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[twizbuck]

Really? The entire game was the ending. That's what they're trying to drive across.

... I can't say anything. It's too frustrating.

[Cirreus]

twizbuck wrote...

Really? The entire game was the ending. That's what they're trying to drive across.

... I can't say anything. It's too frustrating.

Yeah apparently everyone in the press felt that ME3 was the "end" or some sort of "swan song" farewell. Even the Penny Arcade guys said they felt the same. It's like everyone but the customer was "in" on this memo. It's complete bull sh*t. I didn't pay for the "end" of Mass Effect. The box says Mass Effect 3, but I certainly don't feel like I got that.

It's like watching Star Wars A New Hope, Empire Strikes back in it's entirety, then going to see Return of the Jedi, but only getting the Battle of Endor ...

"It's a trap!" ... indeed.

[Demigod]

The last game in a series is and ending in of itself. However the Conclusion of that ending game, the very last chapter if you will, has a heightened importance as it colours the preceding games in the players mind.
The conclusion has in ten minutes demoted what was a great series to something less. Argue the whole game constitutes the end if you will but the conclusion, the end chapter, should still be of paramount importance and it wasn't. It needed a lot more work to make sense with in the ending game itself and a lot more to not flatly contradict and rubbish points made in the previous two games.
So yes the third game is and ending but the conclusion to that ending is still a needlessly plot holed mess

[Terror_K]

Cirreus wrote...

It's like watching Star Wars A New Hope, Empire Strikes back in it's entirety, then going to see Return of the Jedi, but only getting the Battle of Endor ...

"It's a trap!" ... indeed.

And when the Death Star blows up at the end, it takes out Endor and the Rebel fleet as well, killing everybody.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

Terror_K wrote...

Cirreus wrote...

It's like watching Star Wars A New Hope, Empire Strikes back in it's entirety, then going to see Return of the Jedi, but only getting the Battle of Endor ...

"It's a trap!" ... indeed.

And when the Death Star blows up at the end, it takes out Endor and the Rebel fleet as well, killing everybody.

"But we still won!" Now that would be bittersweet.
Thanks god Lucas didn't use this line of thinking. He wanted to create art that people could actually enjoy most.

Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 13 mai 2012 - 09:03 .

[mupchu777]

Not that anyone will listen but I sorta agree with the article... No I do think the ending still needs to be changed to give better closure but honestly I'm okay with shepard dying and even the star child. The only thing that bothered me was the lack of closure with the ending... and I did the destroy ending so what was meant as a bonus (where shepard was alive) actually made it a worse ending... I think the synthesis ending was probably the better ending sans EC... (even though I don't think they meant it that way). This game was always meant to end the series and it does that to a degree. With what little information has been leaked about the ending I think I'll be pleased with it. I have to say though... I'm going through a second play through now, and the game is just sooooooo good. So many things I missed on my play through... lots of things connecting all the games, great dialog... I will really miss these characters... Hoping for the EC to really close the game on a happy note though. Thanks Bioware!!!

[Total Biscuit]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Cirreus wrote...

It's like watching Star Wars A New Hope, Empire Strikes back in it's entirety, then going to see Return of the Jedi, but only getting the Battle of Endor ...

"It's a trap!" ... indeed.

And when the Death Star blows up at the end, it takes out Endor and the Rebel fleet as well, killing everybody.

"But we still won!" Now that would be bittersweet.
Thanks god Lucas didn't use this line of thinking. He wanted to create art that people could actually enjoy most.

If I remember correctly the original ending of ROTJ included Lando and the Millenium Falcon failing to get out of the Death Star befor it blew, and dying. Which the audiences at test screenings hated, and so it got changed. And that's why everyone hates Star Wars and will tell you none of it has any artistic integrity or worth.

[Swimming Ferret]

Xellith wrote...

If nobody can "get" your art - then you failed hard as an artist.

BOOM!

[Mysten]

Cirreus wrote...

twizbuck wrote...

Really? The entire game was the ending. That's what they're trying to drive across.

... I can't say anything. It's too frustrating.

Yeah apparently everyone in the press felt that ME3 was the "end" or some sort of "swan song" farewell. Even the Penny Arcade guys said they felt the same. It's like everyone but the customer was "in" on this memo.

No, they said it enough times. I'm surprised you missed it, especially since this was basically the opening line of every single identical press interview Casey gave before launch.

[ollec92]

This basically summarizes my thoughts on the ending

[CrazyRah]

Who the heck is this dude? And Kotaku.. ugh why do this site still exist

[Peranor]

generalleo03 wrote...

A long post. Click here to read it =)

Great post. It's long but worth the read

[SilentWolfie]

OH. So the devs' creative design is to create an ending where it's all about Shepard saving people etc for 34 hours as an ending.

Hmm.

At the risk at getting my ID banned or something and honestly I don't care anymore about Bioware, here's my opinion. The dev who wrote 'Finally someone who gets it', you're a douchebag. You're a super douchebag.

I JUST DON'T get it. God. Damn. It. I had to log in because this was BEYOND insulting. So over hundreds of thousands of players "who don't get it" just got insulted again. Oh my god. And this gag order on insulting devs/staff? Screw that. Either control your own staff or remove it. Do you really think we are some mentally deficit morons who're poorly educated? An average player stated your ending sucks. People who play games all the time stated it sucks. Other higher educated users like a literature professor wrote his piece on why your ending sucks. The ending sucks, period, as claimed by many people. Writing "Someone got what we are trying to do!!!" is about the best evidence as to how Bioware COMPLETELY misses what the players care about.

I don't need to reiterate as to why the ending sucks again because that's the topic two months ago. Jesus Christ.

Modifié par SilentWolfie, 13 mai 2012 - 12:09 .

[royceclemens]

::sigh::

Y'know, one or two more miraculously tone-deaf comments like these from BioWare employees, and they'll have managed the minor miracle of getting me to turn down free DLC.

Author hubris at its most condescending. Shyamalan-esque in its complete obliviousness. Remember, kids: It's never your fault if no one likes the art you made. It's just the audience being uncooperative.

Modifié par royceclemens, 13 mai 2012 - 02:17 .

[The Vanquished1]

SilentWolfie wrote...

OH. So the devs' creative design is to create an ending where it's all about Shepard saving people etc for 34 hours as an ending.

Hmm.

At the risk at getting my ID banned or something and honestly I don't care anymore about Bioware, here's my opinion. The dev who wrote 'Finally someone who gets it', you're a douchebag. You're a super douchebag.

I JUST DON'T get it. God. Damn. It. I had to log in because this was BEYOND insulting. So over hundreds of thousands of players "who don't get it" just got insulted again. Oh my god. And this gag order on insulting devs/staff? Screw that. Either control your own staff or remove it. Do you really think we are some mentally deficit morons who're poorly educated? An average player stated your ending sucks. People who play games all the time stated it sucks. Other higher educated users like a literature professor wrote his piece on why your ending sucks. The ending sucks, period, as claimed by many people. Writing "Someone got what we are trying to do!!!" is about the best evidence as to how Bioware COMPLETELY misses what the players care about.

I don't need to reiterate as to why the ending sucks again because that's the topic two months ago. Jesus Christ.

+1000

[Rm80]

I can agree that the whole game was a big ending and that alot of the big issues got resolved (genophage, the geth wars and the end of the reapers). You even can take your goodbyes to your old squadies in a holocall before the attack on the citadel.

The scene with Shep and Andersson dying on the citadel is really powerful

Believe me when I say that I loved the game up to that point,

That does not change the fact however that I hate the last minutes of the game and that pulling out a new character that totally changes the rules and everything you struggled for in all three games in the last minute is......is ah I can't even find appropriate words for what I think of it.

Even tho I know that I wont get rid of godchild in the extended dlc I still believe that it can be good.

[alec1898]

SirCroft wrote...

Hey, check out my invisibility cloak! Only smart people can see it!

You deserve so many internets for that.

[Zolt51]

ReggarBlane wrote...


Duane Webb: Co-director of Production at BioWare. Franchise Project Manager for Mass Effect.

He is referring to this article.
My Mass Effect 3 Ending Lasted 34 Hours. It Was Wonderful.

The article essentially says that ME3 is one long goodbye to everyone and everything in Mass Effect.

Hm, I think you're making a mountain out of nothing.

If I say "you don't get it", you're entitled to feel offended. But if someone from Bioware says: "this guy gets it" it's another thing entirely.

Lack of closure was one of the main complaints about the ME3 ending (at least early on), and one of the reasons for that is that Bioware decided to give closure about the various characters and subplot during the course of the game, instead of bundling it all into the final 10 minutes. It may not have gone well with you, but that was their intention. 

So if someone says: hm, I think that's what Bioware was trying to do, and gets it right, it's perfectly normal to say "this guy gets it" and should not be offensive to anyone.

Modifié par Zolt51, 13 mai 2012 - 05:24 .

[unoriginalname1133]

Zolt51 wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...


Duane Webb: Co-director of Production at BioWare. Franchise Project Manager for Mass Effect.

He is referring to this article.
My Mass Effect 3 Ending Lasted 34 Hours. It Was Wonderful.

The article essentially says that ME3 is one long goodbye to everyone and everything in Mass Effect.

Hm, I think you're making a mountain out of nothing.

If I say "you don't get it", you're entitled to feel offended. But if someone from Bioware says: "this guy gets it" it's another thing entirely.

Lack of closure was one of the main complaints about the ME3 ending (at least early on), and one of the reasons for that is that Bioware decided to give closure about the various characters and subplot during the course of the game, instead of bundling it all into the final 10 minutes. It may not have gone well with you, but that was their intention. 

So if someone says: hm, I think that's what Bioware was trying to do, and gets it right, it's perfectly normal to say "this guy gets it" and should not be offensive to anyone.

I respectfully disagree about the rest of the game providing legitimate closure. Sure, some issues were resolved in a short term sense, but even during ME3 itself, we were actually given MORE issues that needed to be resolved. Take curing the genophage. The only thing that was actually resolved was the mere act of curing it and which war assets you would get. We are still left to ponder whether or not this was right thing to do in the long term. Was the Dalatrass right about the Krogan running amuck once cured? Could Wrex and Eve steer them towards peace? We can only speculate, and as such I cannont see how this could be called closure. Similar problems arise with the Rannoch situation. Could the Geth and Quarians live together in peace? We'll never know (as things stand now, at least), so no closure here either. Even the "goodbyes" at the end held promises fot the future (getting drinks with Jacob, more time with Tali, etc). So to me, it doesn't matter what semantics you want to play by calling the rest of the game "the ending;" we never got closure in any way that mattered 

Modifié par unoriginalname1133, 13 mai 2012 - 06:02 .

[Noblewolf]

The Vanquished1 wrote...

SilentWolfie wrote...

Do you really think we are some mentally deficit morons who're poorly educated?

+1000

Sums 60% of BSN up.

[PillarBiter]

I pretty much view mass effect 3 as a singularity power with rank 6 growing evolution.

It grows, grows, GROWS, GROWS.... and then poof. Nothing.

That said, I always understood the full mass effect 3 game to be n ending. But that doesn't mean the ending of the ending should be anticlimactic.

[Tasker]

Terror_K wrote...

Cirreus wrote...

It's like watching Star Wars A New Hope, Empire Strikes back in it's entirety, then going to see Return of the Jedi, but only getting the Battle of Endor ...

"It's a trap!" ... indeed.

And when the Death Star blows up at the end, it takes out Endor and the Rebel fleet as well, killing everybody.

And then the Imperial fleet - That everyone conveniently forgot about but was never actually destroyed - Flying off and taking over the rest of the universe.


If the whole of ME3 was supposed to be the ending then how was it the perfect jumping in point for new players?

That's like saying watching the last episode of Lost was the perfect place to start watching it.

Total bag of balls.

Modifié par Orkboy, 13 mai 2012 - 06:28 .

[SilentWolfie]

Noblewolf wrote...

The Vanquished1 wrote...

SilentWolfie wrote...

Do you really think we are some mentally deficit morons who're poorly educated?

+1000

Sums 60% of BSN up.

I am certainly floored at how you came up with the magical number of 60% when the initial movement was mostly filled with polite people who merely wanted Bioware to change the ending. After which Bioware came up with the idea of stating artistic vision and integrity, as well as "Extended cut" of the 3 endings and saying, no players, we're never, ever going to change the ending, may have lead into splits as to whether Bioware is trying to **** players.

You must be happy stroking your own ego from being condescending, I guess.

[PaulSX]

in my play-through of Mass Effect 3 I came to think of the entire game as the ending.

Exactly what I tought when I beat ME3 for the frist time. to me, mass effect 3 is like baldurs gate II throne of bhaal. the whole game , not the last 15 mins ending sequence, is a summary of Shepard's final fate . The last 10-15 mins may not be perfect but it's servicable.

[CELL55]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

But it reflects everything you do Mr. Priestly.

One person represents a company in the minds of people, especially someone who is as high up as he is.

And he is every bit as right in his opinion as you are in yours.

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