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[Kunari801]

ME3 would have had a near perfect bittersweet ending if Shepard had bleedout next to Anderson watching the crucible fire off destroying the Reapers. High EMS keep the breath scene and Stargazer. Just remove the Normandy crash.

[Jayleia]

Baa Baa wrote...

"The Ending lasted 34 hours" I can give no credibility to someone who says something that sounds that silly

No, it didn't last 34 hours.  It just felt that way

[cuzsal]

Xellith wrote...

If nobody can "get" your art - then you failed hard as an artist.

if i could i would give you a cupcake

to bad EA or Bioware do not even care to listen

[kratosmr]

The guy looks like a douch and is clearly acting like one too. Another Bioware employee who is essentially insulting the customers. In any other job that would be a sackable offence. Its not that the ending is not understood it is, it just sucks. And I am not going into details as to why synthesis is just wrong.. Are these guys really that arrogant to think they can do no wrong. As if the lying wasn't bad enough.Wow.

[Funkdrspot]

IanPolaris wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

The problem is simply that for every person who has valid concerns over the end and expresses them in a logical way, there are 5 others who are being obtuse, whiny and attempt to find flaws where there aren't any. Then there are the 100 people parroting the words of those 5 in typical group-think fashion.

So if you're one of former, you shouldn't get defensive when Bioware argues that people don't get it, b/c you're not one of those people.

This is commerical art.  If the vast majority of your fan base "doesn't get it" then you fail.  Period.  End. Of. Discussion.

All art is commerical in one aspect or another. Art has almost always been sold or bartered.

I'm not saying the end was good. It wasn't. That wasn't my point. My
point is that the majority of people on planet earth are dim. They're
group thinkers. Instead of finding opposing viewpoints, they gravitate
towards views that confirm their previously held biases. We've got a
bunch of parrots that like to repeat stuff they've heard despite if it's
actually a plothole or not. So excuse me if I don't prescribe to the appeal to majority doctrine.

IanPolaris wrote...But then what do I know?  I'm just a paying customer.  I guess I am not worthy and unable to appreciate the artistic greatness of bioware.

All hail the artistic greatness of bioware.

-Polaris

Nice straw man. Completely missing the point here. Either you're purposely being obtuse or you ARE one of the people he's talking about, which is it? 

[Reth Shepherd]

Kunari801 wrote...

ME3 would have had a near perfect bittersweet ending if Shepard had bleedout next to Anderson watching the crucible fire off destroying the Reapers. High EMS keep the breath scene and Stargazer. Just remove the Normandy crash.

I believe you will find this fan-edited video to your taste, then.

[palker]

I stopped reading when he said that he chose synthesis and that it was a good choice. Clearly he has been indoctrinated.

[IanPolaris]

Funkdrspot wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

The problem is simply that for every person who has valid concerns over the end and expresses them in a logical way, there are 5 others who are being obtuse, whiny and attempt to find flaws where there aren't any. Then there are the 100 people parroting the words of those 5 in typical group-think fashion.

So if you're one of former, you shouldn't get defensive when Bioware argues that people don't get it, b/c you're not one of those people.

This is commerical art.  If the vast majority of your fan base "doesn't get it" then you fail.  Period.  End. Of. Discussion.

All art is commerical in one aspect or another. Art has almost always been sold or bartered.

I'm not saying the end was good. It wasn't. That wasn't my point. My
point is that the majority of people on planet earth are dim. They're
group thinkers. Instead of finding opposing viewpoints, they gravitate
towards views that confirm their previously held biases. We've got a
bunch of parrots that like to repeat stuff they've heard despite if it's
actually a plothole or not. So excuse me if I don't prescribe to the appeal to majority doctrine.

Guess what.  Art is not meant to be put up on some pedestal immune from criticism.  In fact almost ALL art has been sponsered by patrons, and guess what?  If you partron doesn't like your product, you starve.  The fact is that WE the consumers ARE the patrons here, and we have spoken.  Basically if ART can't appeal to it's audience, it's not ART or at least not successful art.  Don't take my word for it.  Go ask people that ARE professional artists and they will say the same.

IanPolaris wrote...But then what do I know?  I'm just a paying customer.  I guess I am not worthy and unable to appreciate the artistic greatness of bioware.

All hail the artistic greatness of bioware.

-Polaris

Nice straw man. Completely missing the point here. Either you're purposely being obtuse or you ARE one of the people he's talking about, which is it? 

Do you even know what that means?  I was making a point, very sacastically to be sure, but it was not a strawman.  It was very much on point.  If you talk down to those who you are supposed to be selling your prodcut to, then don't be suprised if your customers don't appreciate being talked down to....just like you just did to me.

-Polaris

[Kunari801]

I've got that one in my fav's already. . This one is my ultimate fact one. http://m.youtube.com...?v=HiY0KMs6cMM.

Posting from mobile so don't know if it'll work.

[Reth Shepherd]

Had to edit the link a bit, but it worked. Looks good, I'll have to check it out tomorrow when I can actually play the sound. Thanks for the link, that's a new one to me!

[Kunari801]

I don't play fem sheps but I like the extended Anderson convo and LI ending. Liara isn't my LI either but I can picture my LI there instead.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I got it but that, but it didn't work. THE ENDING NEEDS A END, but as it stands it has none.

[Kunari801]

Kunari801 wrote...

In many was, yes there is a bunch of endings all through ME. Some of those much more powerful, meaningful, touching, and perfectly bittersweet than Shepards final ending. I get it, I still don't like the last 10min of ME3.

[Applepie_Svk]

Most of what pissing me off is that attitude :

When some World Press release review abot ME3 it´s all about how great is this game and there is no real complains about ending of ME3, about lot of plotholes, about cut content ... etc, etc
Almost every time it´s 90% 95% 100% ratings but almost none in press has a guts to say: BioWare ME3 is maybe the last instalment of Sheppard´story but still you screw it. - You realy can´t deffend that mess in the few last minuts with this kind of : Whole ME3 was ending ... it´s so...so stupid to say that ...
Fans were upset from start only with endings but after second, third ... playthroughts they realized there was a few more holes which were waiting ... like a Rachni (It´s understanable that Reapers have a DNA of rachni somewhere in pocket but still it´s shame that we have a same mision on same planet with different quen.... why they just don´t keep Rachni quen onboard of one ship or already assaulted homeworlds .... just thought)

When Fanbase of ME3 complaining about game than we are in World Press bunch of whiny babies which only can complain about Ending and everythin ... Few days ago i have seen such a funny title: ME3 Fans complain about Titanic ending ... yea lol nice JK
The true is that previous instalments of game set a SCORE much high and lot of fans which played previous game are upset how much things you screw. So many times you told us about how you care for storyteling and all that stuff and in the end we have a plotholes with size of TEXAS and lot of dead characters which died in Twitter and Mails .... Where is that storyteling now ?

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 12 mai 2012 - 11:38 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Ok, stepping in here a second

1 - Duane is entitled to his opinion, just like you all are entitled to yours
2 - So is the writer of the article

As if either of those things needed to be said. 

The first point reflects though. As a pretty senior member of staff I question whether he should be giving his opinion, or at least wording it in such a way. 

3 - Duane is likely referencing that the person who wrote the article viewed the entire game of ME3 as an ending, which it is. This is what the team intended, which is the "gets it". Yes, you can discuss how successful we were or whatever, but this was the goal.

Well, first, that's a cop-out. 

Second, I very much believe this is said in hingsight. 

Third, you utterly failed. A third of a story is not an ending. If so, there would be no defined end-point that you are building towards. The existance of a final mission (that's Priority: Earth, the part most people hate), that you are supposed to be preparing for, kind of undermines this. Leaving the finale very much ambiguous and open-ended also undermines this. 

4 - Some people like the ending and they are welcome to express that here the same way that those who didn't like it express their opinions.

Another thing which I wonder whether it needed to be said. 

5 - Just because Duane does or doesn't feel a certain way doesn't mean anything about the Extended Cut.

Does it? BioWare hasn't exactly appeared the modest artsist you sometimes try to portray yourselves as. When a memeber of staff says something like this then it makes people question whether the EC will be up to scratch. 

[Stigweird85]

This is mainly directed at @Polaris but anyone can answer. I must ask, at this stage is there anything(realistically) that Bioware can do to please you?

You don't like the endings, and you criticise
Bioware announce an Extended Cut and you critise without knowing anything about it.
Somebody with a different opinon comments and you criticise.

It seems to me that you are only happy when you can criticise.

I don't believe that a literal intrepretation of the endings makes much sense in the Mass Effect universe which is why I tend to support the indoctrination theory(link is in my signature) however I wouldn't say the Bioware "failed" nor would I say that players "failed to understand"

You keep bringing up the Art argument but Art is open to intrepretation, what I find moving and meaningful some may think is a bunch of squiggles and vice versa there is no right or wrong when it comes to Art unless categorically the artist in question says this is what I meant, this is what it means and even then it can be argued in some cases that it is only what it meant to them and that someone else may apply their own meaning.

I get that you are unhappy but you seem to be taking this whole issue rather personally at the end of the day Mass Effect is a work of fiction, it is for entertainment purposes there is no need to get stressed or angry about it. If you feel wronged in anyway by Bioware/EA vote with your wallet, don't buy the next title they release. We are the consumer and EA/Bioware will only exist as long as we let them. If enough people do this they will get the message.

Personally, I still trust Bioware I see things that I don't like about them since EA took over but I still like their overall products and will continue to buy their merchandise and their games

[omntt]

Anyone who supports synthesis as it stands now is irremediably indoctrinated.

[Malchat]

bigstig wrote...

This is mainly directed at @Polaris but anyone can answer. I must ask, at this stage is there anything(realistically) that Bioware can do to please you?

Yes: level with me.

Deny or acknowledge that the ending may be flawed and genuinely discuss the artistic choices  - no weasel wording, no condescension, no hiding behind 75 perfect reviews, pundit posturing, semantic games, user statistics, sentiment reports and meaningless phrases - just a straightforward explanation from the people who actually authored these choices.

I never asked for DLC or wholesale game changes - I just wanted Bioware to appreciate my disappointment and tell me why it came out the way it did. And if I'm wrong in my perspective, just grow a pair and say it to my face instead of having a handful of beleagured pro-ender fans fighting the good fight.

That's why I became active on BSN on Twitter... to get some answers straight from the source. Instead I got... well, you know the rest.

Modifié par Malchat, 12 mai 2012 - 12:20 .

[Forsythia]

I love how some guys at BioWare keep telling those who do not like the ending that they are basically idiots and don't get it.

Everytime I start to believe (some employees of) BioWare cannot treat their fans any worse, a new annoucement like this is made. Keep digging!

To clarify my feelings about the ending:

Modifié par Forsythia, 12 mai 2012 - 12:22 .

[elessarz]

I see now that there is a fundamental divide between what BioWare think they've achieved and what they have actually delivered. This is an inexcusable failure and the hallmark of mediocrity.

Modifié par elessarz, 12 mai 2012 - 02:51 .

[wicked_being]

Kind of makes me wonder why I'm continuing to be hopeful the EC will deliver.

[nicethugbert]

omntt wrote...

Anyone who supports synthesis as it stands now is irremediably indoctrinated.

People who think others are indoctrinated are in denial, about their own indoctrination.

MIND BLOWN!  Reapa style!

[The Angry One]

omntt wrote...

Anyone who supports synthesis as it stands now is irremediably indoctrinated.

That is a far more polite term than I'd use.

[QuantumSheep13]

*sniff sniff*

Duane's tweet smells like more bad PR from Bioware. I'm starting to get quite used to that smell.

[Mims]

It troubles me that most bioware devs seem to glorify synthesis as the right answer. Which is fine, its within their right to like that ending. But you can't have all endings be 'valid' conclusions and then hide behind synthesis's as 'what we meant'.

I think synthesis, tossing out my haaate of it, is the only ending that seems to be somewhat shambling along. People who like it, like it. You rarely hear the same from destroy, and almost never from poor control. [And if any ending got the short end of the stick, it was control.]

But...that essentially means you have a game where only one ending works. And its a really controversial ending at that.