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[BioFan (Official)]

 We know there won't be anything else to complete hawke's stroy, or gameplay at least. 
So even though most of us fans voted against it:

Epologes like in DA:O/DAO:A

 Wouldn't it be better then having nothing?
This way we would at least get some closure to Hawke's story, insted of being left with nothing. 

Example:





It could be relesed as a free DLC:D


Give your thoughts below, and what questions would you want addressed in the epiloge? 

Modifié par Ericander77, 19 mai 2012 - 10:43 .

[wsandista]

You could just have Hawke get lost at sea.

[Dakota Strider]

Hmm, I do not recall a chance to vote on whether or not I liked epilogues. They have been working well for Bioware fantasy rpg's since BG2. And I think there is still a chance for "something" to occur regarding both the Champion and the Warden, though Bioware needs to be careful in how they do it. The Seekers seem to be looking for Hawke, and there are a good many Wardens that may be tied to Morrigan, which is potentially very important thread to be followed in the DA saga.

Until they say they are dead, I would not count them out.

[Maria Caliban]

Better would be DA 3 having a self-contained story and gamers accepting that Dragon Age isn't Mass Effect and that each protagonist gets a single game.

[MichaelStuart]

Cheap ways to find out what happen to Hawk

1:We ask the developers to just tell us
2:We find out in Dragon age 3
3:We all make up our own Ending and then fight to see whose is right

I don't like epilogues, I think there a bad way to end things.
As for stuff I like to know

1:what happen to Fenris, when I killed him(he seemed to faded away before I could finish him)
2:did Aveline stay in kirkwall
3:what happened to all the people I met

[berelinde]

Oddly enough, I find that having Hawke, Anders, and Isabela sail away aboard the Siren's Call 2 is all the closure I need. I have never been 100% satisfied with an epilogue written by somebody else, so leaving that last big RP decision open works for me on a lot of levels. I'm free to imagine fates for Hawke's companions based on my perception of their personalities.

Were DA2 the last game of the series, I would want to know what happened to the world itself after the end credits rolled, but I kind of like the fact that there are no canon endings for the companions, just the ones we invent ourselves.

[deuce985]

I think we'll get closure in DA3. I don't think Hawke will be the main character again but he/she will play a part in DA3. He did disappear. If you look at DA"s history, they have a lot of important people that end up just disappearing. Maybe the writers just want to leave it up to your imagination on what happens next for the Warden/Hawke.

But I'm hoping that plot plays into DA3. I don't think a Hawke companion could work but having a plotline for him would make sense, IMO.

Modifié par deuce985, 12 mai 2012 - 03:57 .

[kingtigernz]

Hawke died due to to much awesome button,his head exploded.

[wsandista]

kingtigernz wrote...

Hawke died due to to much awesome button,his head exploded.

No, his head exploded like a blood sausage.

[Wulfram]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Better would be DA 3 having a self-contained story and gamers accepting that Dragon Age isn't Mass Effect and that each protagonist gets a single game.

That still requires that Bioware come up with a half decent way of handling previous PCs

[Dutchess]

berelinde wrote...

Oddly enough, I find that having Hawke, Anders, and Isabela sail away aboard the Siren's Call 2 is all the closure I need. I have never been 100% satisfied with an epilogue written by somebody else, so leaving that last big RP decision open works for me on a lot of levels. I'm free to imagine fates for Hawke's companions based on my perception of their personalities.

Were DA2 the last game of the series, I would want to know what happened to the world itself after the end credits rolled, but I kind of like the fact that there are no canon endings for the companions, just the ones we invent ourselves.

My issue is that you in fact do not get the chance to imagine what happens with Hawke and companions. Because, apparantly Hawke disappeared. Just like the Warden. Which is no coincidence. With those last two words, the opportunity to believe whatever you like about the rest of Hawke's life, is taken away. There is no closure, because there is a big mystery which connects both the Warden and Hawke.

Flemeth probably ate both of them.
 

[berelinde]

renjility wrote...

berelinde wrote...

Oddly enough, I find that having Hawke, Anders, and Isabela sail away aboard the Siren's Call 2 is all the closure I need. I have never been 100% satisfied with an epilogue written by somebody else, so leaving that last big RP decision open works for me on a lot of levels. I'm free to imagine fates for Hawke's companions based on my perception of their personalities.

Were DA2 the last game of the series, I would want to know what happened to the world itself after the end credits rolled, but I kind of like the fact that there are no canon endings for the companions, just the ones we invent ourselves.

My issue is that you in fact do not get the chance to imagine what happens with Hawke and companions. Because, apparantly Hawke disappeared. Just like the Warden. Which is no coincidence. With those last two words, the opportunity to believe whatever you like about the rest of Hawke's life, is taken away. There is no closure, because there is a big mystery which connects both the Warden and Hawke.

Flemeth probably ate both of them.
 

Regarding the bolded part, how so? The "no coincidence" part was speculation by Leliana who just heard Cassandra's one-sentence synopsis of a second-party unreliable narrator. As far as I'm concerned, she could tell Cassandra that the Maker told her they were snorkeling in the palace fountains at Val Royeaux and it wouldn't alter my imagined ending in the slightest.

Think about it. No coincidence that the Chantry was unable to find Hawke? The Chantry can't find its own conscience, so I can hardly expect them to locate a man who is well used to hiding his identity and his wherabouts, especially not when he has the assistance of a cadre of talented allies. And then there's the whole "unreliable" part of Varric's narrative. He tells Cassandra that he doesn't know where Hawke is, but from the sound of things, he was telling her only enough of the truth to make the lie easy enough to swallow. He was probably thinking "It's true. I don't know where Hawke is. Not at this particular moment. I know that in two weeks, he'll be showing up for the diamondback tournament at the Hanged Man, but that isn't the question this Seeker chick asked, is it?"

So yeah, we still have plenty of wiggle room for our own personal head canon. At this point.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Hawke's Easy closure:

Cassandra,"Gone. Just like the Warden."

[Mmw04014]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Better would be DA 3 having a self-contained story and gamers accepting that Dragon Age isn't Mass Effect and that each protagonist gets a single game.

Pretty much this.

Dragon Age needs to leave previous protagonists alone to live in headcanon land forever. I would hate to see Hawke drudged out for DA3 completely contradicting what I set up and what I wanted for her just because fans kept clamouring for closure. Make your own.

Modifié par Mmw04014, 12 mai 2012 - 01:54 .

[LolaLei]

They'll probably tell us where both the Warden and Hawke disappeared to in DA3 or one of the future Dragon Age games. The fact that Cassandra mentions that both of them have vanished goes to show that they'll play a part in the bigger picture, though we probably won't actually see them but we'll no doubt hear about them.

[Reznore57]

I agree it's not Mass effect (though it's sad cause i like the concept but never liked Shepard much), but it's getting a bit tiresome "and the hero disapeared into the sunset..."
With DA3 and a new protagonist coming , i don't know what they 're gonna do , they could kill the hero at the end ...i don't know if i'd like that honestly .
And as mentions above , hero vanishing raise question , we still don't know if it's tied to the plot or not , so headcannon is great but what if they decide to give a story to Hawke and the Warden , headcannon doesn't work so well anymore.
So it would be nice in DA3 to have a clear idea iif our last heros are still part of some unknown plot or if we can go and headcanon their future as we like...

[Uzzy]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Better would be DA 3 having a self-contained story and gamers accepting that Dragon Age isn't Mass Effect and that each protagonist gets a single game.

I always thought that was the original plan, so I was kinda disappointed to see DA2 bring back characters from DA:O. Far better to deliberatly seperate each game, geographically and in terms of time.

This would require a proper epilogue for each game though, to give closure. DA:O's screens at the end were a great way to do it. Nice and simple and cheap.

[Nerdage]

Prior to DA2 I was happy enough to just make up whatever I wanted post-game, but that idea had gone for a burton by the end of DA2 due to you-know-what.

I don't need an epilogue detailing what happened to Hawke, I don't even want one particularly. Ideally I'd just like it if I could be relatively certain that the writers won't trample whatever I come up with for my characters, or at least that if they do then they won't do it in a really vague way then leave it hanging for more than a year without explanation..

[Vovea]

Hawke's story did have closure. She or he either became Viscount of Kirkwall, went on the run by land or sailed away on Isabela's ship and eventually disappeared. The DLC that was released after added to the story leading up to that ending and it didn't need to do any more than that.

If the 'disappearing heroes being connected' plot does get resolved I'd prefer it if it wasn't in the form of credit slides.

[Drasanil]

Best way to end Hawke's story would be to see him get killed by the side he didn't pick at the end of DA2 at that start of DA3. So either burned at the stake by the templars or blasted to bits by the mages.

Makes Hawke a Martyr for those who like him, gets him dead for those who don't, and balances out both sides in the conflict with neither having a powerful former player character backing them, and does away with any potential problems of actually having him make a cameo... "no, no my Hawke would have said this" "Nuhuh Hawke would have totally done that."

[Vormaerin]

I prefer that we have a new protagonist in DA3, because its pretty clear that serial use of the protagonist eventually boxes the game developers into a corner where they can't offer many variables because otherwise the branches get too broad for a single game.

I am disappointed we don't get the DA2 expansion, though I understand the decision. I liked the character and the story, but I don't think I want to play a DA3 in which Hawke is an NPC.

[BioFan (Official)]

Uzzy wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Better would be DA 3 having a self-contained story and gamers accepting that Dragon Age isn't Mass Effect and that each protagonist gets a single game.

I always thought that was the original plan, so I was kinda disappointed to see DA2 bring back characters from DA:O. Far better to deliberatly seperate each game, geographically and in terms of time.

This would require a proper epilogue for each game though, to give closure. DA:O's screens at the end were a great way to do it. Nice and simple and cheap.

My thoughts exactly. THey don't have to give away too much, just SOMETHING. 


I really want to know about:

What happens with Merril's mirror
If Fenris remembers
If Aveline stays in Kirkwall
What Sabastian does with his title
What happens to Kirkwall
What happens to Bethany/Carver post-gallows
Does Meradeth's glowy statue thing just stay there...
The Bone Pit
What exactly happens with the Kossith 


etc etc

[Icesong]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Better would be DA 3 having a self-contained story and gamers accepting that Dragon Age isn't Mass Effect and that each protagonist gets a single game.

Gamers? How about the developers?

[Dutchess]

berelinde wrote...

renjility wrote...

My issue is that you in fact do not get the chance to imagine what happens with Hawke and companions. Because, apparantly Hawke disappeared. Just like the Warden. Which is no coincidence. With those last two words, the opportunity to believe whatever you like about the rest of Hawke's life, is taken away. There is no closure, because there is a big mystery which connects both the Warden and Hawke.

Flemeth probably ate both of them.
 

Regarding the bolded part, how so? The "no coincidence" part was speculation by Leliana who just heard Cassandra's one-sentence synopsis of a second-party unreliable narrator. As far as I'm concerned, she could tell Cassandra that the Maker told her they were snorkeling in the palace fountains at Val Royeaux and it wouldn't alter my imagined ending in the slightest.

Think about it. No coincidence that the Chantry was unable to find Hawke? The Chantry can't find its own conscience, so I can hardly expect them to locate a man who is well used to hiding his identity and his wherabouts, especially not when he has the assistance of a cadre of talented allies. And then there's the whole "unreliable" part of Varric's narrative. He tells Cassandra that he doesn't know where Hawke is, but from the sound of things, he was telling her only enough of the truth to make the lie easy enough to swallow. He was probably thinking "It's true. I don't know where Hawke is. Not at this particular moment. I know that in two weeks, he'll be showing up for the diamondback tournament at the Hanged Man, but that isn't the question this Seeker chick asked, is it?"

So yeah, we still have plenty of wiggle room for our own personal head canon. At this point.

The "no coincidence" is not referring to the Chantry's inability to track Hawke or the Warden down. It does not mean Leliana and Cassandra suck at their job. "No coincidence" refers to Hawke and the Warden both being unfindable. It refers to a connection between the two disappearances. "Gone. Just like the Warden." That does not mean they have both ridden off into the sunset, untraceable for the Chantry. We know from the Awakening epilogue the Warden disappears eventually. "Just like the Warden" clearly says Hawke disappears in the same way. "No coincidence" says something is going on. Something suspicious. Something that eats heroes. 
This is not about Varric lying and making stuff up. This is no longer about Varric. 

I see your reasoning, but for me this leaves no room for personal imagination. For me this is an annoying and unnecessary cliffhanger. They could have better left this non-coincidential disappearance act for the next game. Then we would have had closure for Hawke when it comes to DA2. When DA3 messes with my head canon then, I don't care. I don't hold head canon sacred. But now there is no chance for head canon. We have only gotten at least two years of insecurity.