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[Alex Savchovsky]

Apophis2412 wrote...

Do you consider the Teviner Imperium to be the height of civilization or something?
And why would the people want to worship the Old Gods? The Chantry has been convincing the people that they are demons for about twelve hundred years. That is not easily undone.

Actually I had in mind something more like Eberron. A civilization that puts magic to heavy use as a replacement for various technologies that they do not have, but certainly more civilized than the Tevinter.
As for the other question, why do people worship gods at all? It seems that not everyone is content with the Chantry's doctrine, since draconian cults still exist. Now they will have one more option. It's a free religious market.

[marshalleck]

Pfft, you're being too even-handed. Bring back the Mage dominance imo. All hail the Imperium.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Alex Savchovsky wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Alex Savchovsky wrote...
The Archdemon is destroyed, the Old God is not. It's a win-win situation.

Old God = Archdemon. Or did you somehow miss that?

You should pay more attention to the game.
Archdemon = corrupted Old God.

Archdemon looks and acts like a corrupted dragon.
So an uncorrupted Archdemon should be... a dragon? *SHOCK*
Dragons not be nice...at least I haven't met one in-game that didn't want to eat me.

[marshalleck]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Dragons not be nice...at least I haven't met one in-game that didn't want to eat me.

That's because every time you encounter a dragon in this game, you're invading their territory and taking the fight to them. There is no unprovoked dragon attack in the entire game.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Alex Savchovsky wrote...
P.S.
About the "being corrupted again" question - the fact that the Old God is awake and in possession of his powers, in the first place. The lore says they are sleeping underground imprisoned, and that they are corrupted when the darkspawn reach them. Once freed, the Old God will be neither sleeping nor imprisoned.

Wait...are you now using Chantry lore?

Ok, we dont' KNOW is the "Old Gods" are asleep. We only know they emitt a terribly beutifull song that drives the darkspawn mad till they find them.
For all we know, the Old Gods are the source of the blight and have been corrupted to begin with. Fact is, we know little.

Aside form the fact that dragons are dangerous and you taste krunchy with ketchup, and the archdemon is a dragon.

[Leftnt Sharpe]

I always took the whole 'Old Gods' thing with a pinch of salt. To me old gods are not gods but powerful Elder Dragons, who just claim they are gods, sort of like Nicol Bolas really. Although if the 'god-child' turns out to be half as powerful as Bolas we are pretty much screwed.

[BroBear Berbil]

I can't imagine he would approve of it. The ritual is really an unknown and is possibly a risk of an extra blight. While Duncan does say wardens have used Blood Magic against darkspawn in the past he also tells of the time he saw a maleficar fighting templars and I don't recall him gleefully approving of the mind domination. If it's used against darkspawn then he will accept it but I don't think he was giving a blanket of acceptance to the practice of blood magic in general.



Duncan is not one to shy away from duty or sacrifice and I believe he would only approve of the tried and true method of ending a blight that completely destroys the essence of the archdemon.

[Alex Savchovsky]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

For all we know, the Old Gods are the source of the blight and have been corrupted to begin with. Fact is, we know little.

Aside form the fact that dragons are dangerous and you taste krunchy with ketchup, and the archdemon is a dragon.

And maybe the Chantry is the source of the Blights? You know, Tevinters did worship their Old Gods for quite the time with no Blights at all. If we're going to wild-guess this or that, both theories are viable. Also you're guessing that the Archdemon is just a corrupted dragon, but this also remains a guess. Normally dragons stay dead when you kill them. And blight wolves do not seek a nearby darkspawn to reincarnate when killed, so there is likely to be more to the Archdemon than just the darkspawn taint.

[Mnemnosyne]

[quote]marshalleck wrote...

Is there any information about people worshipping the Archdemon.[/quote]

Not the Archdemon, but the Old Gods yes. They were once worshipped across all of Thedas, and it is believed that they originally instructed mortals in the use of magic. It may be worth pointing out that the Old God my PC saved, and which others destroyed is Urthemiel, the God of Beauty.

http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Old_Gods

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I am curious as to where the assertion that the Archdemon in this Blight is Urthemiel comes from.  I see that stated over and over, but I never see the reasoning for it stated.  I notice in the Codex it notes that the previous ones have been named as a result of decades of argument by scholars (which clearly means there's a possibility of those being misnomers also).  Did I miss something somewhere?

[marshalleck]

I think it comes from the codex, don't quite recall

[Curlain]

What Duncan might do, given he is utlimately and ends justify the means guy (in that ensuring the end of the Blight is what matters above all), is agree to the ritual yes as it allows more Grey Wardes the chance to attempt to kill the Archdemon, and then be ready to kill Morrigan and the child as soon the Archdemon was definitely dead, thus making sure the Blight was ended and any future conflicts avoided

Also I can't see the 'Old Gods' as being just dragons, the dragons you meet in the game or magical creatures sure, but still just animals in intelligence (I think I read a post from Gaider somewhere that the High Dragons have dolphin level intelligence) so they don't seem to be creatures who could teach magic etc.  Further some of the Old Gods were seen as male (such as Uethmiel (sp) which is Archdemon was suppoed to have been) by their worshippers in the Codex, but all High Dragons are female.  They worshippers could have been wrong I guess, but with the whole teaching the Tenvinter's magic thing I think something else was going on.

Finally if all Flemeth and Morrigan needed was a dragon soul, well there a number of other High Dragons out there, untained and easier to reach (such as the Andraste cult dragon) so it seems there was something unique to the Old Gods.  Either they are beings that took the form of High Dragons (or spirits which possessed ancient High Dragons) or they are examples of a older form of Dragonkind, when they were more like Tolkien and DnD Dragons

Modifié par Curlain, 09 décembre 2009 - 01:10 .

[IronValley]

Step 1: Find Morrigan.

Step 2: Apply blunt force to womb region.

Step 3: Run like hell

[Alex Savchovsky]

IronValley wrote...

Step 1: Find Morrigan.
Step 2: Apply blunt force to womb region.
Step 3: Run like hell

Congratulations, you just voided a commonly used argument against the ritual.

[Vicious]

Rofl. Pretty much everything corrupted turns bad.



So we should not give the old god a chance in human form because it MIGHT get corrupted?



I guess we should also kill all women because they MIGHT become brood mothers?



rofl i love this board.