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[vixvicco]

Seboist wrote...

vixvicco wrote...

It doesn't matter. Don't try to argue with these people. If they want to believe their delusions, let them. The rest of us will be laughing at them when the DLC comes out, disproving their theories and all the effort they put into the IT will be for nothing.

It's still fun to verbally slap them around though. The IT "theorists" remind me of 9/11 "truther" whackjobs and Resident Evil fanboys who take the quickly slapped together schlock that passes for that series' "story" seriously.

I took a peak into their IT thread and i saw them desperately trying to find meaning in rocks in that Shepard lives destroy ending... just lol. That thread is a gold mine for mental health researchers.

LOL, I agree! They can have their beliefs, but for me Boiware has made it clear its not the IT. I throughly enjoy trolling them. 

[ArthurVon]

You people should not fight about the IT theory, you should fight to have a REAL ending, not a ****ing useless dream of a **** that never really happened.

[Galifreya]

The Invisible Commando wrote...

I've seen the low EMS dialogue when you have no choice but Destroy and StarBrat is full of pissed off knowing you can only destroy them. Of course he is trying to push you to the green ending. That is his goal. He only tries to make Destroy and Control look bad.

IT theory is hoping that the end is better and Destroy is your only choice. Bioware is not pushing you to Destroy. The writing isn't some grand trick or mind play.

Yes, I have seen many IT videos. All of them seemed okay in some areas, but flawed in others. "It was all a dream" is some Wizard of OZ crap.

So you'd prefer it be the ending to every Deus Ex game, The Matrix, Brave New World, Battlestar Galactica, etc? (because there are a thousand other movies/media that -also- copied those) The ending isn't original, no matter how you slice it. So what exactly is everyone's problem with IT?

Another thing, just FYI. With a low EMS, the choice you get offered is dependant on whether or not you destroyed or preserved the collector base from ME2. If you destroyed it, you only get offered destroy. If you kept it, you only get offered Control. And both times, the first thing he says is, "What are you doing here?" as if he's pissed off you're there too early, and didn't do enough to get offered synthesis.

[Ytook]

You are wrongly assuming as many do that IT states Shepard is already indoctrinated, s/he is not indoctrinated yet, you only become indoctrinated if you choose control or synthesis (just as the illusive man chose control and Saren chose synthesis), if anything your point supports IT as why offer control when it's stayed again and again to be impossible.

[BiO]

vixvicco wrote...

Seboist wrote...

vixvicco wrote...

It doesn't matter. Don't try to argue with these people. If they want to believe their delusions, let them. The rest of us will be laughing at them when the DLC comes out, disproving their theories and all the effort they put into the IT will be for nothing.

It's still fun to verbally slap them around though. The IT "theorists" remind me of 9/11 "truther" whackjobs and Resident Evil fanboys who take the quickly slapped together schlock that passes for that series' "story" seriously.

I took a peak into their IT thread and i saw them desperately trying to find meaning in rocks in that Shepard lives destroy ending... just lol. That thread is a gold mine for mental health researchers.

LOL, I agree! They can have their beliefs, but for me Boiware has made it clear its not the IT. I throughly enjoy trolling them. 

I think you guys are the mental health research gold mine.

[N7Gold]

The Invisible Commando wrote...

I don't see how people are still talking IT theory that I never believed. The StarBrat comments himself that TIM could never use the control method himself because he is indoctrinated. Obviously if Shepard is indoctrinated he can never control the Reapers. Also if he was indoctrinated, he would be a puppet. Why even give him the illusion of choice? StarBrat could just order him to do whatever. The IT theory logic is flawed even by the game itself.

Shepard isn't indoctrinated YET. What he/she experiences with the nightmares of oily shadows and all that are symptoms of pre-indoctrination. NOT post-indoctrination. If you choose the Control or Synthesis endings, Shepard's eyes become like Illusive Man's if you look closely.

Modifié par N7Gold, 12 mai 2012 - 02:00 .

[Drake-Shepard]

The Invisible Commando wrote...

I don't see how people are still talking IT theory that I never believed. The StarBrat comments himself that TIM could never use the control method himself because he is indoctrinated. Obviously if Shepard is indoctrinated he can never control the Reapers. Also if he was indoctrinated, he would be a puppet. Why even give him the illusion of choice? StarBrat could just order him to do whatever. The IT theory logic is flawed even by the game itself.

This is the stupidest thing I have ever read, (ok maybe not ever)

Indoc theory may or may not be true, there is plently of evidence for both sides of the arguement. This is not one of them. This is a nonsense conclusion.

You don't fully understand IT and i don't think you fully understand the literal interpretation either. Once you understand them, then you can critique it. You can't critique something you don't even understand.

Modifié par Drake-Shepard, 12 mai 2012 - 02:07 .

[Candidate 88766]

Jayleia wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...


Plus, even if you don't believe the Catalyst the IT still has to assume that this is wrong:

Except that in 3 out of 3 possible endings (barring easter egg), Shepard is dead.  Continue building a legend?

Shepard's not pinin'! 'E's passed on!
This Shepard is no more! She has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet
'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If they hadn't tacked on an easter egg 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now
'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil,
run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS
AN EX-SHEPARD!!

You can't continue to build her legend!

Did your game just not come with 'New Game +' or something?

Continuing to build on Shepard's legend just means repeat playthroughs. if you do NG+, you can unlock better weapons and reach higher levels - you build on Shepard's legend.


In all the time the IT has been floating around, no-one has ever actually come up with an argument against this. The game explicitly tells you that the Reaper threat is over, which is simply not the case if the IT is true - therefore, the IT cannot be true. People can connect glitches and inconsistencies to try to make them into a bigger picture 'proving' the IT, but the game itslef explicitly disproves it. Something which the IT supporters just seem to ignore. Its an interesting theory, and there is some stuff that lends it credence, but it clearly isn't what Bioware intended.

[AtlasMickey]

irish07slasher wrote...

My head hurts just thinking about how this doesn't make sense to you

Let me sum this up really quickly so that we can move on and let this die: The IT theory assumes that the starkid is LYING

Thank you, have a good day

IT relies on a cherry-picking of information from the game.

[KingZayd]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Jayleia wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...


Plus, even if you don't believe the Catalyst the IT still has to assume that this is wrong:

Except that in 3 out of 3 possible endings (barring easter egg), Shepard is dead.  Continue building a legend?

Shepard's not pinin'! 'E's passed on!
This Shepard is no more! She has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet
'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If they hadn't tacked on an easter egg 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now
'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil,
run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS
AN EX-SHEPARD!!

You can't continue to build her legend!

Did your game just not come with 'New Game +' or something?

Continuing to build on Shepard's legend just means repeat playthroughs. if you do NG+, you can unlock better weapons and reach higher levels - you build on Shepard's legend.


In all the time the IT has been floating around, no-one has ever actually come up with an argument against this. The game explicitly tells you that the Reaper threat is over, which is simply not the case if the IT is true - therefore, the IT cannot be true. People can connect glitches and inconsistencies to try to make them into a bigger picture 'proving' the IT, but the game itslef explicitly disproves it. Something which the IT supporters just seem to ignore. Its an interesting theory, and there is some stuff that lends it credence, but it clearly isn't what Bioware intended.

How do you continue building the legend if the story is over? NG+ isn't continuing the building of the legend. It's building a new legend.

[Phaedra Sanguine]

Theories are things based on evidence. That isn't entirely the case with IT. You're more grasping at things that look or seem like evidence and calling it that. If anything, it's an Indoctrination Hypothesis.

[Elyiia]

KingZayd wrote...

How do you continue building the legend if the story is over? NG+ isn't continuing the building of the legend. It's building a new legend.

Technically a NG+ is redoing the legend, possibly in a different way. Anyway, the "Continue building the legend" is a message to the play to buy the pre-ending DLCs they will be releasing. Then they do it again even less subtly with "buy moar dlc"

[KingZayd]

Elyiia wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

How do you continue building the legend if the story is over? NG+ isn't continuing the building of the legend. It's building a new legend.

Technically a NG+ is redoing the legend, possibly in a different way. Anyway, the "Continue building the legend" is a message to the play to buy the pre-ending DLCs they will be releasing. Then they do it again even less subtly with "buy moar dlc"

pre ending DLC would be part of another legend/ legend do-over.

[SlyTF1]

The starchild lied to Shepard by saying that TIM couldn't control them. He wanted Shepard to do it, because Shepard is more competant and capable of controling them. It was a lie. Why the hell do you think Shepard's eyes glow when you pick the Control ending?

[Elyiia]

KingZayd wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

How do you continue building the legend if the story is over? NG+ isn't continuing the building of the legend. It's building a new legend.

Technically a NG+ is redoing the legend, possibly in a different way. Anyway, the "Continue building the legend" is a message to the play to buy the pre-ending DLCs they will be releasing. Then they do it again even less subtly with "buy moar dlc"

pre ending DLC would be part of another legend/ legend do-over.

Yes, but it is still the legend of Shepard. It might be a different Shepard, but it's still Shepard. You're thinking too hard about this

[sAxMoNkI]

OP my understanding of IT is that everything after Shep is knocked out by Harbinger's laser plays out in his head and that the "Shepard breathes" scene you get with High EMS in Destroy is him shaking off the indoc attempt and waking up in the rubble of London just in front of the conduit right where Harbinger shot at him. So technically in this interpretation the Catalyst is a figment of Shep's imagination or the 'physical' manifestation of the reapers in his mind.

[Shepard Wins]

OP Listen to yourself! You're indoctrinated!

[KingZayd]

Elyiia wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

How do you continue building the legend if the story is over? NG+ isn't continuing the building of the legend. It's building a new legend.

Technically a NG+ is redoing the legend, possibly in a different way. Anyway, the "Continue building the legend" is a message to the play to buy the pre-ending DLCs they will be releasing. Then they do it again even less subtly with "buy moar dlc"

pre ending DLC would be part of another legend/ legend do-over.

Yes, but it is still the legend of Shepard. It might be a different Shepard, but it's still Shepard. You're thinking too hard about this

By the same logic, another Shepard might have ended the reaper threat

I don't see why it's such a stretch, in the case of indoctrination theory (where the scene itself would be a lie) for them to have that sort of message? It's not as if the credits and the scenes before it wouldn't be intended to give you that same impression.

Personally, since we see what happens in the far future anyway, it's quite possible that the threat was ended after that dream, maybe for all the choices involved. It's not as if Shepard's the only person in London you know. I imagine he'd still get credit for all he's done.

[Elyiia]

KingZayd wrote...

By the same logic, another Shepard might have ended the reaper threat

I don't see why it's such a stretch, in the case of indoctrination theory (where the scene itself would be a lie) for them to have that sort of message? It's not as if the credits and the scenes before it wouldn't be intended to give you that same impression.

Personally, since we see what happens in the far future anyway, it's quite possible that the threat was ended after that dream, maybe for all the choices involved. It's not as if Shepard's the only person in London you know. I imagine he'd still get credit for all he's done.

It's because it specifically says that Shepard has defeated the Reapers.

If you believe IT, he hasn't actually defeated the Reapers, contridicting the in game message.

[KingZayd]

Elyiia wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

By the same logic, another Shepard might have ended the reaper threat

I don't see why it's such a stretch, in the case of indoctrination theory (where the scene itself would be a lie) for them to have that sort of message? It's not as if the credits and the scenes before it wouldn't be intended to give you that same impression.

Personally, since we see what happens in the far future anyway, it's quite possible that the threat was ended after that dream, maybe for all the choices involved. It's not as if Shepard's the only person in London you know. I imagine he'd still get credit for all he's done.

It's because it specifically says that Shepard has defeated the Reapers.

If you believe IT, he hasn't actually defeated the Reapers, contridicting the in game message.

by ending the reaper threat. Doesn't necessarily mean he pulled the trigger himself. We also see the far future before that message. By that time we can assume the reaper threat is over. It doesn't contradict whatever happens after he wakes up.

[hoodaticus]

Elyiia wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

By the same logic, another Shepard might have ended the reaper threat

I don't see why it's such a stretch, in the case of indoctrination theory (where the scene itself would be a lie) for them to have that sort of message? It's not as if the credits and the scenes before it wouldn't be intended to give you that same impression.

Personally, since we see what happens in the far future anyway, it's quite possible that the threat was ended after that dream, maybe for all the choices involved. It's not as if Shepard's the only person in London you know. I imagine he'd still get credit for all he's done.

It's because it specifically says that Shepard has defeated the Reapers.

If you believe IT, he hasn't actually defeated the Reapers, contridicting the in game message.

That "in game message" was an advertisement for paid dlc.  You're not supposed to believe advertising.

[balance5050]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Jayleia wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...


Plus, even if you don't believe the Catalyst the IT still has to assume that this is wrong:
snip

Except that in 3 out of 3 possible endings (barring easter egg), Shepard is dead.  Continue building a legend?

Shepard's not pinin'! 'E's passed on!
This Shepard is no more! She has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet
'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If they hadn't tacked on an easter egg 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now
'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil,
run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS
AN EX-SHEPARD!!

You can't continue to build her legend!

Did your game just not come with 'New Game +' or something?

Continuing to build on Shepard's legend just means repeat playthroughs. if you do NG+, you can unlock better weapons and reach higher levels - you build on Shepard's legend.


In all the time the IT has been floating around, no-one has ever actually come up with an argument against this. The game explicitly tells you that the Reaper threat is over, which is simply not the case if the IT is true - therefore, the IT cannot be true. People can connect glitches and inconsistencies to try to make them into a bigger picture 'proving' the IT, but the game itslef explicitly disproves it. Something which the IT supporters just seem to ignore. Its an interesting theory, and there is some stuff that lends it credence, but it clearly isn't what Bioware intended.

It's not part of the story... it says DLC, its just a cheesy  message letting you know that DLC is on the way. If it says DLC, it's an advertisement.

It's not like Aria says out loud, "I'd love to retake Omega, but you have to buy the DLC, Shepard."

Modifié par balance5050, 12 mai 2012 - 04:04 .

[Silhouett3]

Candidate 88766 wrote...


In all the time the IT has been floating around, no-one has ever actually come up with an argument against this. The game explicitly tells you that the Reaper threat is over, which is simply not the case if the IT is true - therefore, the IT cannot be true. People can connect glitches and inconsistencies to try to make them into a bigger picture 'proving' the IT, but the game itslef explicitly disproves it. 

I did gave a link only one page ago, do not ignore it. Reading never hurt anybody.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10973597/1

[Elyiia]

KingZayd wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

By the same logic, another Shepard might have ended the reaper threat

I don't see why it's such a stretch, in the case of indoctrination theory (where the scene itself would be a lie) for them to have that sort of message? It's not as if the credits and the scenes before it wouldn't be intended to give you that same impression.

Personally, since we see what happens in the far future anyway, it's quite possible that the threat was ended after that dream, maybe for all the choices involved. It's not as if Shepard's the only person in London you know. I imagine he'd still get credit for all he's done.

It's because it specifically says that Shepard has defeated the Reapers.

If you believe IT, he hasn't actually defeated the Reapers, contridicting the in game message.

by ending the reaper threat. Doesn't necessarily mean he pulled the trigger himself. We also see the far future before that message. By that time we can assume the reaper threat is over. It doesn't contradict whatever happens after he wakes up.

So how does Shepard waking up defeat the Reapers? Having the actual ending off screen might be worse than not shipping the ending with the game itself.

[Kyle Kabanya]

Could people stop making threads about the ending. WE ALL KNOW IT SUCKS. Please stop stating the obvious.

Maybe, a moderator should creat one giant official thread to talk about the ending so people stop creating new ones.

*Stares at Chris*