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phoenix would be a prothean...im positive

Débuté par landylan , mai 12 2012 04:22

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:18

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XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Distilled Poison wrote...

Read my post, quoted repeatedly throughout this page.

Protheans can not be integrated without breaking lore.

Javik's existence does not break lore.


Still sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LALALALALA I can't hear you!" ?

Everything you just said was wrong.

#1 It WAS lore that Protheans were extinct, only the Collectors were the last of the Protheans and they were hardly Protheans.

#2 Javik suddenly pops up which broke (but not really) the lore of the first two games.

#3 BioWare can use the same writing techniques they used to justify Javik to justify more Protheans for MP.


exactly

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:20

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holdenagincourt wrote...

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One Prothean survived on one planet. I doubt Eden Prime was the only planet with the idea to put Protheans in stasis for the next cycle.


They didn't plan to put them into stasis until the next cycle i.e. for 50,000 years. Their goal was to keep a sustainable population in stasis for only a century or two, until the Reapers concluded their genocide was complete and returned to dark space. Then the VI would bring them out of stasis and they could repopulate the galaxy while formulating ways to destroy the Reapers. Javik was unusual (most likely unique) in that the software in that particular facility malfunctioned, leaving him in stasis until he was manually reanimated by the next cycle of intelligent life.


In other words: Any other Prothean sites would have self-awoke milennia before the events of ME3 and they would have already warned all races of the reapers AND probably would have actually been prepared for the reaper invasion.

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:22

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And as usual, you're still ignoring what I say and repeating the same refuted crap. Remind me again, how many courses of Public Speaking did you take?

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:25

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Distilled Poison wrote...

And as usual, you're still ignoring what I say and repeating the same refuted crap. Remind me again, how many courses of Public Speaking did you take?


Doesn't matter how many courses or what college degrees I have. I've learned that just stating that is enough to constitute as a joke on the internet because nobody takes it seriously. But you should take that thrashing I gave you in the other thread seriously because I can do it again.

If you don't recall people were laughing at you by the end of it.

And like I told you in that thread. Simply saying "I've refuted that claim" doesn't make something "refuted" or did you not play Mass Effect and missed the famous "Reapers? We've dismissed that claim." line?

:blink:

Because as of now you are just saying, "Protheans? I've refuted that claim!"
And you're in danger of looking like a jack-ass. Like a certain someone in a certain video game. :whistle:

“Ah, yes, ‘Reapers’. The immortal race of sentient starships allegedly waiting in dark space. We have dismissed this claim.”

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#105
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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:27

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landylan wrote...

the PROTHEAN DLC is called from ashes. phoenix is an appropriate name bc the protheans would be rising again. anyone agree? disagree? i hope that dlc is real

i forgot to mention for people who dont know. phoenix rises from ashes


Would be a possibility, unfortunately it would just eff the lore to Hell and back since BioWare is trying to keep the co-op grounded in the game's canon. Although the "Thanix Missiles" kinda prove they don't pay attention to their own established lore... since it's supposed to be Javelin missiles...

Back on topic though: Personally, I think it's Cerberus defectors. Phoenix being a name for their new organization (kind of a way to get back on track to Cerberus' original goals as a pro-human/non-Reaper aligned organization).

Though this is just my opinion on the matter. We have to wait and see.

Modifié par Kyerea, 12 mai 2012 - 07:32 .

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:33

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XxTaLoNxX- Internet badass. Gives verbal "thrashings," ignores counter posts, spams image macros, then declares himself right. Yup, you fit every prerequisite for keyboard warrior.

As usual, you refuse to address my arguments. They're in here, feel free to quote and address them if you ever want anyone other than praelster93 to take you seriously. From now on I'm ignoring any of your posts that don't have my points quoted in them, because frankly, the novelty of your "Advanced Debate III" post has worn off. At least your posts were entertaining, if not informative.

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:34

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XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Distilled Poison wrote...

Read my post, quoted repeatedly throughout this page.

Protheans can not be integrated without breaking lore.

Javik's existence does not break lore.


Still sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LALALALALA I can't hear you!" ?

Everything you just said was wrong.

#1 It WAS lore that Protheans were extinct, only the Collectors were the last of the Protheans and they were hardly Protheans.

#2 Javik suddenly pops up which broke (but not really) the lore of the first two games.

#3 BioWare can use the same writing techniques they used to justify Javik to justify more Protheans for MP.

That's three fairly simple concepts which you can't seem to grasp. Which doesn't surprise me. For some reason. <_<


#1 It still is lore that Protheans are extinct.

#2 It was established in the very first game that some protheans went into a cryogenic hibernation in secret alcoves created by the Protheans and kept off the radar in case of a war (like teir extinction). It is probable that one or two of these pods would continue to contain life.

#3 A sole survivor of a race is hardly a new concept. It occurs in comic books often  from Superman to John Jones Simply bringing one in never breaks lore and never will. Also the odds that an infinite number of pods contain life is floccinaucinihilipilification (estimated at worthless) and even if they did, how would they go about performing such searches? Aside from a few Prothean alcoves (Luna, Thessia, Eden Prime, Feros, Therum and Ilos) there is no complete list of prothean inhabited world's or stations so it would be a pointless endeavour to ignore the war efforts in hopes of finding such hypothetical objects which wouldn't honestly help tip the balance (one Prothean, ONE survived from Eden Prime, no one survived Ilos and-judging from the fact that teh humans nor asari have found any pods around inside their home system which could harbor life-it is appparent that almost every prothean died out. Tapping on the glass of the lore is one thing, it doesn't even flaw the lore but cracking it to bring back ten would and smashing it to bring back an infinitum of them would destroy the entire storyline that the Mass Effect trilogy is built upon.

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:35

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When protheans are added to mp none of this will matter

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:36

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Offender_Mullet wrote...

landylan wrote...

the PROTHEAN DLC is called from ashes. phoenix is an appropriate name bc the protheans would be rising again. anyone agree? disagree? i hope that dlc is real

i forgot to mention for people who dont know. phoenix rises from ashes

How can the Protheans (plural) rise when Javik The Nigerian was the last of them? I don't see that happening.


Zombie protheans?

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:37

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Offender_Mullet wrote...

landylan wrote...

the PROTHEAN DLC is called from ashes. phoenix is an appropriate name bc the protheans would be rising again. anyone agree? disagree? i hope that dlc is real

i forgot to mention for people who dont know. phoenix rises from ashes

How can the Protheans (plural) rise when Javik The Nigerian was the last of them? I don't see that happening.

Because we've never been shown that the Protheans are more than extict, right?

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:37

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jpraelster93 wrote...

When protheans are added to mp none of this will matter


All of this would be fine, If only Bioware could have kept the two modes as separate entities.

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:38

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arguing from lore is a losing proposition, because Bioware will just change it to fit gameplay--which is the correct way to prioritize

Modifié par marshalleck, 12 mai 2012 - 07:38 .

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:39

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TheMightyG00sh wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Distilled Poison wrote...

Read my post, quoted repeatedly throughout this page.

Protheans can not be integrated without breaking lore.

Javik's existence does not break lore.


Still sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LALALALALA I can't hear you!" ?

Everything you just said was wrong.

#1 It WAS lore that Protheans were extinct, only the Collectors were the last of the Protheans and they were hardly Protheans.

#2 Javik suddenly pops up which broke (but not really) the lore of the first two games.

#3 BioWare can use the same writing techniques they used to justify Javik to justify more Protheans for MP.

That's three fairly simple concepts which you can't seem to grasp. Which doesn't surprise me. For some reason. <_<


#3 A sole survivor of a race is hardly a new concept. It occurs in comic books often  from Superman to John Jones Simply bringing one in never breaks lore and never will. Also the odds that an infinite number of pods contain life is floccinaucinihilipilification (estimated at worthless) and even if they did, how would they go about performing such searches? Aside from a few Prothean alcoves (Luna, Thessia, Eden Prime, Feros, Therum and Ilos) there is no complete list of prothean inhabited world's or stations so it would be a pointless endeavour to ignore the war efforts in hopes of finding such hypothetical objects which wouldn't honestly help tip the balance (one Prothean, ONE survived from Eden Prime, no one survived Ilos and-judging from the fact that teh humans nor asari have found any pods around inside their home system which could harbor life-it is appparent that almost every prothean died out. Tapping on the glass of the lore is one thing, it doesn't even flaw the lore but cracking it to bring back ten would and smashing it to bring back an infinitum of them would destroy the entire storyline that the Mass Effect trilogy is built upon.


Got to love hyperbole. Anyways, I'll address the underlined part of #3.

Planet scanning. In case you missed finding all those War Assets that were spread throughout the galaxy.... :pinched:

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:39

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jpraelster93 wrote...

When protheans are added to mp none of this will matter


This.

Then I'll enjoy playing as one and not cry about it breaking the lore.

Well, I'm gonna go do something fun now.

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:42

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Playing loose with lore for the practicality/balance of gameplay is one thing, bringing to life an army of extinct races just to add a few abilities to MP? I have a bit of faith in Bioware. I'm sorry you don't

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:44

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Distilled Poison wrote...

Playing loose with lore for the practicality/balance of gameplay is one thing, bringing to life an army of extinct races just to add a few abilities to MP? I have a bit of faith in Bioware. I'm sorry you don't


Oh before I leave...

Haha. hahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha



(as you can see, I lost faith a while back, and just play the game for fun now)

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:45

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Distilled Poison wrote...

XxTaLoNxX- Internet badass. Gives verbal "thrashings," ignores counter posts, spams image macros, then declares himself right. Yup, you fit every prerequisite for keyboard warrior.

As usual, you refuse to address my arguments. They're in here, feel free to quote and address them if you ever want anyone other than praelster93 to take you seriously. From now on I'm ignoring any of your posts that don't have my points quoted in them, because frankly, the novelty of your "Advanced Debate III" post has worn off. At least your posts were entertaining, if not informative.


I have addressed your points in the past. In direct quotes. You had nothing logical except spouting the word "refuted" over and over with which to come back with. And way to go at attempting to diminish my real life accomplishments.

However, I'm pretty sure, I've verbally thrashed you enough on these forums. You are nothing but an internet troll. "Declarations of self refutals by giving no valid points, attacking personal achievements in vain in order to win an argument/debate, and declaring yourself right while simultaneously ignoring my jests of me declaring myself right" yep you meet all the criteria of "internet troll".

When you have something intelligent that can actually "refute" any of the ways others have outlined as possible ways to introduce Protheans, then come back.

:lol:

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:45

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SweetWilly013 wrote...

Distilled Poison wrote...

Playing loose with lore for the practicality/balance of gameplay is one thing, bringing to life an army of extinct races just to add a few abilities to MP? I have a bit of faith in Bioware. I'm sorry you don't


Oh before I leave...

Haha. hahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha



(as you can see, I lost faith a while back, and just play the game for fun now)


its ea who is really incharge here lol 

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:46

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 It's going to be a collector who changed sides.

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:49

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Descy_ wrote...

Nitrocuban wrote...

Did he just use the N-word?


Since when is "Nigerian" an offensive term?

It's someone who is from Nigeria. Javik's VA is from Nigeria, and his accent is Nigerian.


Well, remove Mr. Ian from that word and read it out loud in "insert name of mostly black community in some city" and we'll see how far you get.;)

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:52

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Nizzemancer wrote...

Descy_ wrote...

Nitrocuban wrote...

Did he just use the N-word?


Since when is "Nigerian" an offensive term?

It's someone who is from Nigeria. Javik's VA is from Nigeria, and his accent is Nigerian.


Well, remove Mr. Ian from that word and read it out loud in "insert name of mostly black community in some city" and we'll see how far you get.;)


Let's not go there. :police:

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:55

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*facepalm*

Niger is a country

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 07:57

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SweetWilly013 wrote...

*facepalm*

Niger is a country


Indeed it is. So is Nigeria.

Also, I'm just preemptively inb4lock because this thread has become a little dubious.

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 08:05

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Phoenix could be Raoli, they are supposed to be Avian right? I think it is also claimed there are a small number of assorted previously un-named and unseen minor races in both Citadel space and the Terminus. I say minor in terms of their population presence in Citadel space and Omega and commonly known effects on Galactic history for the Citadel space.

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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 08:07

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@ Talon. So-despite Shepard seaching through most of the Milky Way's systems and never finding Prothean life-the council would quite happily divert forces from the war effort, weakening the resistance against the reapers just to search what planets Shepard may or may not have missed? Your own reply just adds more fuel to the fire. If all the planets Shepard scanned had no signs of life, and-given how many you scan in search of War Assets and the like-it is likely alot then how many more planets is there to scan and more importantly:out of what Prothean alcoves they do find, what are the chances of any of those alcoves bearing life? 1 pod survived Prime, 0 survived Ilos. It is unlikely, if possible, that many more would have also survived. And if they did there would-in no way-be an equal number to that of the Geth, Quarians, Humans or Krogans (of which is the foundation multiplayer is build upon). Also it is noted in ME1 by Vigil that he was programmed to shut down any non-essential personel first in order to keep head scientists alive for the longest time period possible, so even if say a hundred protheans were discovered odds are that only 10% of them would be marines like Javik so most of those Protheans would be sent to work on the Crucible (who better to built it? after all they were the ones who designed it) and those odd ones that weren't would be high up officials in the Prothean empire, generals, majors, councillors, colonels, admirals. Not one of them would be spending time doing clean up on Tuchanka and would instead already be involved in the war effort as they would be considered the best of the best of the Prothean empire.
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