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[cerberus1701]

...between her and Kaiden, she'd make the far better Spectre. Yes, I know in both cases the decision is just a manipulation tactic on the part of Udina.

Truth is though, that Kaiden has always been more concerned with appearances and his personal code than much else. And while that sounds dandy on paper, in reality a Spectre is basically about doing the jobs that need doing while the Council can shrug and turn away.

It's about doing the galaxy's dirty work.

Ashley could do it. I don't think Kaiden could last 3 missions without feeling so bad about the personal sacrifices that he made that he quit or ate a bullet.

[CrutchCricket]

lol Carth 2.0?

On a more serious note I'm not sure Ashley would be good either. She's too much of an Aliiance girl, too little of the "big picture". Then there's her dog speech... or was it bear?

But yeah she might be better comparatively.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 12 mai 2012 - 03:02 .

[PhoenixAeon]

I agree Ashley seems Human/Alliance focused, a poor candidate for a Spectre.

[Apathy1989]

Yeah they are both poor choices. Ash is human centric, Kaiden is too much of a pansy to do anything vaguely renegade.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Saren, Nihilus and Vasir were all pretty renegade and I find renegade Shep more believable as a Spectre than paragon Shep. So yeah I'd agree Ashley would make a better Spectre than Kaidan because she's more renegade.

[CptData]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

Saren, Nihilus and Vasir were all pretty renegade and I find renegade Shep more believable as a Spectre than paragon Shep. So yeah I'd agree Ashley would make a better Spectre than Kaidan because she's more renegade.

She's a realist. Somewhere between naive!paragon (like Shepard sometimes) and unneccessary cruel (renegade Shepard in some situations of ME2).

And I don't think Ash is a better / worse Spectre than Kaidan. Kaidan is a more diplomatic dude and do the job with as little blood as possible. That's needed sometimes, remember?
Ash may pick up her gun and fight her way through sh*t. That's also needed, especially in ME3.
Both may do their jobs on the long run, they simply take different routes.

[KevTheGamer]

In most cases Ashley > Kaiden

[Applepie_Svk]

cerberus1701 wrote...

...between her and Kaiden, she'd make the far better Spectre. Yes, I know in both cases the decision is just a manipulation tactic on the part of Udina.

Truth is though, that Kaiden has always been more concerned with appearances and his personal code than much else. And while that sounds dandy on paper, in reality a Spectre is basically about doing the jobs that need doing while the Council can shrug and turn away.

It's about doing the galaxy's dirty work.

Ashley could do it. I don't think Kaiden could last 3 missions without feeling so bad about the personal sacrifices that he made that he quit or ate a bullet.

I hate both VS ... everytime after citadel they are going to EFFORTS

[Kaica]

Seriously guys.

Kaidan, not Kaiden.

I'm pretty sure you'd get some serious whining from him, then he'd ask if you guys are good again. And when an opportunity came, he'd whine some more about the time you didn't remember his name correctly.

I can't take his whining anymore, so please. Kaidan.

[Manton-X2]

You know, I really hated Ashley as a character until a few weeks ago when we had a discussion about her on the storyline forum and I reconsidered some of my thoughts. I started to think of the ME world from her perspective a bit more and I realized that I don't really hate the character, I just don't like her very much as "a person".

But more, what I think kind of makes me push her to the side is that she just may have the worst instincts of any character in the game; besides the council members. Seriously, imagine the ME universe if you followed her instincts and inclinations. I'm not sure you make it out of ME ... I know for sure you don't make it out of ME2 and, as for Humanity, we'd be a Human-form reaper helping cull the rest of the galaxy by now. Same with ME3.

So what does it say about Alenko that I'm *still* glad I left him to kiss a nuke on Virmire? In my eyes, he'd have made a horrible Spectre .. but then, that Spectre appointment wasn't about deserving or earning it anyway.

[Ageless Face]

See it as Kaidan being Paragon Shepard, Ashley is more for renegade Shepard. Both the moralities got the job done, sometimes Paragon made the right choices, sometimes the renegade did things better.

[dublin omega 223]

I disagree with Ashley's racism, she would be a horrible choice for a Spectre. And I'm one of the few who did not find Kaiden boring in the ME series.

Modifié par dublin omega 223, 14 mai 2012 - 03:48 .

[Skullheart]

Racism isn't a problem for Spectres, just look at Saren. He was racist againt humans and the Council didn't care much.

My main problem about Ash and Kaidan being a Spectre are their merits, being Shepard sidekick isn't enough to be nominated as a Spectre.

[SlottsMachine]

CrutchCricket wrote...

 Then there's her dog speech... or was it bear?

She was right though. 

"The cruel and unfortunate truth is that, while Earth is attacked it will leave us more time to regroup and organize our defenses." Asari Councillor

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 14 mai 2012 - 04:42 .

[TobiTobsen]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

 Then there's her dog speech... or was it bear?

She was right though. 

"The cruel and unfortunate truth is that, while Earth is attacked it will leave us more time to regroup and organize our defenses." Asari Councillor

Word. The council sent their dog (humanity) at the bear and ran. Ash knew it all along:P

[CptData]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

 Then there's her dog speech... or was it bear?

She was right though. 

"The cruel and unfortunate truth is that, while Earth is attacked it will leave us more time to regroup and organize our defenses." Asari Councillor

If you check back to ME1, Ashley and Kaidan seem to be the series' prophets. Everything they say did happen in the long run. <_<

And ppl hate them for that.

[Bocks]

Ashley is mentally unstable. Kaidan is known to have commanded troops, has a clear focus on the mission AND DOESN'T WEAR MAKEUP.

[Manton-X2]

TobiTobsen wrote...

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...
She was right though. 

"The cruel and unfortunate truth is that, while Earth is attacked it will leave us more time to regroup and organize our defenses." Asari Councillor

Word. The council sent their dog (humanity) at the bear and ran. Ash knew it all along:P

Actually, only in the little picture sense which is why Ashley is pretty much someone to hand a gun to and ignore almost anything she says.  Her instinct is to the narrow focus.  She never stands back and looks at the big picture and that's why her instincts and decisions are so poor.  It's not like that's some great revelation ... that whole "dog/bear" speech is common sense.  In game context, even a couple soldiers guarding a door for the entire game get that.

[Nefla]

I think Kaidan would do fine actually. My pure paragon Shepard was a lot like Kaidan and Kaidan was the one who shot Udina.

[Barquiel]

TobiTobsen wrote...

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

 Then there's her dog speech... or was it bear?

She was right though. 

"The cruel and unfortunate truth is that, while Earth is attacked it will leave us more time to regroup and organize our defenses." Asari Councillor

Word. The council sent their dog (humanity) at the bear and ran. Ash knew it all along:P

The turians abandoned Palaven to focus on the attack on Earth. The asari gave you their best ships despite their problems on Thessia.

I think she has been proven wrong.

[Nefla]

Barquiel wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

 Then there's her dog speech... or was it bear?

She was right though. 

"The cruel and unfortunate truth is that, while Earth is attacked it will leave us more time to regroup and organize our defenses." Asari Councillor

Word. The council sent their dog (humanity) at the bear and ran. Ash knew it all along:P

The turians abandoned Palaven to focus on the attack on Earth. The asari gave you their best ships despite their problems on Thessia.

I think she has been proven wrong.

Everyone backed the alliance in the end because the crucible was everyone's last hope. Defending their own borders had proven futile.

[Manton-X2]

Nefla wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

The turians abandoned Palaven to focus on the attack on Earth. The asari gave you their best ships despite their problems on Thessia.

I think she has been proven wrong.

Everyone backed the alliance in the end because the crucible was everyone's last hope. Defending their own borders had proven futile.

The thing is, she was only right in the narrowest sense.  What's the very first thing that happens after the council declines to send their ships to Earth?  The Turian Councilor comes to you, gives you a way to start getting exactly what you want (even if it helps his people too) and then tells you that the Council has upheld your spectre status and given you access to all of your Spectre resources.  Then, the entire time that their people are being killed by the millions they keep sending you more and more resources; fleets, techs, materials and their people even die for you to buy you a little more time or a little better position on the battle field.

How much insight does it take to say that if the US and British mainlands were to be attacked simultaneously by a superior force, that the US would pull back the vast majority of its fleets and soldiers to protect its own country and citizens?  It doesn't matter how good our friendship is with England.  The insight would be in realizing that if the US could halt the immediate threat and could free resources, the first place they'd go would be to counter-attack in England.  That's the part she never sees.

[EricHVela]

With the OP: I agree that she's a better Spectre candidate than Kaidan. Not only that, but Udina would favor her stance on "aliens" as well.

[Ecrulis]

I like Ash's character, I actually think shes an interesting VS to put opposite of a more paragon/paragade shepard, However had she survived Virmire for my cannon shep (not full blown renegade, but up there) she would absolutely LOATHE Ashley in ME3.