why dismiss their opinions and call them "whiny babies"? Shouldn't you be the bigger person in this thing?


2. The writer of the article is basically patting you on the back again like the 75 other perfect scores. Have any of you ever taken into account the negative reviews on the ending confusion? or tried to understand that it's not that your ending is above our intelligence, but just basically we think its sub par on what we expected from the previous work you have done. Also that is a compliment. Not a insult. We love Mass Effect, but also we see you are going away form what we care about your RPG games also. 


3. Again Duane can send this tweet, but I find it very unprofessional, no matter what we do venting on the forums, your stance that is basically very arrogant saying that we are not on your level to get these endings, actually it fuels the fire.Then trying to say we are being closed minded when your company is digging at fans and our intelligence is basically low to what I respected with Bioware before.


4. Just because people dislike the endings does not mean they need to be called "whiny" or insulted because they disagree with your companies vision for the endings. Yes everyone gets a chance to explain their opinions but your company never acknowledges the people that say the endings don't work. All we ask is to take a good look and read what we liked about Mass Effect and disliked and add that to what you have already completed. If your company is honest about this being our story too then this request should make sense. 


5. I do hope that you are honestly saying to us that our voice has been heard and you have taken into account what we all want. Thanks for listening if you do read this. We all want Mass Effect to flourish. No one wants to own it, we just want to believe in it like we did before…if this makes any sense.

:innocent: Paragon

Modifié par akenn312, 12 mai 2012 - 02:13 .

[CaptainCalico]

Chris Priestly wrote...


3 - Duane is likely referencing that the person who wrote the article viewed the entire game of ME3 as an ending, which it is. This is what the team intended, which is the "gets it". Yes, you can discuss how successful we were or whatever, but this was the goal.

And they were doing a great job, and then they smashed it to bits in the last 10 minutes. 40+ hours of heartwrenching storytelling, ruined by 14 lines of nonsense thrown out of left field.

[Peregrin25]

GeoFukari wrote...

Peregrin25 wrote...

Zulmoka531 wrote...

With everything they say, they are hurting their future DLC sales for ME3, and perhaps game sales in the future.

The EC has to do one hell of a job to fix the negative spin lots of folks have taken up on Bioware in just a mere 2 months. I don't think I've seen disdain fester for a gaming company so quickly in...well I really can't quite say when I saw something like this.

DA2 seems like a slight breeze compared to this.

I think this and the whole way BioWare is handling the issues wether it be press release or twitter feeds or BSN posts. It's blasphemous to the rest of the gaming industry. I know all coroprations have their problems but this is taking it to new heights. 

We should start a Game Industry Inquisition MWHAHAHAHAHA!!!! only joking of course.

My friends and I were talking about this today. One day the Gamers are going to rise up against people like EA, Ubisoft and activision.(Yes.  They are people. Companies are people now. I know. Its disgusting)

Very few will survive the ensuing extermination. It will be on the scale of the Last Great Time War.

Or... You know... Companies can... like... get it right.

I am surprised it hasn't happened already.

[GeoFukari]

Peregrin25 wrote...

GeoFukari wrote...

Peregrin25 wrote...

Zulmoka531 wrote...

With everything they say, they are hurting their future DLC sales for ME3, and perhaps game sales in the future.

The EC has to do one hell of a job to fix the negative spin lots of folks have taken up on Bioware in just a mere 2 months. I don't think I've seen disdain fester for a gaming company so quickly in...well I really can't quite say when I saw something like this.

DA2 seems like a slight breeze compared to this.

I think this and the whole way BioWare is handling the issues wether it be press release or twitter feeds or BSN posts. It's blasphemous to the rest of the gaming industry. I know all coroprations have their problems but this is taking it to new heights. 

We should start a Game Industry Inquisition MWHAHAHAHAHA!!!! only joking of course.

My friends and I were talking about this today. One day the Gamers are going to rise up against people like EA, Ubisoft and activision.(Yes.  They are people. Companies are people now. I know. Its disgusting)

Very few will survive the ensuing extermination. It will be on the scale of the Last Great Time War.

Or... You know... Companies can... like... get it right.

I am surprised it hasn't happened already.

Well, most of us are just too lazy. But makr my words, one day, Gamers WILL fight back.

[felipejiraya]

When the whole debacle was starting to cool down here comes Mr. Duane Webb and kick the wasp nest again.

He's a dumb fool for doing it even if he has the right to express his own opinion about the issue.

[_aLucidMind_]

CaptainCalico wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...


3 - Duane is likely referencing that the person who wrote the article viewed the entire game of ME3 as an ending, which it is. This is what the team intended, which is the "gets it". Yes, you can discuss how successful we were or whatever, but this was the goal.

And they were doing a great job, and then they smashed it to bits in the last 10 minutes. 40+ hours of heartwrenching storytelling, ruined by 14 lines of nonsense thrown out of left field.

I wouldn't blame everyone, just Walters and Hudson. They wrote it by themselves, shut the entire team out, then just pushed it in without taking it through the proper channels (not even any peer review). Weekes himself says nobody on the writing team saw it until after it was put into the game.

[Mann42]

GeoFukari wrote...

Peregrin25 wrote...

GeoFukari wrote...

Peregrin25 wrote...

Zulmoka531 wrote...

With everything they say, they are hurting their future DLC sales for ME3, and perhaps game sales in the future.

The EC has to do one hell of a job to fix the negative spin lots of folks have taken up on Bioware in just a mere 2 months. I don't think I've seen disdain fester for a gaming company so quickly in...well I really can't quite say when I saw something like this.

DA2 seems like a slight breeze compared to this.

I think this and the whole way BioWare is handling the issues wether it be press release or twitter feeds or BSN posts. It's blasphemous to the rest of the gaming industry. I know all coroprations have their problems but this is taking it to new heights. 

We should start a Game Industry Inquisition MWHAHAHAHAHA!!!! only joking of course.

My friends and I were talking about this today. One day the Gamers are going to rise up against people like EA, Ubisoft and activision.(Yes.  They are people. Companies are people now. I know. Its disgusting)

Very few will survive the ensuing extermination. It will be on the scale of the Last Great Time War.

Or... You know... Companies can... like... get it right.

I am surprised it hasn't happened already.

Well, most of us are just too lazy. But makr my words, one day, Gamers WILL fight back.

Hey now! Go for the suits but spare the developers. I am one, and most of us don't like the corporate tone and the way it slaughters creativity and innovation, either. 

[Peregrin25]

nexworks wrote...

GeoFukari wrote...

Peregrin25 wrote...

GeoFukari wrote...

Peregrin25 wrote...

Zulmoka531 wrote...

With everything they say, they are hurting their future DLC sales for ME3, and perhaps game sales in the future.

The EC has to do one hell of a job to fix the negative spin lots of folks have taken up on Bioware in just a mere 2 months. I don't think I've seen disdain fester for a gaming company so quickly in...well I really can't quite say when I saw something like this.

DA2 seems like a slight breeze compared to this.

I think this and the whole way BioWare is handling the issues wether it be press release or twitter feeds or BSN posts. It's blasphemous to the rest of the gaming industry. I know all coroprations have their problems but this is taking it to new heights. 

We should start a Game Industry Inquisition MWHAHAHAHAHA!!!! only joking of course.

My friends and I were talking about this today. One day the Gamers are going to rise up against people like EA, Ubisoft and activision.(Yes.  They are people. Companies are people now. I know. Its disgusting)

Very few will survive the ensuing extermination. It will be on the scale of the Last Great Time War.

Or... You know... Companies can... like... get it right.

I am surprised it hasn't happened already.

Well, most of us are just too lazy. But makr my words, one day, Gamers WILL fight back.

Hey now! Go for the suits but spare the developers. I am one, and most of us don't like the corporate tone and the way it slaughters creativity and innovation, either. 

I agree with you, the higher ups that own the developers like EA, Activision etc.. are the problem. Only problem now is. If BioWare were to sucessfully break off of EA or EA let them go (hypothetically speaking) Bioware would take a while to get back to where they were. Being with EA I am sure their president and ceo of BioWare are and have been influenced by the dark side of the force that is EA. I am sure that influence would still be there for a while. Trying to get rid of it is like trying to get rid of herpies. It always comes back