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[Deucetipher]

 

Derek Hollan wrote...

Please refrain from accusations of trolling.  If you suspect actual trolling please inform a moderator of the offense.

As far as this discussion.  Thomas Abram will be reviewing it for our official stance.  FBW is under review.  That is all I can say at this time.

Cheers

 

 It's FARMAGGEDON!!  

Modifié par Deucetipher, 25 juin 2012 - 06:56 .

[InfamousResult]

Not sure why people think they're reviewing the farming aspect of FBW. This entire thread was about the glitch in the map. The map is under review because there's an obvious glitch in it. At no point was FBWGG, or farming, brought up until you guys read his post and made that assumption.

Calm down.

[Beerfish]

Oh people will find another area but it may take time and it might not be as overwhelmingly good for all.

[FirstBlood XL]

FBW under review? Lame again. I can't imagine continuing to play mp if farming FBW goes away. PSPs are too 'expensive', since everything is random, even with FBWGG farming.

When my friends aren't online, I enjoy going into a FBWGG and farming it with randoms. Don't have much luck with randoms on Gold in any other instance, and I don't feel like playing 3 silvers for a single PSP that may give me 3 Asari Justicars and a shotgun upgrade that I'll never use.

[Blind2Society]

InfamousResult wrote...

Not sure why people think they're reviewing the farming aspect of FBW. This entire thread was about the glitch in the map. The map is under review because there's an obvious glitch in it. At no point was FBWGG, or farming, brought up until you guys read his post and made that assumption.

Calm down.

I think it's just because them "fixing" the farming issue is a touchy subject. The last time they tried to "fix" it, all they did was make the enemy geth a complete pain in the ass. Which ironically, only makes farming them that much more appealing.

[Beerfish]

FirstBlood XL wrote...

FBW under review? Lame again. I can't imagine continuing to play mp if farming FBW goes away. PSPs are too 'expensive', since everything is random, even with FBWGG farming.

When my friends aren't online, I enjoy going into a FBWGG and farming it with randoms. Don't have much luck with randoms on Gold in any other instance, and I don't feel like playing 3 silvers for a single PSP that may give me 3 Asari Justicars and a shotgun upgrade that I'll never use.

They shouldn;t evenmake you play the levels.  They should have a button that says sit her for 20 minutes and 90,000 credits will be added to your account.

[Quaranj]

I have had this happen on FBW myself while getting killed while running out of the room. I guess I am a little old-school when it comes to this topic in general though - I mean, I remember when exploiting Street Fighter into having combos back in the day was a glitch, but was also indeed a valid tactic. These new-fangled rules about "You are not allowed to do what the game will allow you to do." sounds rather absurd. Since what year did the onus of who was responsible switch from the game companies patching a problem to the end users getting penalized for finding/using said "glitch". If someone wants to do these things, why not let them? They paid for their game, and just because they like to play it a different way than we do makes it wrong? If people are credit glitching, or rocket glitching, or map glitching and you disagree with it, why can't you just exit the room and play with people who want the same experience that you do? I may not enjoy this particular game the way that the people who I think are unfairly being labelled as "cheaters" are, but I do stand by their right to do whatever makes them happy with their $50 purchase.

[InfamousResult]

Quaranj wrote...

I have had this happen on FBW myself while getting killed while running out of the room. I guess I am a little old-school when it comes to this topic in general though - I mean, I remember when exploiting Street Fighter into having combos back in the day was a glitch, but was also indeed a valid tactic. These new-fangled rules about "You are not allowed to do what the game will allow you to do." sounds rather absurd. Since what year did the onus of who was responsible switch from the game companies patching a problem to the end users getting penalized for finding/using said "glitch". If someone wants to do these things, why not let them? They paid for their game, and just because they like to play it a different way than we do makes it wrong? If people are credit glitching, or rocket glitching, or map glitching and you disagree with it, why can't you just exit the room and play with people who want the same experience that you do? I may not enjoy this particular game the way that the people who I think are unfairly being labelled as "cheaters" are, but I do stand by their right to do whatever makes them happy with their $50 purchase.

These "new-fangled rules" and have been around since the year of online multiplayer and microtransactions. It is not only against the Terms of Service- the terms of using the service that EA provides you with- but it is a potential loss of profits on their behalf. You agreed NOT to do it. So you don't do it. It's the same as any other service-providing contract, through all time.

Also, the Multiplayer itself wasn't $50.

[UKStory135]

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

UKStory135 wrote...

Nocturnalfox wrote...

Descy_ wrote...


FBWGG however, IS cheating. (To anyone who would say it isn't)

Fixed :innocent:

Fixed replies are AWESOME!

Fixed that for ya:lol:

[joker_jack]

Sometimes you don't have a choice on that glitch an atlus rockets or prime shot to the face can push you into the right spot if your trying to get out of the hot zone or simple go to the ammo crate. I've had that happen a couple times trying to pull off ammo runs and then you see that just at the right time the team is down and boom some how you've magically returned to the lz.

[Quaranj]

InfamousResult wrote...

These "new-fangled rules" and have been around since the year of online multiplayer and microtransactions. It is not only against the Terms of Service- the terms of using the service that EA provides you with- but it is a potential loss of profits on their behalf. You agreed NOT to do it. So you don't do it. It's the same as any other service-providing contract, through all time.

Also, the Multiplayer itself wasn't $50.

Well, to *some* the Multiplayer wasn't $50, but not all.  Look at my 360 achievements in the game - I have all of the multiplayer and -none- of the single player.   I know this will come as a shock to many of you, but I have very little interest in that part of the game.   I think that your statement actually points out that the flaw is the reach of the EULA.   I am all for penalties for those who use some sort of 3rd party software or hack to give an unfair advantage, but if the inherent bug that you created is costing you money, then you'd better fix that leak very quickly.   I remember a couple years ago when CoD had the missile glitch - I was very annoyed when I would get insta-killed when entering the room, but never blamed the people who were doing it, or reported them either, I just grit my teeth, and said to myself "There had better be a patch for this soon, or I wont be enjoying this game any longer."   Activision had a patch out in less time than these "exploits" have been going on here.   As I said, I could care less about how others want to play their game, everyone is different, and it's within certain people's nature to get creative within the space of digital rules laid out by a gamespace.   Argue my point all you want, but truth is that if the EULA had a clause about NOT sticking the game-case in your rectum in an oblong manner, *someone* would have an issue with this.   You're still dictating how something purchased can and cannot be used even though it can be done, even accidentally.

[UKStory135]

Blind2Society wrote...

InfamousResult wrote...

Not sure why people think they're reviewing the farming aspect of FBW. This entire thread was about the glitch in the map. The map is under review because there's an obvious glitch in it. At no point was FBWGG, or farming, brought up until you guys read his post and made that assumption.

Calm down.

I think it's just because them "fixing" the farming issue is a touchy subject. The last time they tried to "fix" it, all they did was make the enemy geth a complete pain in the ass. Which ironically, only makes farming them that much more appealing.

Anyone who thinks that it is still just mindnumbingly easy hasn't done it in about 3 weeks.  The buffs have made it a whole lot harder than it used to be.  I still haven't beaten geth on gold on another map since the patch.

[joker_jack]

UKStory135 wrote...

Blind2Society wrote...

InfamousResult wrote...

Not sure why people think they're reviewing the farming aspect of FBW. This entire thread was about the glitch in the map. The map is under review because there's an obvious glitch in it. At no point was FBWGG, or farming, brought up until you guys read his post and made that assumption.

Calm down.

I think it's just because them "fixing" the farming issue is a touchy subject. The last time they tried to "fix" it, all they did was make the enemy geth a complete pain in the ass. Which ironically, only makes farming them that much more appealing.

For me geth are easy. The glitchy banshee is the one that get's me.

Anyone who thinks that it is still just mindnumbingly easy hasn't done it in about 3 weeks.  The buffs have made it a whole lot harder than it used to be.  I still haven't beaten geth on gold on another map since the patch.

[InfamousResult]

Quaranj wrote...

Well, to *some* the Multiplayer wasn't $50, but not all.  Look at my 360 achievements in the game - I have all of the multiplayer and -none- of the single player.   I know this will come as a shock to many of you, but I have very little interest in that part of the game.   I think that your statement actually points out that the flaw is the reach of the EULA.   I am all for penalties for those who use some sort of 3rd party software or hack to give an unfair advantage, but if the inherent bug that you created is costing you money, then you'd better fix that leak very quickly.   I remember a couple years ago when CoD had the missile glitch - I was very annoyed when I would get insta-killed when entering the room, but never blamed the people who were doing it, or reported them either, I just grit my teeth, and said to myself "There had better be a patch for this soon, or I wont be enjoying this game any longer."   Activision had a patch out in less time than these "exploits" have been going on here.   As I said, I could care less about how others want to play their game, everyone is different, and it's within certain people's nature to get creative within the space of digital rules laid out by a gamespace.   Argue my point all you want, but truth is that if the EULA had a clause about NOT sticking the game-case in your rectum in an oblong manner, *someone* would have an issue with this.   You're still dictating how something purchased can and cannot be used even though it can be done, even accidentally.

I will argue your point. It's silly.

They cheated, they broke the rule, they're open to get banned. They shouldn't have done it.

There are no rules about the game case, because you OWN that. That's not a service. That's a good. You can shove that good up your rectum all you want, buddy. But you don't OWN services. Services are provided to you, for a price. You can't abuse a service, or violate a contract, which you agreed to, no matter how much you paid for the service. Sorry.

[spaceling]

Funny. This happened to me a few times in the past and never knew it was a known glitch or something people were abusing. All I remember is outright dying and somehow alive once again and being teleported to a different part of the map. I kept thinking that my team might think that I was cheating.

[FirstBlood XL]

Beerfish wrote...

FirstBlood XL wrote...

FBW under review? Lame again. I can't imagine continuing to play mp if farming FBW goes away. PSPs are too 'expensive', since everything is random, even with FBWGG farming.

When my friends aren't online, I enjoy going into a FBWGG and farming it with randoms. Don't have much luck with randoms on Gold in any other instance, and I don't feel like playing 3 silvers for a single PSP that may give me 3 Asari Justicars and a shotgun upgrade that I'll never use.

They shouldn;t evenmake you play the levels.  They should have a button that says sit her for 20 minutes and 90,000 credits will be added to your account.

Get over yourself.  FBWGG can be very difficult when you're stuck with randoms.  Idiots who die early in a wave and refuse to use medigel, leaving 3 players to deal with ridiculous ammounts of Geth Primes and their mobs.   It can even get somewhat difficult with a team of decent players at times.

I've beaten most maps on gold, including all the originals... I don't HAVE to play FBWGG, though there are times when it becomes a valuable option.  Otherwise, I just won't play at all when my xbl friends aren't on because silver is too slow to gain credits, and gold can be near impossible with randoms.  Add in the glitches where players will get stuck out of the map in about 15% of the matches and it becomes even more 'fun'.  No thanks... All you  L33T dweebs can bash FBWGG, but without it, I have no interest in the game at this point, due to the random packages.

Modifié par FirstBlood XL, 25 juin 2012 - 08:31 .

[Lord Thornos]

I hope everyone that has fell through a map will be banned. That is the only way we will be able to see how silly bans are for such a thing.

[DeathIsHere]

Beerfish wrote...

FirstBlood XL wrote...

FBW under review? Lame again. I can't imagine continuing to play mp if farming FBW goes away. PSPs are too 'expensive', since everything is random, even with FBWGG farming.

When my friends aren't online, I enjoy going into a FBWGG and farming it with randoms. Don't have much luck with randoms on Gold in any other instance, and I don't feel like playing 3 silvers for a single PSP that may give me 3 Asari Justicars and a shotgun upgrade that I'll never use.

They shouldn;t evenmake you play the levels.  They should have a button that says sit her for 20 minutes and 90,000 credits will be added to your account.

God I hate these kind of responses. Let people play their game how they want, is he breaking any rules or messing up your play? Is he demanding changes be made so the game is easier? No. He's just saying he does a FBWGG sometimes to get credits, because PSPs are expensive (which they are).

[InfamousResult]

Lord Thornos wrote...

I hope everyone that has fell through a map will be banned. That is the only way we will be able to see how silly bans are for such a thing.

Yes, because that WOULD be silly.

As it is, bans are NOT silly for such a thing.

You may return to your hyperbole.

[Lord Thornos]

InfamousResult wrote...

Lord Thornos wrote...

I hope everyone that has fell through a map will be banned. That is the only way we will be able to see how silly bans are for such a thing.

Yes, because that WOULD be silly.

As it is, bans are NOT silly for such a thing.

You may return to your hyperbole.

reportings are for silly things - look at griefing being a reportable offense.

[InfamousResult]

Lord Thornos wrote...

reportings are for silly things - look at griefing being a reportable offense.

Hard to enforce? Yes. Silly? No. If you don't want to be reported, if you don't want to be banned, don't break the rules.

Breaking the rules is silly.

[FataliTensei]

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Modifié par FataliTensei, 25 juin 2012 - 09:21 .

[FataliTensei]

Honestly if some chooses to use a minor glitch in a co-op game and someone wants to report and have that person banned, I feel sorry for the person having a fit about it. Their life must be pretty boring if they're honestly that by the book on every, single, tiny, little, thing.If people want to exploit a non-game breaking glitch then let them, what right do you have to try and take away someone else's fun when it's not actually impacting yours. You can argue all you want about how you follow the rules by the book like a good little sheep, thats nice, not everyone is like you, quit trying to force them to be. Unless you really enjoy pressing a button to revive someone that much, then I can't see any legitamate reason to be this upset. The only reasons that one could possibly present would be those cast down from a moral high-horse. If people pay 60 bucks for a game they should be able to exploit what ever they want on it as long as they aren't ruining the game for someone else. 

Take the missle glitch for instance, I totally agree with banning for that one. It's not fun if one guy/girl is just running around nuking everything in one shot. That takes away from someone else's fun and should be punished.

Modifié par FataliTensei, 25 juin 2012 - 09:27 .

[SkreeMalicious]

Sorry not to hijack here, but since you mentioned FBW under review...If you are reviewing FBW, it might be prudent to add an enemy spawn point out back (down at the very back near the ammo box on the usually-empty walkways), this would drastically reduce the campability of 'the farm room' without altering the geometry we have all memorized and love.

[AldarionnEB]

Quaranj wrote...

InfamousResult wrote...

These "new-fangled rules" and have been around since the year of online multiplayer and microtransactions. It is not only against the Terms of Service- the terms of using the service that EA provides you with- but it is a potential loss of profits on their behalf. You agreed NOT to do it. So you don't do it. It's the same as any other service-providing contract, through all time.

Also, the Multiplayer itself wasn't $50.

Well, to *some* the Multiplayer wasn't $50, but not all.  Look at my 360 achievements in the game - I have all of the multiplayer and -none- of the single player.   I know this will come as a shock to many of you, but I have very little interest in that part of the game.   I think that your statement actually points out that the flaw is the reach of the EULA.   I am all for penalties for those who use some sort of 3rd party software or hack to give an unfair advantage, but if the inherent bug that you created is costing you money, then you'd better fix that leak very quickly.   I remember a couple years ago when CoD had the missile glitch - I was very annoyed when I would get insta-killed when entering the room, but never blamed the people who were doing it, or reported them either, I just grit my teeth, and said to myself "There had better be a patch for this soon, or I wont be enjoying this game any longer."   Activision had a patch out in less time than these "exploits" have been going on here.   As I said, I could care less about how others want to play their game, everyone is different, and it's within certain people's nature to get creative within the space of digital rules laid out by a gamespace.   Argue my point all you want, but truth is that if the EULA had a clause about NOT sticking the game-case in your rectum in an oblong manner, *someone* would have an issue with this.   You're still dictating how something purchased can and cannot be used even though it can be done, even accidentally.

The simple truth is that online gaming has brought a new era to what is and is not acceptable behavior for game companies to limit. The old days of games being toys for children and thus a simple one-time-purchase commodity are over, and most games are on a service-based, microtransaction supported system, and ANYTHING that threatens the purchase of microtransactions will be outright banned by the EULA which you MUST agree to in order to play the game. It does not matter if you paid money for it or not. You paid money for a product that contains an offline, single player game that you can exploit until your heart is content. But the online experience is fully regulated by the production company and they CAN and WILL take action if you abuse bugs and loopholes in their system. By signing into the game YOU GIVE THEM THAT POWER. LEGALLY! Any judge in existance will tell you that you agreed to a legally binding contract regulating how you are able to use the service you have purchased (or in this case, didn't purchase. Multiplayer is free with the retail purchase of the single player game, and you are not required to spend one red cent to play it after that), and violating those regulations is grounds for termination of those services. It does not matter if you disagree with it, legally you must accept it or not play the game, and there is no argument you can make that invalidates this.

I run a Self Storage facility. We have regulations that state tenants may not keep firearms in their storage unit. Firearms are legal in California, where we are located, and the tenants may have concealed carry permits allowing them to take their firearms wherever they want, but we as the service provider have the right to refuse them that service if they bring those firearms to our facility. It's in our contract, and spelled out in clear english. They can argue the legality of owning them, but they CANNOT argue their right to store them on our private property. They are contractually obligated to not bring them here, and we are legally capable of telling them to leave and never come back.

In the same way, EA owns the servers, and gives you the ability to access them to play an online version of their game. They tell you that if you find an exploit or a glitch that gives you an unfair advantage, you must report it and not use it. Doing ANYTHING ELSE is grounds for them banning you from using their service, and they are contractually allowed to do so. They may choose not to, based on the severity of the offense, but the EULA gives them the right.

I wish this argument would go away. It's just a bunch of moaning about something you cannot change, and it's an improper argument to begin with. If you don't agree with it, don't play any online game ever, because all of them have an EULA and all of them will have these policies.

Modifié par AldarionnEB, 25 juin 2012 - 09:32 .