Shadrach 88 wrote...
This inconsistency really irks me. The codex specifically points out that a Reaper destroyer is matched by a small group of cruisers. It also says that a Reaper has to reduce its barriers in order to land on a planet.
dreman9999 wrote...
That's only if there sheild is down...We can't make them do that and they can just throw swarms of Oculus at us.SoloPala wrote...
Their shields fail and a Sovy reaper is destroyed under 4 dreadnaught shots, so assuming they get just 1 shot off before return fire, they'd kill 9 Sovy's instantly if they had coordinated fire, second barrage would get 9 more, thats not counting all the cruisers and frigates also laying the hurt.
Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 12 mai 2012 - 05:57 .
Wulfram wrote...
SoloPala wrote...
Their shields fail and a Sovy reaper is destroyed under 4 dreadnaught shots, so assuming they get just 1 shot off before return fire, they'd kill 9 Sovy's instantly if they had coordinated fire, second barrage would get 9 more, thats not counting all the cruisers and frigates also laying the hurt.
I don't think the codex is intended to imply that it takes 4 dreadnought shots to kill a reaper, but rather the simultaneous and sustained fire of 4 dreadnoughts.
Modifié par SoloPala, 12 mai 2012 - 06:05 .
SoloPala wrote...
Basically everything about what we're shown, and what is said, states the reapers can die, and die in great numbers if taken on properly, and its completely out of line with what NPCs constantly say that we can't win.
The Angry One wrote...
Take note of the last part. They killed several Sovereigns, and at no point in the entry does it say that the dreadnoughts themselves were lost. In fact it may say the opposite as it implies Coronati jumped with the dreadnoughts, who definitely survives.
Though the following paragraph does mention "massive casualties" for the Turians, it also blames this on Reapers sending wave after wave of reinforcements through the relay.
"Several" is another vague term, the absolute lowest this can refer to is 3. So, Coronati killed at least 3 Sovereign Reapers with clever tactics. Possibly more.
Same entry:
The turians insist that Palaven is not lost--the battle has merely moved
to the ground. Reaper troop transports have dumped hordes of husk to
capture Palaven's inhabitants, but met with little success. Reaper
capital ships are destroying city after city. But much of the turian
fleet is still operable, and the citizenry is heavily armed. The turians
refuse to be intimidated.
Despite the losses, the Turians gave as good as they got, and their fleet was not only still operable after the initial attack, it lasted for at least a month defending Palaven, if not more. Depending on how much time passes in the game.
So what do we learn from this?
Hackett, facing a set amount of Reapers acting as a decoy force, with 3 fleets comprised of dreadnoughts, carriers, cruisers and frigates with thanix cannons could not even kill one Sovereign and, in his eagerness to flee the battle, sacrificed an entire fleet to assure his own safety.
Coronati, facing an endless stream of Reaper reinforcements with an unspecified number of fleets was able to use clever tactics and outmaneuver the Reapers to inflict significant casualties upon them, only being forced to retreat into a defensive position due to sheer numbers, and even then the Turian fleet kept battling toe-to-toe with the Reapers for a long while after this.
Conclusion: Hackett is either incompetent or indoctrinated, conventional victory is made impossible due to terrible leadership, not because the Reapers truly are unstoppable.
Wulfram wrote...
SoloPala wrote...
Basically everything about what we're shown, and what is said, states the reapers can die, and die in great numbers if taken on properly, and its completely out of line with what NPCs constantly say that we can't win.
Not really. We can kill reapers, but they can kill us faster. And there's more of them.
Wulfram wrote...
SoloPala wrote...
Basically everything about what we're shown, and what is said, states the reapers can die, and die in great numbers if taken on properly, and its completely out of line with what NPCs constantly say that we can't win.
Not really. We can kill reapers, but they can kill us faster. And there's more of them.
Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 12 mai 2012 - 06:14 .
Abraham_uk wrote...
Alternate conclusion
The Turians have the best fleet in the galaxy (except that of the Reaper fleet).
The Turians vessles are just stronger and more hard hitting that that of the Alliance.
Face it. The Turians are generally better fighters than humans.
Hackett isn't incompetent. His fleet is just primative compared to that of the Turians.
No wonder the Normandy was co-designed by surprise surprise. The Turians.
matthewmi wrote...
I normally like The Angry Ones posts but this one is too nitpicky it's a game no one is going to win any literary prizes for the codex. Besides what tactics are we talking about, the reapers arrived in a surprise attack an "overwhelming force" so Hackett was lucky to get away with any ships at all. If the game had an ending that lived up to player expectations many of these complaints would not rise up.
Modifié par SoloPala, 12 mai 2012 - 06:28 .
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Citation required.
matthewmi wrote...
I normally like The Angry Ones posts but this one is too nitpicky it's a game no one is going to win any literary prizes for the codex. Besides what tactics are we talking about, the reapers arrived in a surprise attack an "overwhelming force" so Hackett was lucky to get away with any ships at all. If the game had an ending that lived up to player expectations many of these complaints would not rise up.
Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
God, to all these people promoting how great and unbeatable Reapers are, I just sometimes want to say - why don't you just give up and die?
Wulfram wrote...
Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
God, to all these people promoting how great and unbeatable Reapers are, I just sometimes want to say - why don't you just give up and die?
Because we've got the Crucible?
Wulfram wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
Citation required.
http://social.biowar.../index/11762127
Has peoples best attempts to estimate them. Estimates vary wildly, but the smallest estimates are around 200. While total Council race Dreadnoughts add up to around 90.
Looking at the story told in the codex, we have "dozens" of capital class warships at Earth, while the Turians are getting trounced by "a seemingly endless line of Reaper ships". Meanwhile, the entry on the Fall of Thessia talks of "the Reapers' greater numbers"
The Night Mammoth wrote...
matthewmi wrote...
I normally like The Angry Ones posts but this one is too nitpicky it's a game no one is going to win any literary prizes for the codex. Besides what tactics are we talking about, the reapers arrived in a surprise attack an "overwhelming force" so Hackett was lucky to get away with any ships at all. If the game had an ending that lived up to player expectations many of these complaints would not rise up.
For the last time: it was not a surprise. Hackett had plenty of warning.
His major defeat whilst only getting away with some ships is part of the problem.
Wulfram wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
As a side note, the Alliance Military was actually one of the strongest in the galaxy due to the use of stealth vessels, Carriers and tactical flexibitly
The Turians have Carriers too. And the Salarians have stealth Dreadnoughts.hell Four alliance ships wer capable of deafting the entire Cerberus fleet.
Where do you get that from, and why should it be impressive? They're just Cerberus.
matthewmi wrote...
Well what tactic works when several dozen or more reaper ships arrive and instantly start blasting away at your ships. Thanix cannons are strong but if you don't have time to fire them or can't regroup due to ever greater numbers coming through the relay it might be a problem.
Plus we don't see any of the Arcturus battle were reapers blocking access to the relays out of the system etc...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
matthewmi wrote...
Well what tactic works when several dozen or more reaper ships arrive and instantly start blasting away at your ships. Thanix cannons are strong but if you don't have time to fire them or can't regroup due to ever greater numbers coming through the relay it might be a problem.
Then that's Hackett's fault. He had warning. His inability to prepare in the right way cost everyone.Plus we don't see any of the Arcturus battle were reapers blocking access to the relays out of the system etc...
They weren't.
matthewmi wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...
matthewmi wrote...
Well what tactic works when several dozen or more reaper ships arrive and instantly start blasting away at your ships. Thanix cannons are strong but if you don't have time to fire them or can't regroup due to ever greater numbers coming through the relay it might be a problem.
Then that's Hackett's fault. He had warning. His inability to prepare in the right way cost everyone.Plus we don't see any of the Arcturus battle were reapers blocking access to the relays out of the system etc...
They weren't.
How should he have prepared he is under the control of the Alliance military board so they have budget power, what tactic would you use?
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