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[HarlequinDream]

I found this interesting. When I did a run through of the Mage origin again, I asked Duncan if he'd ever seen blood magic. He responds that he's seen Mage Wardens use blood magic to fight the darkspawn, and he doesn't sound like he disapproves.

Makes me wonder what he'd think of Morrigan's ritual.

[Saurel]

If said god-child would go on to be the Super Archdemon killer, I'm sure hed be in favor.

Its funny is this after he talks about seeing a Blood Mage fight off Templars? I never heard him mention Darkspawn.

Modifié par Saurel, 09 décembre 2009 - 05:36 .

[Statulos]

That´s complicated. Duncan clearly states that as long as the Blight is stoped, the means are irrelevant.



On the other hand, he (and probably not even Morrigan or Flemeth) cannot be sure of what the kid will be because this "cheat" has never been used before, so maybe stoping the Blight is like jumping from the pan to land on the ashes...

[EJ42]

HarlequinDream wrote...

I found this interesting. When I did a run through of the Mage origin again, I asked Duncan if he'd ever seen blood magic. He responds that he's seen Mage Wardens use blood magic to fight the darkspawn, and he doesn't sound like he disapproves.

Makes me wonder what he'd think of Morrigan's ritual.

He's a little bit too dead to think anything of it.

[Fryce]

EJ42 wrote...

HarlequinDream wrote...

I found this interesting. When I did a run through of the Mage origin again, I asked Duncan if he'd ever seen blood magic. He responds that he's seen Mage Wardens use blood magic to fight the darkspawn, and he doesn't sound like he disapproves.

Makes me wonder what he'd think of Morrigan's ritual.

He's a little bit too dead to think anything of it.

"In war, victory
In peace, vigilance
In death, sacrifice"

Modifié par SharpneI, 09 décembre 2009 - 05:40 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

"I know that the blight must be defeated one way or the other. That's how far my opinion goes". - Duncan.



I don't think Duncan would disaprove of Morrigan's ritual in principle. He might refuse it as being too risky. Doing the ritual technically means letting the old God live. Killing all Old Gods means that there is no blight anymore. If the Archdemon is a tainted old god, then what's to stop the darkspwn from re-tainting the kid?

So I stil think Duncan would dissaprove. Unless given proof of the contrary.

[Statulos]

We know what a tainted wolf or a tainted bear is but... a tainted dragon? And not those of the legend of yadda yadda that the Chantry talks about, but the ones your character has seen during the game. Morover, those lizards on steroids are female and we also know what broodmothers are.



Maybe archdemons are not those old and wise dragons of the legend, but more "mundane" ones that got corrupted. And if that is the case...

[Celuwen]

I always think Duncan and the Grey Wardens in general would very much disapprove of the Dark Ritual. They value duty of stopping the blight over all else, so perhaps if there was no other way to defeat the Archdemon, then they'd go along with it. Other than that, probably not so much.



Being a Grey Warden is basically a death sentence, Duncan admits that himself, with the 'Some pay the price now rather than later, but we all ultimately do so'. They expect you to sacrifice yourself for the greater good. That's why refusing the joining at a late stage is death.



It does make Alistair running off in a fit of pique (if you play the Landsmeet scene in a certain way) rather interesting though. Surely if Duncan was around he'd have executed our Grey Brother for that.

[Lughsan35]

Blight averted.

2 young wardens going on to stand Vigil.



WIN.

[HarlequinDream]

Though the ritual does end the Blight. I mean, it would be one of those "We have to wait and see" scenarios, but the defeat of the Archdemon does still stop the Blight.



And then you have an extra, live Gray Warden to help battle the darkspawn that remain. Still plenty of time to die fighting darkspawn alongside the dwarves in the Deep Road.

[heretica]

 Mmm... i'm not sure.

The Joining involves some sort of blood magic, doesn't it? And besides, there was that guy, Avernus, making all kind of experiments with blood and all that. But the difference there is that Avernus used darkspawn blood, and blood magic uses blood and pacts with demons...

It's very subjective. I think Duncan would've supported it. What options would he have?

1- Don't do the ritual, one of your men dies.
2- Do the ritual, you save the life of a grey warden (but he/she was going to die anyways so mm..) 

Morrigan reminds me of one of those german chocolate eggs. They come with a surprise! 

You never know if she is going to absorb herself the essence of the old gold and become the new flemeth or just raise the kid and knock on ferelden's door... 

[HarlequinDream]

Catt128 wrote...

 Mmm... i'm not sure.

The Joining involves some sort of blood magic, doesn't it? And besides, there was that guy, Avernus, making all kind of experiments with blood and all that. But the difference there is that Avernus used darkspawn blood, and blood magic uses blood and pacts with demons...

It's very subjective. I think Duncan would've supported it. What options would he have?

1- Don't do the ritual, one of your men dies.
2- Do the ritual, you save the life of a grey warden (but he/she was going to die anyways so mm..) 

Morrigan reminds me of one of those german chocolate eggs. They come with a surprise! 

You never know if she is going to absorb herself the essence of the old gold and become the new flemeth or just raise the kid and knock on ferelden's door... 

Which would be especially bad for Ferelden if it's King Alistair's kid...

[Varenus Luckmann]

In death, Sacrifice. While Duncan is all "Let's beat the crap out of the Blight, no matter what", I do think that he'd disapprove over skipping the traditional sacrifice, especially when it brings a potential evil god thing into creation.

It doesn't matter wheter "You don't know it's evil" or not. The fact is that we don't know and that anyone trusting Morrigan is a gullible moron. While I'm all for people being firmly in a "grey" area, I do have an issue with people being retards.

file:///C:/Users/VARENU%7E1/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot.pngEdit: I'd also like to bring another point to the table; You don't know if the "Old God" can be corrupted again. If it was once, odds are that it can be again, if it's subjected to the taint. That alone is reason not to do the deed, for a Grey Warden.

Modifié par Varenus Luckmann, 09 décembre 2009 - 06:57 .

[PatT2]

In the end, I did the ritual for one reason. So Morrigan would be in the final battle, ensuring our ability to end the blight. Now that sounds like Duncan reasoning. Need her to get the job done? Then do what she requires to have her there.

[Silensfurtim]

Duncan Disapproves -1000

[heretica]

But as i see it, the grey wardens are going to die anyways.



Isn't it better to die in a glorious way, slaying the archdemon than dying in the deep roads where no one gives a damn?

[PinkShira]

I do think it is an interesting question. I wonder what David Gaider would say... though based on what he says about other things... he would say well if you think he would approve he would and if you think he would disapprove he would...lol.



I do believe that Duncan would do ANYTHING to stop the blight. Now would he do anything to save Alistair? I really got the feeling that he cared for him and was coddling him. So maybe if he knew it was going to save Alistair he'd be fine with it.

[Lotion Soronarr]

HarlequinDream wrote...

Though the ritual does end the Blight. I mean, it would be one of those "We have to wait and see" scenarios, but the defeat of the Archdemon does still stop the Blight.

Except that there's no way to know that at the time the ritual is proposed...and that it raises the question "is hte 5th blight stopped permanently or only temporary?"...and there's the whole kid issue.

[Lotion Soronarr]

PatT2 wrote...

In the end, I did the ritual for one reason. So Morrigan would be in the final battle, ensuring our ability to end the blight. Now that sounds like Duncan reasoning. Need her to get the job done? Then do what she requires to have her there.

Why do you exactly NEED her?

[marshalleck]

By performing the dark ritual and allowing Morrigan's womb to become a beacon for the Old God, you're essentially turning every single combatant in Denerim into a Grey Warden by ensuring the Archdemon can't jump into any darkspawn on it's death. Anyone can slay it at that point. He'd grudgingly be in favor of it.

Modifié par marshalleck, 09 décembre 2009 - 07:30 .

[HarlequinDream]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

HarlequinDream wrote...

Though the ritual does end the Blight. I mean, it would be one of those "We have to wait and see" scenarios, but the defeat of the Archdemon does still stop the Blight.

Except that there's no way to know that at the time the ritual is proposed...and that it raises the question "is hte 5th blight stopped permanently or only temporary?"...and there's the whole kid issue.

Even with killing the Archdemon, you've only stopped that Blight. Another could crop up in 10 years or 10,000. It's all, really, a waiting game anyway.

[HarlequinDream]

Catt128 wrote...

But as i see it, the grey wardens are going to die anyways.

Isn't it better to die in a glorious way, slaying the archdemon than dying in the deep roads where no one gives a damn?

But being a Gray Warden isn't about someone knowing your sacrifice, building you a statute, etc. If anything, it's that you're there for people even when they don't know what you've done.

[xka]

Ducan constanly is (was) speaking about hown much dangerous is blight comparing with blood magic. Duncan demostrate, during iniciation, that he can kill a man that begins the iniciation but try to flee.



Duncan woul do anything to stop blight..inclunding blood magic.

[heretica]

HarlequinDream wrote...

Catt128 wrote...

But as i see it, the grey wardens are going to die anyways.

Isn't it better to die in a glorious way, slaying the archdemon than dying in the deep roads where no one gives a damn?

But being a Gray Warden isn't about someone knowing your sacrifice, building you a statute, etc. If anything, it's that you're there for people even when they don't know what you've done.

Yeah i catch your point. Like a martyr ? It reminds me of some convos with Wynne about what means to be a Grey Warden etc.

[Varenus Luckmann]

marshalleck wrote...

By performing the dark ritual and allowing Morrigan's womb to become a beacon for the Old God, you're essentially turning every single combatant in Denerim into a Grey Warden by ensuring the Archdemon can't jump into any darkspawn on it's death. Anyone can slay it at that point. He'd grudgingly be in favor of it.

That's actually the only sensible reasoning I've heard about the whole godchild scheme so far. It's too bad it's never brought up in-game. Because of the ritual, anyone can kill the Archdemon without the Old God Soul jumping around the empty husks that are the darkspawn.

But, on the other hand, the ritual ensures that the Old God Soul isn't destroyed, as it should've been. Which is why I think that Duncan wouldn't approve of the ritual at all.