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[Anjeel]

[quote]napushenko wrote...



Dont forget that Harbinger (the main antagonist of the previous installment) makes a cameo appearance to shoot a beam of artistic integrity at you and then flies off.



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this is so funny !  
loved it.

and wont answer any of your points above because i dont wanna repeat myself. 
game - great. 
ending - sucks.
war assets > resource mining/collecting. same s h i t 

strong nine. for me. 
anyone who has it below 7 at least is a troll because he cant objectively look at the game. worst games ever have ratings of 4-5.  you telling me this have rating as deer hunting or barbie dances with you or something like that. 




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Perhaps you should reread my response to you as you will find that I scored the game a 5/10 and have a good amount of reasoning why

Modifié par Anjeel, 13 mai 2012 - 05:28 .

[DaJe]

crazyrabbits wrote...

napushenko wrote...

I personally cant stand it. Its a superb game, better then any in the series imo till that last couple of minutes. 3 point fckng 8.  And some things i read in reviews were so unthrutfull it hurts.

I'd say the game is incapable of getting a 10, or a 9, or an 8. Even putting aside the ending, there's so much wrong with the gameplay and story that it's difficult to understand how anyone could have botched this as bad as BW did. As per a list I once wrote out for another topic, the problems include:

- Confusing and illogical journal system that doesn't update with quest item procurement
- Shepard eavesdrops on everyone in the Citadel; solves their problems for them...uh, character development?
- War Assets mean nothing in terms of additional content or ending changes
- EMS is poorly explained, has no bearing on final mission (beyond a couple alternate cutscenes)
- 6 N7 missions (all using horde mode maps) compared to ME2's 19 N7 missions
- Fetch quests are nothing more than scanning a planet and taking the items back to the Citadel
- Multiplayer mode has direct impact on single player campaign (is needed for "best" Destroy ending)
- Reaper attacks during exploration are more annoying than anything
- New characters are largely useless and have no bearing on the plot (Kai Leng, Vega, Traynor, Cortez)
- bizarre running animations (Anderson, fleeing citizens on Earth, child in dream sequences)
- general bugs (clipping issues, holes in Normandy, disappearing enemies)
- All ME2 characters sidelined and relegated to single mission
- Multiple ME2 characters get lame resolutions (Zaeed, Jacob, Kasumi, Samara, Kelly)
- EDI gets hyper-sexualized, plus cameltoe
- Most ME2 romances get terrible resolutions, amount to a couple extra lines of dialogue (Jacob, Jack, Thane)
- Kai Leng is pathetically written, has lame comebacks, looks like Asian Nightwing
- Tali's face seen as photoshopped picture taken from a stock image gallery; fanart widely believed to be better
- Diana Allers character mostly pointless; did someone at Bioware owe Jessica Chobot a favor?
- Cerberus goes from 150 personnel to the Empire from Star Wars for no good reason
- TIM goes from well-intentioned extremist to guy who will sell humanity out for power...nice.
- Citadel is attacked and controlled offscreen by Reapers...is everyone there dead? Evacuated? Resolution!
- Citadel Defense Force is completely pointless
- Lair of the Shadow Broker effectively means nothing to the plot
- Arrival means nothing to the plot
- Mass Effect 2 final decision (Collector Base) has no bearing on ME3 plot; doesn't matter what you picked
- the only difference between saving/not saving the council is 30 War Asset points
- Final mission is just horde mode in single-player

Don't forget to mention that the final fight against a Reaper is one of the most stupid and gamey moments in the franchise. So the Reaper apparently intentionally makes a point for missing the only two threats to him which are large fragile trucks with giant rockets for like 10 minutes, while hitting everything arround the trucks standing in the middle of the street. W T F?

Yeah, that's how you create tension and excitement, by making the enemy retarded and making it over obvious that you are just playing a game for children.

[StElmo]

napushenko wrote...

Mass Effect 3 has 3.8 rating on metacritic. 3.8 ! 
Does anyone agree with that and why ? I personally cant stand it. Its a superb game, better then any in the series imo till that last couple of minutes. 3 point fckng 8.  And some things i read in reviews were so unthrutfull it hurts. 

What rating would you give it ? Its a strong nine in my opinion, but i just gave it 10 to try & counter these 1 rating trolls 

It deserves a 5.5/10. Not a 3.8. There are a lot of improvements, but many many bad parts.

Playable, but not worth recommending to anyone.

[Sdrol117]

DaJe wrote...

crazyrabbits wrote...

napushenko wrote...

I personally cant stand it. Its a superb game, better then any in the series imo till that last couple of minutes. 3 point fckng 8.  And some things i read in reviews were so unthrutfull it hurts.

I'd say the game is incapable of getting a 10, or a 9, or an 8. Even putting aside the ending, there's so much wrong with the gameplay and story that it's difficult to understand how anyone could have botched this as bad as BW did. As per a list I once wrote out for another topic, the problems include:

- Confusing and illogical journal system that doesn't update with quest item procurement
- Shepard eavesdrops on everyone in the Citadel; solves their problems for them...uh, character development?
- War Assets mean nothing in terms of additional content or ending changes
- EMS is poorly explained, has no bearing on final mission (beyond a couple alternate cutscenes)
- 6 N7 missions (all using horde mode maps) compared to ME2's 19 N7 missions
- Fetch quests are nothing more than scanning a planet and taking the items back to the Citadel
- Multiplayer mode has direct impact on single player campaign (is needed for "best" Destroy ending)
- Reaper attacks during exploration are more annoying than anything
- New characters are largely useless and have no bearing on the plot (Kai Leng, Vega, Traynor, Cortez)
- bizarre running animations (Anderson, fleeing citizens on Earth, child in dream sequences)
- general bugs (clipping issues, holes in Normandy, disappearing enemies)
- All ME2 characters sidelined and relegated to single mission
- Multiple ME2 characters get lame resolutions (Zaeed, Jacob, Kasumi, Samara, Kelly)
- EDI gets hyper-sexualized, plus cameltoe
- Most ME2 romances get terrible resolutions, amount to a couple extra lines of dialogue (Jacob, Jack, Thane)
- Kai Leng is pathetically written, has lame comebacks, looks like Asian Nightwing
- Tali's face seen as photoshopped picture taken from a stock image gallery; fanart widely believed to be better
- Diana Allers character mostly pointless; did someone at Bioware owe Jessica Chobot a favor?
- Cerberus goes from 150 personnel to the Empire from Star Wars for no good reason
- TIM goes from well-intentioned extremist to guy who will sell humanity out for power...nice.
- Citadel is attacked and controlled offscreen by Reapers...is everyone there dead? Evacuated? Resolution!
- Citadel Defense Force is completely pointless
- Lair of the Shadow Broker effectively means nothing to the plot
- Arrival means nothing to the plot
- Mass Effect 2 final decision (Collector Base) has no bearing on ME3 plot; doesn't matter what you picked
- the only difference between saving/not saving the council is 30 War Asset points
- Final mission is just horde mode in single-player

Don't forget to mention that the final fight against a Reaper is one of the most stupid and gamey moments in the franchise. So the Reaper apparently intentionally makes a point for missing the only two threats to him which are large fragile trucks with giant rockets for like 10 minutes, while hitting everything arround the trucks standing in the middle of the street. W T F?

Yeah, that's how you create tension and excitement, by making the enemy retarded and making it over obvious that you are just playing a game for children.

Also, the rannoch boss fight was terrible as well. This game is NOT great. Get your heads out of the clouds, people.

[Mole267]

My PERSONAL rating for ME3... 7.5 or 8 out of 10. The majority of the game is GREAT, worthy of at least a 9/10 but then the ending just ruins it all, and that score becomes more like an 8/10 for me.

But no, it doesn't deserve a 3.8 rating. Hopefully it'll make EA and BioWare listen tho.

There are lots of reasons why ME3's score on metacritic is being docked down so much... Maybe it has to do with Jessica Chocobo being in the game with so much attention to detail on her character model, maybe it has something to do with Tali's half-assed picture, maybe it has something to do with how the ENDING became completely convoluted, full of plot holes, and betrayed an entire trilogy in 15 minutes. I don't think it deserves such a low user rating, but I'm just saying there are REASONS why it has such a low rating.

[napushenko]

i think its too much giving -1 just because we didnt have holstering weapons. i see what youre getting at, but still, especially cause its known that reviewers and gamers alike dont use full 1-10 rating ladder.
i mean, 9 is a major difference from 10, as its 8 from 9. so, giving a -1 to the game just for non holstering and some face import problem (i didnt had that problem btw, but i just got it a week ago so its solved in patch i guess)... seems very nitpicky and totally minor issue.

[napushenko]

Mole267 wrote...

My PERSONAL rating for ME3... 7.5 or 8 out of 10. The majority of the game is GREAT, worthy of at least a 9/10 but then the ending just ruins it all, and that score becomes more like an 8/10 for me.

But no, it doesn't deserve a 3.8 rating. Hopefully it'll make EA and BioWare listen tho.

There are lots of reasons why ME3's score on metacritic is being docked down so much... Maybe it has to do with Jessica Chocobo being in the game with so much attention to detail on her character model, maybe it has something to do with Tali's half-assed picture, maybe it has something to do with how the ENDING became completely convoluted, full of plot holes, and betrayed an entire trilogy in 15 minutes. I don't think it deserves such a low user rating, but I'm just saying there are REASONS why it has such a low rating.

everything you listed except the ending are totally whiny ass complaints in my opinion.  chobot was in the game and she was detailed, so what ? someone dont like her and it ruined entire game for her and omgbioware ea ign sucks never will buy it sounds so whiny and entitled it hurts actually. same thing with talis picture. 

im not saying you are whiny, just hypothetically. 

[abaris]

napushenko wrote...

i think its too much giving -1 just because we didnt have holstering weapons. i see what youre getting at, but still, especially cause its known that reviewers and gamers alike dont use full 1-10 rating ladder.
i mean, 9 is a major difference from 10, as its 8 from 9. so, giving a -1 to the game just for non holstering and some face import problem (i didnt had that problem btw, but i just got it a week ago so its solved in patch i guess)... seems very nitpicky and totally minor issue.

Before you blame review bombers, you really should look at previous franchises by Bioware and other developers. Most major games don't feature that obious gap between professional critics and user ratings.

So there is obviously something going on. But not in the way you seem to insinuate, since DAO's, ME1's and ME2's ratings are pretty much in accordance with professional reviewers. They obviously dropped the ball with DAII and ME3 when it came to their original fanbase and didn't manage to attract enough of a new audience to make up for that loss.

[napushenko]

why is no one saying something good about this game ? they actually improved on LOT of stuff here and i dont think i saw any post giving them props for combat or surroundings or much more character dialogue. those are major things, not holstering weapons or jessica chobots ass in my ship

[Redstar6]

napushenko wrote...

why is no one saying something good about this game ? they actually improved on LOT of stuff here and i dont think i saw any post giving them props for combat or surroundings or much more character dialogue. those are major things, not holstering weapons or jessica chobots ass in my ship

I understand where your comming from but those dont make a game a 8/10 to me. Understand that there is no real way to review anything as they are all opinions from diffrent people. Calling people whiney yet wanting justification on your points only make you a hypocrite. I dropped my personal score from an 8 to a 5 because Casey Molynuex decided to blatenly lie to overhype the game. You cant talk about how good a cake is then give someone a cookie. Sure the cookie is nice and all but its not the cake you promised. 

[napushenko]

there is, and some opinions about the game are quantifiable. like, me3 has better graphics then me1. you may like me1 graphics more but that doesnt make it true just because of that.
i liked a lot of stuff here. how teammates move through the ship is way better then them just standing in one spot through whole game. how there is much more npc and follower dialogue.
and a lot of other stuff. if you dont take them into account youre not objective at all if youre not looking at both flaws & cons at the same time.
and this game by that account, dont deserve rating 5.

and it makes you whiny if you give it a 5 rating just because you didnt like some virtual photo at the end which may or may not be in your playthrough and overlook major things like graphics, surroundings, combat etc or take them for granted.

you may not like it, but its true.
hypothetically speaking, ofcourse.

[Mole267]

napushenko wrote...

Mole267 wrote...

My PERSONAL rating for ME3... 7.5 or 8 out of 10. The majority of the game is GREAT, worthy of at least a 9/10 but then the ending just ruins it all, and that score becomes more like an 8/10 for me.

But no, it doesn't deserve a 3.8 rating. Hopefully it'll make EA and BioWare listen tho.

There are lots of reasons why ME3's score on metacritic is being docked down so much... Maybe it has to do with Jessica Chocobo being in the game with so much attention to detail on her character model, maybe it has something to do with Tali's half-assed picture, maybe it has something to do with how the ENDING became completely convoluted, full of plot holes, and betrayed an entire trilogy in 15 minutes. I don't think it deserves such a low user rating, but I'm just saying there are REASONS why it has such a low rating.

everything you listed except the ending are totally whiny ass complaints in my opinion.  chobot was in the game and she was detailed, so what ? someone dont like her and it ruined entire game for her and omgbioware ea ign sucks never will buy it sounds so whiny and entitled it hurts actually. same thing with talis picture. 

im not saying you are whiny, just hypothetically. 

So you're okay with Tali's un-masked picture being a photoshopped stock photo you can find on Google, while they put so much attention to detail on Jessica Chobo's character?

oookay. My opinion differs from yours.

[napushenko]

and whats that about casey ? dont know about it, youre probably way more invested in the series then i am, i didnt read much pre-release stuff altough i loved me1 & me 2 and played them when it got out.
but even if youre invested more then me in those characters and if something they done really hurts, it still doesnt make it right giving the game a 5.

[SalsaDMA]

napushenko wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Apfelweinbrauer wrote...
es.

People individually deciding to give the game a crappy rating is not bombing, it's just people utilizing their ability to make their opinion noticed.

thats being a spoiled brattish troll. especially if their opinion is wrong. and it is, because i said so. me & profesional reviewers. 

Your quotes are out of order. Forum software acting up again I guess.

Your response makes no sense, though. Unless you ment to be sarcastic.

Someone Utilizing their ability to make their personal opinion heard is not being "a spoiled bratish troll" just because you happen to disagree with the opinion.

Difference of opinions: Learn to accept them.

Modifié par SalsaDMA, 13 mai 2012 - 06:42 .

[napushenko]

Mole267 wrote...

So you're okay with Tali's un-masked picture being a photoshopped stock photo you can find on Google, while they put so much attention to detail on Jessica Chobo's character?

oookay. My opinion differs from yours.

Dont put words in my mouth please. And no, im not ok with it honestly but im not gonna rate the game 1 because of it.. And just because they put detail on something other then the character you loved is not a fault of character they put detail on, unless they specifically stated it. 

[FoggyFishburne]

Honestly, no it doesn't. But I completely understand why it has such a low score and I even agree with it to a certain extent. The raping that occured at the end was just retarded and frankly, an insult to us, the players. And after the credits we get a screen, prompting us to buy more DLCs... That's just disrespectful. I defended BioWare for DA2, and I still do. But I can't help but feel that this might be the beginning of the end for my favorite video game developer.

This **** wouldn't fly 10 years ago...

Modifié par FoggyFishburne, 13 mai 2012 - 06:55 .

[Mole267]

napushenko wrote...

Mole267 wrote...

So you're okay with Tali's un-masked picture being a photoshopped stock photo you can find on Google, while they put so much attention to detail on Jessica Chobo's character?

oookay. My opinion differs from yours.

Dont put words in my mouth please. And no, im not ok with it honestly but im not gonna rate the game 1 because of it.. And just because they put detail on something other then the character you loved is not a fault of character they put detail on, unless they specifically stated it. 

See I wouldn't vote it a 1 either because of that... Not even a 5 or a 6 because of it.

The basic fact is, ME3 is a GREAT game. BioWare did a GREAT job on it. But they clearly compromised aspects of it, and it hurt the overall "integrity" of the game. My personal honest rating, 7 or 8 out of 10.

[Raizo]

napushenko wrote...

why is no one saying something good about this game ? they actually improved on LOT of stuff here and i dont think i saw any post giving them props for combat or surroundings or much more character dialogue. those are major things, not holstering weapons or jessica chobots ass in my ship

The funny thing about ME3 is that Bioware took the time to improve a lot of the complainst that people had about ME2 ( my personal favourite game in the trilogy and make no mistake ME2 had quite a large number of flaws ) and yet despite these improvements ME3 still feels like an inferior game to ME2. I personally don't understand the math or the logic behind it but I honestly prefer ME2 to ME3. For every step forward that Bioware made from Me2 they seemed to have taken a step or two backwards, for everything that they fixed from ME2 they ended up breaking something viatal to the ME formula. ME3 has the makings of a good game but it i snot a great game. The reason why you noone is saying good things about ME3 is because it is a very flawed game right down to it's core.

[napushenko]

raizo, please dont make statements like flawed game down to its core just because you feel like it.
it is in no way flawed to its core and those minor complaints people are having like chobot,talis picture, holstering are in a way indicative of that. grasping at the straws.
the ending was atrocious though.

so, why are people disliking this game so much ? nostalgy glasses or internet trollwhine complex. you cant deny it exists.

what is vital to the me formula btw ?

[abaris]

napushenko wrote...

why is no one saying something good about this game ? they actually improved on LOT of stuff here and i dont think i saw any post giving them props for combat or surroundings or much more character dialogue. those are major things, not holstering weapons or jessica chobots ass in my ship

So let's look at the improvements. They're almost exclusively combat improvements.

I can't agree with dialogues, since you're taking the passenger seat for most of the ride with one or two breaks between lines and lines of automated textwalls. Surroundings aren't that improved either. They simply darkened the whole thing in order to hide blurry textures, which are still a major problem on the PC. Might be better on the console since TV resolutions are usually more forgiving than PC screens.

I still maintain I would rate it between 6 or 7, not 3.8, but it's certainly not the gaming equivalent of the second coming.

[Swordfishtrombone]

napushenko wrote...

Swordfishtrombone wrote...

I'd give the game a solid 7 - if the ending wasn't so attrociously bad, it'd be an 8, I think.



Second, the low number of proper side quests, and the high number of fed-ex "quests".

Third, the linearity of the story, and the railroading; despite some parts of the game being quite beautifully done and engaging (thinking of Tuchanka, especially), what felt like major decisions from earlier games didn't turn out to have almost any effect on the story of ME3. Especially the railroading with the rachni felt hamfisted, and broke that all-important illusion of playing a fairly open world with a variety of meaningful choises to make.


Thus the 7.

say what ? no effect from earlier games ? you insane ? me 1 didnt have 10 % of storyline implications on me2 , as me 1 & 2 have on me 3.  geth - quarians. mordin lives dies based on actions you did in me 1 and me 2. almost everything depended on your actions from past games. even minor characters show up if they arent dead and they have awareness of what you did in their quests. hell, you couldnt even play it without importing saved game because of repercussions. that speaks to me that your actions have consequences here. 

some points are ok but downright lies are disgusting. 

Sure there were decisions that did make a difference - however, there were MAJOR decisions that we were led to expect would have massive effects, that turned out to have almost no effect. Like whether or not you killed the Rachni queen, and whether or not you saved the collector base  or destroyed it.

Many of the other decisions cause minor changes in detail, but no variation in the main plot. I tried playing a non-imported game just to see some differences, and there were differences, but they seemed little more than cosmetic. If Jack, for example, isn't alive in ME3, Jack's role in the relevant quest is taken over by a throw-away character - the quest itself isn't changed in any way, aside from the dialogue, and a small difference at a scene at the end of the quest.

What I'm talking about is having your choises effect the route the story takes. A good example of how this can be done is in DA:O, where at different points, you can side with different groups, and your choises end up affecting what forces you fight with in the end, how you are perceived by your companions, and some choises can lead to companions leaving you; how you treat a few companions will also affect the outcomes for their personal fortunes in the game, and after, in the epilogue.

While the choises don't change the main elements of the story (get allies, cure Arl Eamon, challenge loghain, defeat the darkspawn), within those elements, your choises actually make for quite a few permutations and ultimate outcomes for all involved.

THAT's how it's done, and ME3 just doesn't get there.

And "Outright lies"? Come on now. Maybe I could have expressed myself more clearly in my post, but accusing me of intentional deception is a bit much, don't you think?

[Mole267]

btw how dare they classify ME3's genre as "role-playing" on metacritic... ME3's a third-person shooter.

[Noblewolf]

They must have been paidoff with cupcakes...

[napushenko]

tomb raider is third person shooter. mass effect 3 is a role playing game.
learn your games.

- well, i heard that fake rachni queen betrays you and kills some engineers on crucible minimizing your assets by a couple of hundred points if you take her with you. also there is much dialogue with legion about collector base and it counts in geth - quarian plot, so, dont know whats the problem except they are not of magnitude you imagined.

how come mass effect dont get there if lets say mordin can stay alive only if you killed wrex in first game and destroy the cure project in second one ? il say thats a major consequence.
quarians-geth have share of them too.