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[Mann42]

LinksOcarina wrote...
Assuming Riccitello is making 2 million plus a year with bonuses, and is surrounded by said yes men.

I mean, he is not Bobby Kotick like that .

Well, it's an epidemic at the publisher level. I've seen it everywhere. It's an out of touch arrogance, whether from the best or worst of intentions, in which they are right, regardless of the facts, and capable of anything. And that attitude feeds itself among competitive people. 

And sometimes even inside development studios themselves.

I'm not saying Riccitello specifically, but it is not an uncommon social structure and attitude found at the corporate publisher level among board members, executives, and presidents. It's cultural, and no mega publisher is immune to it (at least at the moment). 

Modifié par nexworks, 12 mai 2012 - 03:43 .

[wantedman dan]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Every trilogy is a 30 hour ending sequence.

What? What are you even saying here?

Mass Effect 3 tied off as many loose ends as it could, finalized the storylines for squad-mates, friends, enemies, Shepard, and other characters.

Except that it didn't.

And had a large climax that including a mission to attempt to retake Earth. That entire sequence is the endgame I think people should refer to instead of the last ten minutes personally.

You call Retake: Earth climactic? A generic horde mode followed by a generic run sequence to the Stardouche and his circular, racist, and xenophobic logic?

But honestly, Mass Effect 3 did what every other trilogy did, it brought finality to the story. It brought a lot of closure, save for the last couple of minutes, which needs to be rectified. It brought the story to a close.

Again, except that it didn't. Mass Effect 3 blew a gaping hole in its own lore by the very events of the end.

So the question is what didn't it do. And we know the answer to that already.

Give us a proper, climactic, fulfilling ending sequence.

Just because we're getting closure on a story throughout its chapters, or by the very fact that it is the final installment, does not mean it's an "ending sequence."

[BABEik52092]

Basically, this whole things comes down to Webb and Bioware being like "The last game is the ending, and its the journey that the ending takes you on that matters and not the ending to the ending itself." Bulls***.

If I get on a plane ride back from a vacation to go home after having a great time with friends or whatever and right as we are about to touch down at home the plane's landing gear brakes off and the plane slams into the ground and catches fire, my last thoughts aren't going to be "Well, at least the vacation was good and I had a smooth flight", they are going to be "I wish I never got on this f***ing flight or went on that f***ing vacation."

[BDelacroix]

Weak

[2484Stryker]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Ok, stepping in here a second

1 - Duane is entitled to his opinion, just like you all are entitled to yours
2 - So is the writer of the article
3 - Duane is likely referencing that the person who wrote the article viewed the entire game of ME3 as an ending, which it is. This is what the team intended, which is the "gets it". Yes, you can discuss how successful we were or whatever, but this was the goal.
4 - Some people like the ending and they are welcome to express that here the same way that those who didn't like it express their opinions.
5 - Just because Duane does or doesn't feel a certain way doesn't mean anything about the Extended Cut.

I agree wholeheartedly with #1, 2, and 4; I feel indifferent regarding #3.

#5 I have a problem with.  If Duane's attitude is that most of the people who disliked the ending simply didn't "get it", then it implies a certain level of disappointment and/or confusion on his part, and also it wouldn't be a complete stretch to say that he's a little annoyed with us for not "getting it".  This may potentially impact on how much effort is put into the EC, and also what direction it takes.  This is especially true if Duane's attitude is shared by the majority of the ME team.

[Hihoshi101]

So I just read some more of Duane Webb tweets I think he may be trolling us... Like having fun with see how we scatter out and yell when they say something they know will irk us. maybe?

[Torrible]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Torrible wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I've seen the same excuse from.pro-enders....ME3 is one big ending, therefore it covers everything.....


I'm sorry, but that is a terrible excuse......and even if ME3 were just one big ending, its ALL UNDONE BY IT'S OWN ENDING LOL

Not only does it render every choice you've made throughout the series useless, it renders ME3 useless.....yay we cured the genophage.....but I doesn't matter.....yay we united Turians, salarians, and.Krogan.....just to kill everything.....

I've seen the same presumption from anti-enders....everyone dies.

No, only synthetics get destroyed with the destroy option. Bioware has CLARIFIED. Mass relays are not destroyed. There is no galactic starvation. 

They just don't get it.

Haha they've "clarified"? Please tell me this is sarcasm and not conviction.....


You're going to let them use Twitter to kill off characters and retcon cinematic scenes within the series ?! Pass what you smoking bro.....

You know they are going to clarify this further in the EC right? The tweets are not the end all and be all of explanations, merely created to temporarily address the "everyone's dead" hysteria that was going around the boards. 

Apparently you still don't get it. 

[xsdob]

Hey guys what's going on here? 

Modifié par xsdob, 12 mai 2012 - 05:07 .

[Torrible]

Hihoshi101 wrote...

So I just read some more of Duane Webb tweets I think he may be trolling us... Like having fun with see how we scatter out and yell when they say something they know will irk us. maybe?

Apparently some of the people here get irked by the wind blowing the wrong way.

'You don't get it' = big insult
'Mr Webb is an idiot' = justified opinion


BSN logic amazes me.

[SovereignWillReturn]

If by goodbye, Bioware means, " EFF YOU HERE'S OUR SPECULATORY RAISED MIDDLE FINGER"

Then yes, someone gets it.

[Hihoshi101]

Torrible wrote...

Hihoshi101 wrote...

So I just read some more of Duane Webb tweets I think he may be trolling us... Like having fun with see how we scatter out and yell when they say something they know will irk us. maybe?

Apparently some of the people here get irked by the wind blowing the wrong way.

'You don't get it' = big insult
'Mr Webb is an idiot' = justified opinion


BSN logic amazes me.

I am just saying  but yeah... Some people like to push buttons and if I am right he got what he wanted like a kid at school poking you and you get inttrouble because you made the sound. There was no true harm intend by the action but effect was greater than was intended.

[xsdob]

Torrible wrote...

Hihoshi101 wrote...

So I just read some more of Duane Webb tweets I think he may be trolling us... Like having fun with see how we scatter out and yell when they say something they know will irk us. maybe?

Apparently some of the people here get irked by the wind blowing the wrong way.

'You don't get it' = big insult
'Mr Webb is an idiot' = justified opinion


BSN logic amazes me.

Also,

Free multiplayer dlc = bioware doesn't care about the fans.

I know that some people don't play multiplayer but a lot of others do. The traffic in the multiplayer thread is the same as this one's so there's got to be close to even there.

Modifié par xsdob, 12 mai 2012 - 05:17 .

[Torrible]

xsdob wrote...

Torrible wrote...

Hihoshi101 wrote...

So I just read some more of Duane Webb tweets I think he may be trolling us... Like having fun with see how we scatter out and yell when they say something they know will irk us. maybe?

Apparently some of the people here get irked by the wind blowing the wrong way.

'You don't get it' = big insult
'Mr Webb is an idiot' = justified opinion


BSN logic amazes me.

Also,

Free multiplayer dlc = bioware doesn't care about the fans.

I know that some people don't play multiplayer but a lot of others do. The traffic in the multiplayer thread is the same as this one's so there's got to be close to even there.

Yeah. Multiplayer really adds massive replay value to the game. The gameplay is what got me to keep playing even after completing my 3rd playthrough. 

[chemiclord]

Well then, you guys aren't TRUE Mass Effect fans, obviously.

Multiplayer has no place in the series. Didn't you all get that memo?

Modifié par chemiclord, 12 mai 2012 - 06:04 .

[LeTtotheC]

Following this logic, Return of the Jedi was one long big goodbye... Oh, wait, no it wasn't. It was the defeat of a vastly superior enemy (in numbers) by a handful of people doing the right thing. The Battle of Endor was the climax, and everything after that was the wrapping things up. But that kind of story telling requires effort, something Bioware didn't put into a universe that deserved it.

[EnvyTB075]

chemiclord wrote...

Well then, you guys aren't TRUE Mass Effect fans, obviously.

Multiplayer has no place in the series. Didn't you all get that memo?

I don't agree with them, but thats a bridge too far.

[LeTtotheC]

xsdob wrote...

Torrible wrote...

Hihoshi101 wrote...

So I just read some more of Duane Webb tweets I think he may be trolling us... Like having fun with see how we scatter out and yell when they say something they know will irk us. maybe?

Apparently some of the people here get irked by the wind blowing the wrong way.

'You don't get it' = big insult
'Mr Webb is an idiot' = justified opinion


BSN logic amazes me.

Or maybe some of us just see the release of it as free for what it is - trying to placate fans via a PR move.  What can I say?  I'm  a cynic, and one that hasn't seen Bioware do much to rectify a situation which has a lot of people's noses out of joint.  Kudos to them for creating a universe we care about, but they dropped the ball when it came to providing a fitting ending.  


Also,

Free multiplayer dlc = bioware doesn't care about the fans.

I know that some people don't play multiplayer but a lot of others do. The traffic in the multiplayer thread is the same as this one's so there's got to be close to even there.

[Kunari801]

In many was, yes there is a bunch of endings all through ME. Some of those much more powerful, meaningful, touching, and perfectly bittersweet than Shepards final ending. I get it, I still don't like the last 10min of ME3.

[Mcfly616]

Torrible wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Torrible wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

I've seen the same excuse from.pro-enders....ME3 is one big ending, therefore it covers everything.....


I'm sorry, but that is a terrible excuse......and even if ME3 were just one big ending, its ALL UNDONE BY IT'S OWN ENDING LOL

Not only does it render every choice you've made throughout the series useless, it renders ME3 useless.....yay we cured the genophage.....but I doesn't matter.....yay we united Turians, salarians, and.Krogan.....just to kill everything.....

I've seen the same presumption from anti-enders....everyone dies.

No, only synthetics get destroyed with the destroy option. Bioware has CLARIFIED. Mass relays are not destroyed. There is no galactic starvation. 

They just don't get it.

Haha they've "clarified"? Please tell me this is sarcasm and not conviction.....


You're going to let them use Twitter to kill off characters and retcon cinematic scenes within the series ?! Pass what you smoking bro.....

You know they are going to clarify this further in the EC right? The tweets are not the end all and be all of explanations, merely created to temporarily address the "everyone's dead" hysteria that was going around the boards. 

Apparently you still don't get it. 

You know how I know the ending SUCKS? Hmm the simple fact that they need to clarify wtf it was lol


You know how I know the Extended Cut will SUCK? because they're clarifying the current ending and doing nothing to fix it......



If the ending of your trilogy involves your audience using their imagination to conclude it......IT SUCKS!!!!!.....Fact

[Mcfly616]

LeTtotheC wrote...

Following this logic, Return of the Jedi was one long big goodbye... Oh, wait, no it wasn't. It was the defeat of a vastly superior enemy (in numbers) by a handful of people doing the right thing. The Battle of Endor was the climax, and everything after that was the wrapping things up. But that kind of story telling requires effort, something Bioware didn't put into a universe that deserved it.

Even though it was the worst of the Original SW trilogy(my opinion).....atleast Return of the Jedi ended as a true trilogy should( fact).....victory through sacrifice.....and feeling like a hero afterwards....no burning questions.....no loose ends....no using your imagination to figure out how it ended.....yeah.....

[Mcfly616]

Using this newfound logic, we could basically say everytime a mission or side-quest is completed, its an ending....lol asinine really....


Looking at it that way, I guess the last 10 minutes is much less important.....


NOT!!!!


WHAT A PATHETIC COP OUT.....seriously quite pathetic

[Iakus]

Mcfly616 wrote...

LeTtotheC wrote...

Following this logic, Return of the Jedi was one long big goodbye... Oh, wait, no it wasn't. It was the defeat of a vastly superior enemy (in numbers) by a handful of people doing the right thing. The Battle of Endor was the climax, and everything after that was the wrapping things up. But that kind of story telling requires effort, something Bioware didn't put into a universe that deserved it.

Even though it was the worst of the Original SW trilogy(my opinion).....atleast Return of the Jedi ended as a true trilogy should( fact).....victory through sacrifice.....and feeling like a hero afterwards....no burning questions.....no loose ends....no using your imagination to figure out how it ended.....yeah.....

If Return of the Jedi was done the same way as Bioware, we would have seen the Death Star exploding, but not Luke getting into a shuttle beforehand.

The Millenium Falcon would have crashed on an unknown planet for unknown reasons, and Han and Leia would have stepped out of it even though they were last seen on Endor.

But it's such an artistic ending, you just don't get it! 

[LeTtotheC]

Mcfly616 wrote...

LeTtotheC wrote...

Following this logic, Return of the Jedi was one long big goodbye... Oh, wait, no it wasn't. It was the defeat of a vastly superior enemy (in numbers) by a handful of people doing the right thing. The Battle of Endor was the climax, and everything after that was the wrapping things up. But that kind of story telling requires effort, something Bioware didn't put into a universe that deserved it.

Even though it was the worst of the Original SW trilogy(my opinion).....atleast Return of the Jedi ended as a true trilogy should( fact).....victory through sacrifice.....and feeling like a hero afterwards....no burning questions.....no loose ends....no using your imagination to figure out how it ended.....yeah.....

Blame it on the Ewoks and the need to merchandise the hell out of everything.  It's the weakest of the three, but it's still a damned good romp.  It gave us the emotional closure we needed - Hand and Leia getting it together, Luke becomes a full Jedi, and even Darth Vader turns his back to the dark side in his only act of being a proper father. Every character arc is completed without feeling like the character was in anyway betrayed or the dumped on from a great height.

Hence it's still held in high regards, if it didn't live up The Empire Strikes Back.

[Mcfly616]

Well, the best part is, we don't have to use our imagination to have closure....its right there in front of us in Return of the Jedi

[Ultra Prism]

I wish I could get it too ... I expected Epic conclusion .. yeah started awesome epic with Tunchanka missions, then Rannoch ... then it just got sad and seriously boring in Priority earth ... then comes choices of endings and don't deliver one thing ... so what happens after Shepard choose... all we see is Normandy crashing and crewing coming out ... and my crew got mysteriously picked up .. SURE Bioware you are such Genius ... I mean I never thought of such ending where pisses of fans and gamers who just want have good time