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[GodlessPaladin]

Just played a second match with Lance Dagger, this time on Condor with me as a Human Soldier since he said it was "unfair" that I used a biotic only after I nearly doubled his score in response to his challenge. This time the score gulf was even wider and he quit before the match ended :-\\

I have vids of both games if anyone wants me to take the time to upload 'em (and won't complain about webcam video quality...)

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 12 mai 2012 - 05:03 .

[clopin]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Just played a second match with Lance Dagger, this time on Condor with me as a Human Soldier since he said it was "unfair" that I used a biotic only after I nearly doubled his score in response to his challenge. This time the score gulf was even wider and he quit before the match ended :-

I have vids of both games if anyone wants me to take the time to upload 'em.

That could actually be fairly entertaining.

Can a GPR be effective? Absolutely, it can be incredibly viable. Will it ever be the best weapon in a given situation? Likely not, unless we get a Swarmer only event.

[megawug]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Just played a second match with Lance Dagger, this time on Condor with me as a Human Soldier since he said it was "unfair" that I used a biotic only after I nearly doubled his score in response to his challenge. This time the score gulf was even wider and he quit before the match ended :-

I have vids of both games if anyone wants me to take the time to upload 'em (and won't complain about webcam video quality...)

This is very narrow-minded thinking.  "I have a better score, therefore I'm right."  Every dictator in the world thinks this way.

The problem I find with GPR and Avenger on gold is that they require being exposed for too long, which limits their effectiveness.  As an AA, for example, I hardly ever use a gun, so the point is moot.

[Disciple888]

Axialbloom wrote...

Disciple888 wrote...

datako12 wrote...

Disciple888 wrote...

Until someone shows me a screencap of using the GPR to achieve a decent score (150K+) on Gold, I'm gonna continue to believe that only noobs use the weapon.

150k isnt a decent score, 150k means you need to find a team of people that can actually play

150k is what I get on average, regardless of who I play with.  If I have to carry scrubs, I usually hit 170k-200k.

Sure you do...

From today.

Reapers White

Reapers Hydra

Cerberus Giant

Cerberus Ghost


Note, these are not even exceptional games.  I was playing with randoms in PUGs, no coordination, no mic.

Heres a game from yesterday where I straight up carried.

Geth Dagger

[Geimhreadh]

I use it on my GE because I'm only shooting to fill time between power CDs. And because I don't have the GPS or the Javelin.

[datako12]

Disciple888 wrote...

Axialbloom wrote...

Disciple888 wrote...

150k is what I get on average, regardless of who I play with.  If I have to carry scrubs, I usually hit 170k-200k.

Sure you do...

From today.

Reapers White

Reapers Hydra

Cerberus Giant

Cerberus Ghost


Note, these are not even exceptional games.  I was playing with randoms in PUGs, no coordination, no mic.

Heres a game from yesterday where I straight up carried.

Geth Dagger

random PUGs are well known for making really good players look like gods at this game, if you were able to pull 150k in a game with GodlessPaladin and a couple of other players of the same skill level, then i would be amazed. but as far as getting 160k in random PUGs i merely say good job sir.  i can tell that you are more skilled than i, but not enough to amaze me

[ajburges]

GPR is fine against mooks

accept that DPS gets cut to 1/8 vs armor (1/3 with AP mod)

[D Wrecks]

@Disciple888:

Based on samples compiled from games shared on the Bioware Social Network, a typical Gold game will yield a total squad score of approximately 275,000 points. That all of your games are breaking 400,000 total points is an indication for me that your objective waves are never being completed in a punctual manner. It is easy, then, to break 150,000 every time if you're taking advantage of nearly fifteen minutes of limitless enemy spawning. Additionally, that you're consistently scoring so much higher than other players is an indication for me that you're probably more worried about killing those limitlessly spawning enemies than assisting your team in completing the objective. Incidentally, the same samples that I mentioned earlier typically included four players whose scores were very close (certainly no 50,000-point leaders), and in almost no instances encompassed in these samples did any player break 100,000 points.

Bottom line: your results are contaminated.

Modifié par Just Cav, 12 mai 2012 - 05:35 .

[eldrjth]

GodlessPaladin wrote...


So we played a match, and I got 142192, he got 80007.  All Equipment IIIs were used.

it actually sounds like the GPR is somewhat effective, in his hands atleast lol, especially if you used a GI with a shotgun on an enclosed map. in an open map it wouldnt have favoured one config over the other. if you annihilated his score by more than double than it would throw doubt on the GPR. 

[GodlessPaladin]

megawug wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Just
played a second match with Lance Dagger, this time on Condor with me as
a Human Soldier since he said it was "unfair" that I used a biotic only after I
nearly doubled his score in response to his challenge. This time the
score gulf was even wider and he quit before the match ended :-

I have vids of both games if anyone wants me to take the time to upload 'em (and won't complain about webcam video quality...)

This
is very narrow-minded thinking.  "I have a better score, therefore I'm
right."  Every dictator in the world thinks this way.

The problem
I find with GPR and Avenger on gold is that they require being exposed
for too long, which limits their effectiveness.  As an AA, for example, I
hardly ever use a gun, so the point is moot.

You're not a very bright one, are you?  That's a straw man argument, because I didn't actually make the argument "I have a better score, therefore I'm right."  You added the "therefore I'm right" part on yourself, when I was merely reporting the most easily summarized results of the challenge the other poster issued.

Not only did I not make the argument that "I have a better score, therefore I'm right," (in fact, I already gave several points on the basis of numbers and tactical value, which you've entirely ignored) but moreover the issue of score (and the challenge itself) was issued by the other poster. I simply took him up on his challenge that he'd "regularly outscore everyone with a Geth Pulse Rifle, come play with me and I'll show you."  I then merely reported the results... which were that, contrary to his prediction, the first game I got almost twice his score, and the second game I got more score than the entire rest of the team combined and he quit midgame.

Lance Dagger wrote.. I can easily outscore any other class regularly when using it without
equipment, and can take down heavy targets faster than others when I do
use equipment.

He was using all his equipment and was not taking down heavy targets nearly as fast as me and was not "easily outscoring" me.   And I wasn't the one using a Geth.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 12 mai 2012 - 05:52 .

[Ikilledkillab]

I farmed a game of gold geth FBW tonight and I came in first with a salarian engineer using a decoy and spamming ED and just shooting the GPR the whole game.

[GodlessPaladin]

eldrjth wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...


So we played a match, and I got 142192, he got 80007.  All Equipment IIIs were used.

it actually sounds like the GPR is somewhat effective, in his hands atleast lol, especially if you used a GI with a shotgun on an enclosed map. in an open map it wouldnt have favoured one config over the other. if you annihilated his score by more than double than it would throw doubt on the GPR. 

He was using it on a Geth, which gets some pretty meaningful benefits for using a Geth weapon specifically, and can aid the gun's accuracy and rate of fire.   I'm not sure what the actual DPS would look like after taking that into account (I think I heard somewhere before that the geth weapon damage bonus improved the base damage, which was then multiplied.  Is that true?)

So yeah, it might be a more useful choice on a Geth Engineer specifically.  Not sure.  Would have to get the formula so I can run the numbers (or just play more Geth Engineer).  I can't see any way the argument could be made for the Geth Infilrator though.

The other two people on our team were pubs who did basically nothing the whole game.  Lance wasn't a bad player though.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 12 mai 2012 - 06:11 .

[Disciple888]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

megawug wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Just
played a second match with Lance Dagger, this time on Condor with me as
a Human Soldier since he said it was "unfair" that I used a biotic only after I
nearly doubled his score in response to his challenge. This time the
score gulf was even wider and he quit before the match ended :-

I have vids of both games if anyone wants me to take the time to upload 'em (and won't complain about webcam video quality...)

This
is very narrow-minded thinking.  "I have a better score, therefore I'm
right."  Every dictator in the world thinks this way.

The problem
I find with GPR and Avenger on gold is that they require being exposed
for too long, which limits their effectiveness.  As an AA, for example, I
hardly ever use a gun, so the point is moot.

You're not a very bright one, are you?  That's a straw man argument, because I didn't actually make the argument "I have a better score, therefore I'm right."  You added the "therefore I'm right" part on yourself, when I was merely reporting the most easily summarized results of the challenge the other poster issued.

Not only did I not make the argument that "I have a better score, therefore I'm right," (in fact, I already gave several points on the basis of numbers and tactical value, which you've entirely ignored) but moreover the issue of score (and the challenge itself) was issued by the other poster. I simply took him up on his challenge that he'd "regularly outscore everyone with a Geth Pulse Rifle, come play with me and I'll show you."  I then merely reported the results... which were that, contrary to his prediction, the first game I got almost twice his score, and the second game I got more score than the entire rest of the team combined and he quit midgame.

Lance Dagger wrote.. I can easily outscore any other class regularly when using it without
equipment, and can take down heavy targets faster than others when I do
use equipment.

He was using all his equipment and was not taking down heavy targets nearly as fast as me and was not "easily outscoring" me.   And I wasn't the one using a Geth.

lol owned

[Sdrol117]

GPR is garbage. Anybody defending it fails.

[haisho]

I said this in my other thread regarding automatic weapons, but the effectiveness of weapons like the GPR get heavily skewed due to multiples factors in the game's design of ARs heavily affecting their already-low damage output.

Sorry, but when I have to mod an AR a specific way to even average out against a Heavy Pistol that would benefit even more from the same mods, I call shenanigans.
GPR? Probably the one weapon that best exemplifies the flaws of automatic ARs.

This is probably the point where I say "At least it isn't an Eagle", but the GPR only beats it out slightly with all Geth damage bonuses and its extended clip size. Slightly!

[megawug]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

You're not a very bright one, are you?  That's a straw man argument, because I didn't actually make the argument "I have a better score, therefore I'm right."  You added the "therefore I'm right" part on yourself, when I was merely reporting the most easily summarized results of the challenge the other poster issued.

Not only did I not make the argument that "I have a better score, therefore I'm right," (in fact, I already gave several points on the basis of numbers and tactical value, which you've entirely ignored) but moreover the issue of score (and the challenge itself) was issued by the other poster. I simply took him up on his challenge that he'd "regularly outscore everyone with a Geth Pulse Rifle, come play with me and I'll show you."  I then merely reported the results... which were that, contrary to his prediction, the first game I got almost twice his score, and the second game I got more score than the entire rest of the team combined and he quit midgame.

LOL... resorting to insults now?  The results are what you are implying.  There's really no need to argue about it though.  Since you're the better player, use the GPR X yourself for a few games and see what score you get.

Comparing to another player only proves you can rack up a higher score than the other guy.

[GodlessPaladin]

megawug wrote...
LOL... resorting to insults now?

...The entirety of your argument was calling me a narrow minded thinker and comparing my thought processes to "every dictator."

I then explained in detail why what you said in that post was unjustified.  And suggested that as a result you struck me as not very bright.

megawug wrote... Comparing to another player only proves you can rack up a higher score than the other guy.

Said as much myself.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 12 mai 2012 - 06:34 .

[Tested-Faythe]

Sdrol117 wrote...

GPR is garbage. Anybody defending it fails.

mmhmm...

/sarcasm

[megawug]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

megawug wrote...
LOL... resorting to insults now?

...The entirety of your argument was calling me a narrow minded thinker and comparing my thought processes to "every dictator."

I then explained in detail why everything is wrong with the things you say.  And suggested that as a result you struck me as not very bright.

megawug wrote... Comparing to another player only proves you can rack up a higher score than the other guy.

Said as much myself.

It was my mistake to read too much into it.  I apologize for that.  But you should use the GPR X and see what happens if you're gonna really prove the point.

[GodlessPaladin]

Megawug wrote... Since you're the better player, use the GPR X yourself for a few games and see what score you get.

I've tried it with a Turian Soldier and I felt I was getting more mileage out of the Phaeston (let alone the Hurricane if I'm going to spend AP ammo). Haven't tried it much with a Geth Engineer though.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 12 mai 2012 - 06:32 .

[Aarek]

Well, now that I'm able to get online and comment...

Yes, I have no trouble admitting that you outscored me in the first game using a Drell Adept against Reapers on Glacier. Reave combined with Cluster Grenade spam will tend to do that, especially when there's an Asari Adept spamming Warp and Throw as well. Like I told you on XBL before you had your little rant, certain classes will have no trouble outscoring others in the right setting. Against Reapers on a small map such as Glacier, Adepts have the advantage due to the Biotic Explosions having greater effect against the clustered enemies. I particularly enjoy how you failed to mention the score difference between mine and the other two who were using an Asari Adept and a Salarian Infiltrator.

As for the second game, I'd have gladly continued playing but that's a bit hard to do when your power is out. But thank you for twisting it to make it seem like I rage quit, much like you continue to misinterpret what I originally said. No where have I ever said that I always score higher than any other class under any set of circumstances. I have always said that any class in the right setting will perform better than most other classes, and that "subpar" classes in the right hands can still be as effective.

I can honestly say that the majority of the games I have played on ME3 MP, I have outscored the others in the team. Considering the size of the multiplayer community, I have no doubt that there are others out there who are far better than I am. At this time however, I have yet to meet very many of them in all the random games I have joined.

Make what you will of it, but I continue to stand by what I have said.

Modifié par Aarek, 12 mai 2012 - 06:33 .

[megawug]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Megawug wrote... Since you're the better player, use the GPR X yourself for a few games and see what score you get.

I've tried it with a Turian Soldier and I felt I was getting more mileage out of the Phaeston (let alone the Hurricane if I'm going to spend AP ammo). Haven't tried it much with a Geth Engineer though.

Yes, but I think if you're asked to "put on a show", the GPR will suddenly become more effective.

[haisho]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Megawug wrote... Since you're the better player, use the GPR X yourself for a few games and see what score you get.

I've tried it with a Turian Soldier and I felt I was getting more mileage out of the Phaeston (let alone the Hurricane if I'm going to spend AP ammo). Haven't tried it much with a Geth Engineer though.

Might not want to bother with that. The Geth passive gives you something between 2 to 7 damage per shot on the GPR depending on how damage bonuses calculate. The difference isn't significant until you empty out 4 magazines or higher.

That's well beyond the time of whatever you want to be dead when you point your gun at it.

Modifié par haisho, 12 mai 2012 - 06:40 .

[GodlessPaladin]

Aarek wrote...
especially when there's an Asari Adept spamming Warp and Throw as well.

  The Asari Adept was almost never with me and wasn't doing much, actually.  Which is why she had, what, 20k points?  In fact I had no idea where the Asari Adept was most of that game.

I was setting and detonating my own BEs 90% of the time.  The video will indicate this.

Like I told you on XBL before you had your little rant, certain classes will have no trouble outscoring others in the right setting.

I actually wish I recorded that conversation.  I didn't argue with that point.  I said matter of factly "Okay, sure, for the sake of argument then, what class would you have me play?  I will play whatever class you want me to."  And you then wouldn't give me a straight answer... just kept repeating the same statement that I had already said I'd accept for the sake of argument with my very first response to you as if I was arguing with it.   I ended up just switching to a Soldier so that my contribution would be primarily weapon based.

I particularly enjoy how you failed to mention the score difference between mine and the other two who were using an Asari Adept and a Salarian Infiltrator.

  Actually, I said "The other two players were pubs who did essentially nothing.  Lance wasn't a bad player at all, though."  I also commented on the possibility that it might be a decent weapon on a Geth Engineer specifically.

As for the second game, I'd have gladly continued playing but that's a bit hard to do when your power is out. But thank you for twisting it to make it seem like I rage quit

Well, I had no idea that your power went out.  Anyways, all I said was that you quit midgame.  I didn't speculate as to why.  I am getting pretty sick of people responding to something they assumed I was thinking rather than what I actually say. 

I can honestly say that the majority of the games I have played on ME3 MP, I have outscored the others in the team.

  I don't doubt it.  Pubs are bad.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 12 mai 2012 - 06:50 .

[Paradox6006]

Disciple888 wrote...

Axialbloom wrote...

Disciple888 wrote...

datako12 wrote...

Disciple888 wrote...

Until someone shows me a screencap of using the GPR to achieve a decent score (150K+) on Gold, I'm gonna continue to believe that only noobs use the weapon.

150k isnt a decent score, 150k means you need to find a team of people that can actually play

150k is what I get on average, regardless of who I play with.  If I have to carry scrubs, I usually hit 170k-200k.

Sure you do...

From today.

Reapers White

Reapers Hydra

Cerberus Giant

Cerberus Ghost


Note, these are not even exceptional games.  I was playing with randoms in PUGs, no coordination, no mic.

Heres a game from yesterday where I straight up carried.

Geth Dagger

Holy hell, I get like 80-90k on gold in FBW and I consider myself good (I've come first every game I play ever since Lvl11 onwards. Now Lvl153) Everyone else on the team would get close scores to mine as well. But damn, 150k? That's insane, do you play on Ps3?