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[Ashen One]

Disciple888 wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Disciple888 wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Disciple888 wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

The GPR is pretty damn effective on a Geth Engineer, or Geth Infiltrator if you take the weapon damage passives.

Obviously the weapon is meant to kill basic enemies and not so much the large armored enemies, and if you're complaining that the GPR sucks because you can't solo Reapers on gold with it, then I'll asssume you're a moron. Try it on Cerberus or Geth while using a GI specced for weapon damage. Aim for the head.

"pretty damn effective" means it wouldn't be totally outclassed by other, better weapons.  Even if you spec it such and such, and get headshots, it doesn't take away from the fact that using a different weapon (Carnifex, Paladin, Mattock, Raptor, WIdow, Claymore) and scoring headshots would be MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE.

The majority of those weapons are a great deal heavier.

I know versatility isn't really popular among the elitists, and bringing a second weapon is generally frowned upon by the people who say you only need one, (playing every class as if it's a power class, and stacking the odds in their own favor instead of playing random enemy random map) but it's light enough to make dual weilding practical. Try it on a GI, you might surprise yourself.

Probably not though, I'd assume you'd just QQ more about how ineffective the weapon is because you don't know how to use it.

1) I only play Random/Random on Gold.
2) You can achieve 200% CD with Carnifex.
3) Taking it on GI serves what purpose?  GPS, Claymore, Falcon, Scorpion (so I've heard) are all much better options.
4) I know how the GPR works, and your condescension is hilarious.  Having tried it, and seen others try it, it's obviously not effective.  I mean, can you use it?  Sure.  But you're gimping yourself.  And I don't trust pub players even when they're rocking a Black Widow, let alone a ****ty weapon that on full auto against a Banshee is like flinging ice cubes at the sun.

1) Good for you.
2) Lol, Carnifex. The Carnifex is better for armor, but crap against shields compared to the GPR with a GI. (when HM is specced for RoF and you can actually hit your target in the head)
3) Why carry only 1 weapon on an infiltrator? I can make good use of the GPR, and still have the weight capacity available to bring another weapon as well because it's lightweight. However, bringing a Falcon, or Scorpion ect. with my GPS X is just stupid. Different weapons are better suited to different situations.
4) You obviously don't know how the weapon works, seeing as you're talking about trying to kill Banshees with it. I can use it to great effect, and I wouldn't consider it "gimping myself". I get the sense that you haven't actually tried it out yourself, but are just repeating what other people say on this forum. If you're using an AR on armor that isn't a Revenant X with the AP and EB mods at rank V with Inferno, Warp, or AP ammo, you're probably retarded.

1) damn bro, u mad?  You're the one who claimed "elitists" like me don't play Random/Random.
2) You have Overload if you're a Geth Engineer.  Why are you shooting at shields?  Are you RETAAARDEEED?  lmao
3) um, because I don't need a useless backup?  And D4rk50ul might disagree with your opinion on the Scorpion.
4) .... uh no, I was the one who started this topic, remember?  And it's from my personal experience playing Gold, if someone shows up with a GPR, I'mma hafta revive their ass 20 times before the match is done, and they're gonna kill nothing.  Don't worry, bro, if we ever play together, I'll carry you too .

1) Nope, perfectly calm.
2) I don't use the GPR on my GE. I use it on my Infiltrator. You might want to re-read my post, which is conveniently quoted above this one for you.
3) Useless to you does not mean useless to everyone else.

Scorpion is crap if you're not hosting. Mine is also relatively low level, so I wouldn't use it as a primary weapon. It's also crap against bosses.
4) lol.

Carry me then, what's your gamertag? I'm looking forward to seeing your 1337 ME 3 MP skills in action.

[haisho]

Ashen Earth wrote...

The Carnifex is better for armor, but crap against shields compared to the GPR with a GI. (when HM is specced for RoF and you can actually hit your target in the head)

Sorry, but I heavily disagree with that statement.

The only way a Carnifex does crap against shields is if your targets are constantly sitting at an amount of shields where you constantly waste damage against shield gate. There's absolutely nothing to suggest it's any less effective against shields than a GPR above that.

[Ashen One]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...
3) Why carry only 1 weapon on an infiltrator? I can make good use of the GPR, and still have the weight capacity available to bring another weapon as well because it's lightweight. However, bringing a Falcon, or Scorpion ect. with my GPS X is just stupid. Different weapons are better suited to different situations.

 Can't speak for Disciple, but I know I don't take an extra weapon because switching weapons takes FOREVER in this game and I never actually need a "backup weapon."  If I run out of ammo I use a clip pack.

It makes no sense to not bring another one if it doesn't adversely affect your cooldowns, especially if your primary has a glaringly obvious weakness, and you're playing random enemy, random map, with random team mates.

I'd hate to be that Human Soldier that can't support the team during the Wave 10 upload objective because I can't counter snipe a Nemesis with a Wraith. Or that Krogan Vanguard that got beat down by a Guardian on Firebase Giant because the Graal lacks AP.

[Cirreus]

Disciple888 wrote...

"Geth Pulse Rifle is the new Avenger
"

 When I see it, it's automatic Kick.  STOP USING SUCH A TERRIBLE WEAPON

Update the OP with (on Gold). I was like "WTF , I use both the guns all the time" until I figured you meant Silver/Gold. The GPR is a terrible weapon on Gold agreed, but it's not bad for peppering shielded targets in between spams on Silver & Bronze. Sometimes I don't feel like firing every single round each time on a target (like with the Mattlock or Pistols).

I personally have a ton fun on Bronze with the GPR X and Avenger X. I even use the Avenger X (AP & EB) on Silver with my power spam classes (which is damn near all of them) and it's effective (especially on Guardians).

I'd only vote to kick, like a Soldier on Silver/Gold with GPR & Submachine gun. Some ridiculous ineffective combo.

[Ashen One]

Cirreus wrote...

The GPR is a terrible weapon on Gold agreed, but it's not bad for peppering shielded targets in between spams on Silver & Bronze.

In this thread: People who use assault rifles on power classes, with power damage passives presumably taken over weapon damage passives, then say the weapons are terrible because the majority of their damage comes from their powers and not their weapons.

[Lucky_Day cz]

racist

[Cirreus]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Cirreus wrote...

The GPR is a terrible weapon on Gold agreed, but it's not bad for peppering shielded targets in between spams on Silver & Bronze.

In this thread: People who use assault rifles on power classes, with power damage passives presumably taken over weapon damage passives, then say the weapons are terrible because the majority of their damage comes from their powers and not their weapons.

It's easy to take a phrase out of context. How about you add the rest of my comments in when "trying" to make a non sequitur.

[haisho]

The Geth-specific damage upgrade does little difference with the amount of health targets have. Would you like some hard numbers on it?

GPR X fully modded to perform against both standard and armored targets on a Geth Engineer with Hunter Mode fully specced for weapon damage will do 71.5 damage per shot at a rate of 1035 RPM. Headshots deal 178.7. Reload time clocks at around 3 seconds, will take roughly half the time with the reload trick.

Assuming the wielder was completely competent, it would take 10 headshots to strip shields off a Centurion completely, and 24 shots to deplete with body shots.
To kill a Centurion would take 21 shots to the head, or 51 body shots.

Now using a Human Engineer. Damage drops to 64 per shot at a rate of 900 RPM.

11 shots to deplete Centurion shields with headshots, 26 without.
23 to kill with headshots, 57 without.

Well great, it's an amazing headshot weapon and barely takes 2 seconds to kill a Centurion. But the problem is that those are ideal situations where every shot lands perfectly, and there isn't a significant performance gain over the Geth damage bonus and Hunter Mode combined apart from RoF, which is negligible since the GPR fires rapidly already.

And that's the problem. Exactly what makes you believe everyone wielding a GPR X is amazing? There is absolutely no guarantee that this random Joe in a public Gold lobby would be dancing around his opponent with a GPR X.
We don't care that you can tear Gold up with a GPR X. That's fine.
What we care about is the fact that a random slob that shows up with a GPR X without understanding how to use it that causes problems on Gold.

You can throw around the argument that we play for fun. But let me ask you: Is it fun to lose?
Better yet, is it fun to lose when a complete stranger contributes to losing?

Modifié par haisho, 12 mai 2012 - 09:44 .

[Drakham]

After reading this whole Thread its nice to see that some people dont really have an idea what they are talking about but act as if they do. Kinda funny if you have the right perpective.

I think there were some great posts already about these topics and the avenger and the geth pulse rifle can do a nice job if you use them for their advantages and not try to use them for something they cant do.

If people just would use the search button before stating things in a "i know it all" matter of fact or asking the same question for the 20th time. But i can as well wish for world peace i guess...

[Dockerr]

I'm surprised that new people manage to post in this thread considering the size of some of the egos already here.

[Ashen One]

Cirreus wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Cirreus wrote...

The GPR is a terrible weapon on Gold agreed, but it's not bad for peppering shielded targets in between spams on Silver & Bronze.

In this thread: People who use assault rifles on power classes, with power damage passives presumably taken over weapon damage passives, then say the weapons are terrible because the majority of their damage comes from their powers and not their weapons.

It's easy to take a phrase out of context. How about you add the rest of my comments in when "trying" to make a non sequitur.

How was it taken out of context? You said the weapon is terrible on gold, but good for shooting shielded targets between power spam on bronze and silver. That implies that you were using it on a power class. The rest of your comment is not necessary to illustrate my point.

[molecularman]

Well, it does pretty average dps so it can't be that bad, just not the most effective thing around

[Ashen One]

haisho wrote...

And that's the problem. Exactly what makes you believe everyone wielding a GPR X is amazing? There is absolutely no guarantee that this random Joe in a public Gold lobby would be dancing around his opponent with a GPR X.
We don't care that you can tear Gold up with a GPR X. That's fine.
What we care about is the fact that a random slob that shows up with a GPR X without understanding how to use it that causes problems on Gold.

This has more to do with player skill (or lack thereof) than the weapon being underpowered. Personally, I find it hilariously easy to score consistent headshots with the GPR X, from almost any range, because it has near pinpoint accuracy.

[haisho]

Ashen Earth wrote...

haisho wrote...

And that's the problem. Exactly what makes you believe everyone wielding a GPR X is amazing? There is absolutely no guarantee that this random Joe in a public Gold lobby would be dancing around his opponent with a GPR X.
We don't care that you can tear Gold up with a GPR X. That's fine.
What we care about is the fact that a random slob that shows up with a GPR X without understanding how to use it that causes problems on Gold.

This has more to do with player skill (or lack thereof) than the weapon being underpowered. Personally, I find it hilariously easy to score consistent headshots with the GPR X, from almost any range, because it has near pinpoint accuracy.

And that is the problem with public Gold lobbies. The quality is terrible!

Last thing we need is for them to be even more terrible by lugging a GPR X and taking 4 magazines to kill a bloody Centurion.

[Ashen One]

haisho wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

haisho wrote...

And that's the problem. Exactly what makes you believe everyone wielding a GPR X is amazing? There is absolutely no guarantee that this random Joe in a public Gold lobby would be dancing around his opponent with a GPR X.
We don't care that you can tear Gold up with a GPR X. That's fine.
What we care about is the fact that a random slob that shows up with a GPR X without understanding how to use it that causes problems on Gold.

This has more to do with player skill (or lack thereof) than the weapon being underpowered. Personally, I find it hilariously easy to score consistent headshots with the GPR X, from almost any range, because it has near pinpoint accuracy.

And that is the problem with public Gold lobbies. The quality is terrible!

Last thing we need is for them to be even more terrible by lugging a GPR X and taking 4 magazines to kill a bloody Centurion.

A bad player is going to be a bad player regardless of their weapon loadout.

Woud you prefer Asari Adepts with Widows, that try to Stasis Ravagers?

[Pride Demon]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

TygerHeart wrote...

I was using it with Disruptor 1 ammo and chewing up Guardians. Power spam for everything else.

No you weren't. <_<


EDIT - To clarify, I love the GPR with a Geth Engineer. But it doesn't have any kind of penetration even with an AP mod. There is literally no way this is effective against Guardians. You have to equip something else like a Phalanx or Javelin to pierce the shield.

I don't know, I admit to almost never playing on gold (unless that damn drop in feature glitches again), but I find the GPR to be useful against guardians.
It's litterally the only AR I manage to get mailshots with, due to its nonexistant recoil and great accuracy. High RoF weapons also stagger them often, leaving them vulnerable to further fire or allied fire...

[haisho]

Well, at least when a shot hits, it's something you can capitalize on.

Certainly better than the alternative of having an occasional shot that barely tickles them.

Modifié par haisho, 12 mai 2012 - 09:54 .

[uzivatel]

bajsmongo66 wrote...

i play asari justicar with avenger x with piercing mod and barrel mod....i find it extremely good and versatile plus it gives me no weight... more often than not coming in 1st place..if you're into that sorta thing.. so stop badmouthing the avenger!! not every class is buildt for GPS and widows...

Try Vindicator X.
Being first has more to do with the way the score system works...

Bapawaka wrote...

Ever heard of reloading animation frame cancelling?

Some people dont enjoy using glitches ... ridiculous, I know.

[Mr_Happy]

As others already said, it's great on an adept or engineer, IF you slap ammo power III on it and detonate biotic expl./tech bursts all day. Same with the Avenger.
Without ammo power the gun is utterly useless though (on gold).

[iplay222]

i use geth pulse rifle on my geth engineer, i only ever play on gold ( never on FBW/G/G as i find it to be boring) i rarely lose gold, and im usually 2nd or 1st with my geth engineer.
Just because you are bad/ dont like a weapon doesnt make it bad. i used to hate the thing until i got my geth engineer.

 DEAL WITH IT.

Modifié par iplay222, 12 mai 2012 - 10:49 .

[Rahabzu]

haisho wrote...

Well, at least when a shot hits, it's something you can capitalize on.

Certainly better than the alternative of having an occasional shot that barely tickles them.

You really like to exaggerate.

[brian_breed]

Cirreus wrote...

Disciple888 wrote...

"Geth Pulse Rifle is the new Avenger
"

 When I see it, it's automatic Kick.  STOP USING SUCH A TERRIBLE WEAPON

Update the OP with (on Gold). I was like "WTF , I use both the guns all the time" until I figured you meant Silver/Gold. The GPR is a terrible weapon on Gold agreed, but it's not bad for peppering shielded targets in between spams on Silver & Bronze. Sometimes I don't feel like firing every single round each time on a target (like with the Mattlock or Pistols).

I personally have a ton fun on Bronze with the GPR X and Avenger X. I even use the Avenger X (AP & EB) on Silver with my power spam classes (which is damn near all of them) and it's effective (especially on Guardians).

I'd only vote to kick, like a Soldier on Silver/Gold with GPR & Submachine gun. Some ridiculous ineffective combo.

I got kicked for carrying that loadout on silver. Then I got into a new group and did 90k. Concussive shot spam while emptying a clip. When you get to the bottom of the clip pop AR. Empty the clip. Reload. Repeat. Be the best detonator and dealer on your team while everyone wonders what the hell you're doing with those weapons.

Know what? 5 damage per round "on Gold" is fine when in one second second you fire five bullets. Use an AP mod and extended barrel to negate the weapon's shortcomings. Voila. Effective weapon. There is nothing wrong with this gun. 

[brian_breed]

Pride Demon wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

TygerHeart wrote...

I was using it with Disruptor 1 ammo and chewing up Guardians. Power spam for everything else.

No you weren't. <_<


EDIT - To clarify, I love the GPR with a Geth Engineer. But it doesn't have any kind of penetration even with an AP mod. There is literally no way this is effective against Guardians. You have to equip something else like a Phalanx or Javelin to pierce the shield.

I don't know, I admit to almost never playing on gold (unless that damn drop in feature glitches again), but I find the GPR to be useful against guardians.
It's litterally the only AR I manage to get mailshots with, due to its nonexistant recoil and great accuracy. High RoF weapons also stagger them often, leaving them vulnerable to further fire or allied fire...

AP mod and just ffs'ing SHOOT THROUGH THE SHIELD. I do this all day.

Modifié par brian_breed, 12 mai 2012 - 10:58 .

[Ashen One]

brian_breed wrote...


AP mod and just ffs'ing SHOOT THROUGH THE SHIELD. I do this all day.

What's even better, you can hipfire it from cover to kill multiple Guardians, while leaving less of yourself exposed.

I guess you could try that with a Carnifex, but in my experience, it's pretty worthless unless you aim down the sight.

[brian_breed]

Ashen Earth wrote...

brian_breed wrote...


AP mod and just ffs'ing SHOOT THROUGH THE SHIELD. I do this all day.

What's even better, you can hipfire it from cover to kill multiple Guardians, while leaving less of yourself exposed.

I guess you could try that with a Carnifex, but in my experience, it's pretty worthless unless you aim down the sight.

Blindfiring is one of the strengths of ARs that almost no one utilizes. And it's a really good form of crowd control.