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[CavScout]

balance5050 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

It's an advert for DLC, it's not actuallt contained in the lore and should be disreegarded, just like messages that tell you to play again on a harder difficulty.

If you have to ignore what the game tells you for your theory to work, your theory is wrong. Ignoring something is not the same as disproving it.

But don't you see, the actual ending ignores the themes and morals expressed to you since ME1. So by accepting what starkid says, YOU are ignoring the entire series.

Except you don't and the game doesn't.

[CavScout]

balance5050 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

They use every organic race as husks, because they are the perfect weapon: there is an unlimited supply (until your enemy is defeated), they are utterly loyal, they require no food or water, they will never break, and they are often terrifying for the opposing force to behold.

They said that they "leave the younger ones alone"... clearly not true.

Is ignoring the game itself part of the arsenal of Indoctrination Theorists?

[balance5050]

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

They use every organic race as husks, because they are the perfect weapon: there is an unlimited supply (until your enemy is defeated), they are utterly loyal, they require no food or water, they will never break, and they are often terrifying for the opposing force to behold.

They said that they "leave the younger ones alone"... clearly not true.

Is ignoring the game itself part of the arsenal of Indoctrination Theorists?

Wut? I'm referencing the game not ignoring it.

[iHorizons]

Lots of speculations from everyone in this thread

[CavScout]

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

They use every organic race as husks, because they are the perfect weapon: there is an unlimited supply (until your enemy is defeated), they are utterly loyal, they require no food or water, they will never break, and they are often terrifying for the opposing force to behold.

They said that they "leave the younger ones alone"... clearly not true.

Is ignoring the game itself part of the arsenal of Indoctrination Theorists?

Wut? I'm referencing the game not ignoring it.

You are ignoring parts you don't like because they don't fit with IT.

[balance5050]

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

They use every organic race as husks, because they are the perfect weapon: there is an unlimited supply (until your enemy is defeated), they are utterly loyal, they require no food or water, they will never break, and they are often terrifying for the opposing force to behold.

They said that they "leave the younger ones alone"... clearly not true.

Is ignoring the game itself part of the arsenal of Indoctrination Theorists?

Wut? I'm referencing the game not ignoring it.

You are ignoring parts you don't like because they don't fit with IT.

What part am I ignoring?

[bahamutomega]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

bahamutomega wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Its my understanding that those who believe the IT assume the Catalyst is lying.

Although if you have to assume that the game is either wrong or lying to you in order for your theory to work, then that should be a sign that something is wrong with it.

it's not an assumption.  it is actually pretty logical reasoning, if you figure the Reapers are fighting for survival.  it is a mistrust of the Catalyst.  assumption is the mother of all **** ups.

to quote one of the greatest characters BioWare ever created...  "how does it trust someone it hasn't met before?"

did you honestly trust the Illusive Man the first time you met him in ME2?  did you really think he was simply going to turn the Collector Base over to the Alliance?  oh, wait, he keeps it for himself - not for humanity, for his own personal gain.

yeah.  go ahead and keep trusting the Catalyst.  i will not believe a word it says.  i'm just trying to remove its purpose for existence, destroy its "solution."  it's only trying to survive.  no reason to lie to me.  really.

The Catalyst was merely an avatar through which Bioware could deliver exposition to the player - a way to tell them the Reapers' motivation and how the Crucible works. It makes no sense to introduce a new character right at the end and to then have this character give false information to the player. From a storytelling point of view thats just awful.

Plus, even if you don't believe the Catalyst the IT still has to assume that this is wrong:


If you take the endings as what they are (a pretty logical thing to do), then Shepard has indeed ended the Reaper threat. If you believe the IT is true, then Shepard hasn't ended the Reaper threat. 

The game directly and explicitly tells that player that the Reaper threat has been ended, by Shepard. Not that Shepard will go on to end the Reaper threat in DLC, or that someone else went on to end the Reaper threat, but that in what you just played and saw Shepard ended the Reaper threat. Therefore, its logical to assume that the endings were real and the IT is just that - a theory.

wow...  pretty sad that you actually believe BioWare.  your screenshot proves nothing aside from the fact that BioWare wants you to spend more money.

if we have truly ended the threat of the Reapers, why do we need more DLC?  logically speaking - we don't.

so according to everyone who is willing to believe that the "threat is ended", the threat isn't ended and more DLC is necessary.  there is still a threat and must be handled separately.

please.  really?  it is logical to accept the endings as "real"?  no.  it isn't. otherwise you wouldn't be arguing this.

[Hadeedak]

Since the stated plan was to have no DLC after the storyline, but instead further inserts (Take Back Omega, ect)... Ending the threat of the reapers does not preclude the possibility of more DLC for your next game.

And it's there. You may not like it, but the game tells you, breaking the fourth wall to do so, that Shepard ended the threat of the reapers. It's sort of hard to argue that it means something else.

[CuHnadian]

The idea is that Shepard is in the process of being indoctrinated. Please do your research before commenting on this sort of thing.

[Scam_poo]

The Invisible Commando wrote...
StarBrat could just order him to do whatever.

The problem here is that you don't understand the Indoctrination Theory. (no offense)

The whole ending scene is basically not anyone directly placing a halluzination in Shepard's mind, it's rather a fight between Shepard's indoctrinated part and the part that's still "aware" of what's going on (hence the Illusive Man vs Anderson thing)
So, there is no "just order him". It's a fight in Shepard's mind, and if you choose the right ending, he wins and wakes up.

[blooregard]

OP gives a bad name to the anti IT guys.

[DasGota]

...Why do people keep forgetting that Bioware is a business? And being said business, especially one owned by EA who poured millions into the creation of this game, would never intentionally do something to jeopardize their profit potential?

Seriously, let's step away from what happens inside the game for a moment and focus on outside events. This backlash has hurt (even if they wont admit it) Bioware and EA by proxy immensely. In both reputation and financial profit. This fiasco has been all over major gaming websites, has caused a price drop in a game that never should have seen one so early, and they are now doing everything they can to defend their "75 Perfect Reviews" against glaring criticism aimed at their heavily flawed ending to ME3.

If the Indoctrination Theory was true, and they did in fact have a "true ending" planned all along, we would have heard about it by now. Why? Because they're losing money. This backlash has been immense. The Extended Cut is in hopes to pacify the angry fan-base, that's all. Outside of some additional in-game DLC, they had no plans to change anything further. It's obvious by how taken aback they seem by the overwhelming anger gamers are displaying.

As kind as it is to say that "there's no way Bioware could mess it up this badly", well... yeah, they can. They're human, like the rest of us. Just about everyone has rushed a term paper, an assignment, a test, and suffered a poorer grade for it. Even if they're the top of the class, you bet with enough deadlines and pressure, anyone can crack. We saw it at the ending. Whether they ran out of time or resources, it's evident that it was a rushed product and they hoped we wouldn't notice.

Look, it's a great theory and fun to read about. However, the implications that they may have released a game without a true ending, one that had to be downloaded at that (screwing over anyone without a dedicated internet connection) is another huge debacle that Bioware can't afford right now. They messed up, and are hoping that the clarification in the Extended Cut will patch up sore relations.

Here's hoping it does just that.

[FatalX7.0]

irish07slasher wrote...

My head hurts just thinking about how this doesn't make sense to you

Let me sum this up really quickly so that we can move on and let this die: The IT theory assumes that the starkid is LYING

Thank you, have a good day

I thought...it was assuming that Star Jar isn't even real and is a hallucination.

[FatalX7.0]

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

They use every organic race as husks, because they are the perfect weapon: there is an unlimited supply (until your enemy is defeated), they are utterly loyal, they require no food or water, they will never break, and they are often terrifying for the opposing force to behold.

They said that they "leave the younger ones alone"... clearly not true.

Is ignoring the game itself part of the arsenal of Indoctrination Theorists?

Wut? I'm referencing the game not ignoring it.

You are ignoring parts you don't like because they don't fit with IT.

Yeah, he does that a lot.

[balance5050]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Yeah, he does that a lot.

LOL! Wut? I remember it being the other way around FatalX7.0:P

Modifié par balance5050, 13 mai 2012 - 02:13 .

[FatalX7.0]

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Yeah, he does that a lot.

LOL! Wut? I remember it being the other way around FatalX7.0:P

Of course you do.

I asked you several questions and responded to several of your posts.

You only responded to the few that you liked.

I even asked you three times why you weren't responding.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 13 mai 2012 - 02:19 .

[balance5050]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Yeah, he does that a lot.

LOL! Wut? I remember it being the other way around FatalX7.0:P

Of course you do.

I asked you several questions and responded to several of your posts.

You only responded to the few that you liked.

Nonono, I respond to everything.

And if I missed something it's cause someone already answered it.

Modifié par balance5050, 13 mai 2012 - 02:19 .

[BarrelDrago]

"i create the reaper"

"you want to destroy us"

contradiction.

[FatalX7.0]

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Yeah, he does that a lot.

LOL! Wut? I remember it being the other way around FatalX7.0:P

Of course you do.

I asked you several questions and responded to several of your posts.

You only responded to the few that you liked.

Nonono, I respond to everything.

And if I missed something it's cause someone already answered it.

You never answered why you kept assuming something about me in every one of your posts.

You never answered whether you were talking about me or my "chacter", whatever that is, or my Shepard.


Did my "chacter" believe in the ending at face value? My Shepard?

Me? Were you addressing me as my Shepard? Or addressing my character? My personality?

I do not know. So many things you just ignored. So many things that make no sense.
 
You pooface.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 13 mai 2012 - 02:23 .

[Calibrations Expert]

irish07slasher wrote...

My head hurts just thinking about how this doesn't make sense to you

Let me sum this up really quickly so that we can move on and let this die: The IT theory assumes that the starkid is LYING

Thank you, have a good day

I don't need some intricate, logically put, and obssesive theory to tell me the StarBrat was lying. IT or no IT: He's a load of bullsh*t.

[Deltakarma]

I still cant believe he explained the Reaper threat when Harbinger said it was pretty much inconceivable. Funny thing huh? A hologram/hallucination [both for the IT I guess?] of a child can explain something to a human that seems like it would take more than 14 lines of pretty much no dialogue wheel and control of the situation.

All you get to resolve it is a color wheel. Ending to a story told by a hologram/hallucination.

And reading is good. Go to the IT topic. You will get all your answers instead of typing something and getting mixed answers and stuff. All thanks to Sp-, I mean Internet Magic

[balance5050]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Yeah, he does that a lot.

LOL! Wut? I remember it being the other way around FatalX7.0:P

Of course you do.

I asked you several questions and responded to several of your posts.

You only responded to the few that you liked.

Nonono, I respond to everything.

And if I missed something it's cause someone already answered it.

You never answered why you kept assuming something about me in every one of your posts.

You never answered whether you were talking about me or my "chacter", whatever that is, or my Shepard.

The conversation was about how since MY Shepard did the Arrival DLC, that MY Shepard did MORE than your Shepard.

Then you said something to put words in my mouth saying that your Shepard was "wrong" or something or other.

I then replied that your shepard wasn't wrong just different, which didn't change the fact that  MY Shepard has done more and had more expereincces than your Shepard.

I hate to say it... but it's a ploy to get you to buy DLC, its shady as hell, but if you want the full Shepard experience, you going to want the Arrival. I mean, entire characters are DLC only.

My Shepard met Kasumi, Javik, Zaeed, etc. did yours?

Modifié par balance5050, 13 mai 2012 - 02:27 .

[FatalX7.0]

Deltakarma wrote...

I still cant believe he explained the Reaper threat when Harbinger said it was pretty much inconceivable. Funny thing huh? A hologram/hallucination [both for the IT I guess?] of a child can explain something to a human that seems like it would take more than 14 lines of pretty much no dialogue wheel and control of the situation.

All you get to resolve it is a color wheel. Ending to a story told by a hologram/hallucination.

And reading is good. Go to the IT topic. You will get all your answers instead of typing something and getting mixed answers and stuff. All thanks to Sp-, I mean Internet Magic

Ohhhh! That's the best kind! :3

[FatalX7.0]

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Yeah, he does that a lot.

LOL! Wut? I remember it being the other way around FatalX7.0:P

Of course you do.

I asked you several questions and responded to several of your posts.

You only responded to the few that you liked.

Nonono, I respond to everything.

And if I missed something it's cause someone already answered it.

You never answered why you kept assuming something about me in every one of your posts.

You never answered whether you were talking about me or my "chacter", whatever that is, or my Shepard.

The conversation was about how since MY Shepard did the Arrival DLC, that MY Shepard did MORE than your Shepard.

Then you said something to put words in my mouth saying that your Shepard was "wrong" or something or other.

I then replied that your shepard wasn't wrong just different, which didn't change the fact that  MY Shepard has done more and had more expereincces than your Shepard.

I hate to say it... but it's a ploy to get you to buy DLC, its shady as hell, but if you want the full Shepard experience, you going to want the Arrival. I mean, entire characters are DLC only.

I met Kasumi, Javik, and Zaeed etc. did yours?

You said your Shepard did all of that and would be able to wake up and keep playing.

My Shepard didn't. Looking at how you worded that entire post, my Shepard cannot wake up and keep playing.


Oh, no, I've talked about them being in my game, but they're not in my game.

So no, I met them, but I didn't meet them.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 13 mai 2012 - 02:29 .

[Hihoshi101]

...It's a trap...