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[The Milky Waver]

Turians are supposed to be aviant types of characters, so I wouldn't be suprised to see a Turian Vanaguard or Adept. Don't get your hopes up about Protheans.

[Lagrad Gribble]

Avalon Aurora wrote...

Phoenix could be Raoli, they are supposed to be Avian right? I think it is also claimed there are a small number of assorted previously un-named and unseen minor races in both Citadel space and the Terminus. I say minor in terms of their population presence in Citadel space and Omega and commonly known effects on Galactic history for the Citadel space.

The Raloi completely pulled out of the galactic community and destroyed all their space ships and orbiting equipment to hopefully appear too "primitive" to the Reapers to destroy. It would be INCREDIBLY unlikely that after all of that, they would be willing and able to send troops to the front lines. Not to mention these "Phoenix" classes are supposed to be Biotic, so I doubt Raloi would have the necessary technology to make Biotic Amps.

[Credit2team]

two facts that are key to making pritheans fit in the lore:
1) technology exists that could raise people from the dead (example: shepard)
2) there are thousands of dead protheans in the tubes on Ilos

phoenix means come back from being dead as well

[Descy_]

thewalrusx wrote...

two facts that are key to making pritheans fit in the lore:
1) technology exists that could raise people from the dead (example: shepard)
2) there are thousands of dead protheans in the tubes on Ilos

phoenix means come back from being dead as well

Shepard: Took two years to rebuild him, he wasnt dead for that long.
Protheans: Dead for ~50,000 years, would also take ~2 years to bring them back.

[Descy_]

The Milky Waver wrote...

Turians are supposed to be aviant types of characters, so I wouldn't be suprised to see a Turian Vanaguard or Adept. Don't get your hopes up about Protheans.

They're based off of avians, doesnt mean they're birds.

[The Milky Waver]

Descy_ wrote...

The Milky Waver wrote...

Turians are supposed to be aviant types of characters, so I wouldn't be suprised to see a Turian Vanaguard or Adept. Don't get your hopes up about Protheans.

They're based off of avians, doesnt mean they're birds.

Protheans aren't birds either.

[TheMightyG00sh]

thewalrusx wrote...

two facts that are key to making pritheans fit in the lore:
1) technology exists that could raise people from the dead (example: shepard)
2) there are thousands of dead protheans in the tubes on Ilos

phoenix means come back from being dead as well

Bringing ONE person back from the dead cost Cerberus four billion credits. It was also a protoypical project which even Miranda originally thought would fail (it's played over a recording during Awakening and she says some thing like "Damage is worse than we had hoped; still, Wilson insists that the project is salvageable"

This means 3 things:

1) Even if N7 could successfully obtain such data that detailed the process (I doubt Miranda even knew exactly what happened given that she isn't a scientist), data which more than likely was destroyed with Cerberus HQ (TIM isn't stupid enough to leave such data lying around at the Lazarus Station)

2) Even if the data did exist such a mission would tear away possibly hundreds of guns from the war effort and result in the deaths of many in hopes of obtaining such data.

3) Since the process itself took two years to complete, how the hell would N7 go about bringing thousands back from the dead in the space of a few months (remember this takes place during ME3, alongside Shepard's story) whilst also having every scientific hand in the galaxy working on the Crucible?

Modifié par TheMightyG00sh, 12 mai 2012 - 08:21 .

[jpraelster93]

Protheans will happen maybe not in this pack but they will so stop argueing

[Descy_]

The Milky Waver wrote...

Descy_ wrote...

The Milky Waver wrote...

Turians are supposed to be aviant types of characters, so I wouldn't be suprised to see a Turian Vanaguard or Adept. Don't get your hopes up about Protheans.

They're based off of avians, doesnt mean they're birds.

Protheans aren't birds either.

The only thing the prothean argument has going for it is what the OP posted. Its a metaphor.

Even though Protheans/Phoenix hasnt been mentioned anywhere besides the leak (pointing to the possiblity that the leaker is messing with people).

[Lagrad Gribble]

The Milky Waver wrote...

Descy_ wrote...

The Milky Waver wrote...

Turians are supposed to be aviant types of characters, so I wouldn't be suprised to see a Turian Vanaguard or Adept. Don't get your hopes up about Protheans.

They're based off of avians, doesnt mean they're birds.

Protheans aren't birds either.

Who said that it would HAVE to be birds? Symbolism is a thing, so are metaphors. I think you're taking it a LITTLE too literally.

[The Milky Waver]

thewalrusx wrote...

two facts that are key to making pritheans fit in the lore:
1) technology exists that could raise people from the dead (example: shepard)
2) there are thousands of dead protheans in the tubes on Ilos

phoenix means come back from being dead as well

This is true. The "from ashes" name for a prothean dlc is quite a heavy reference to the greek mythology of a phoenix. Once a phoenix dies, which is by becoming completely inflamed and becoming reverted to ashes, a younger phoenix would be re-born from that process.

[Descy_]

The Milky Waver wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

two facts that are key to making pritheans fit in the lore:
1) technology exists that could raise people from the dead (example: shepard)
2) there are thousands of dead protheans in the tubes on Ilos

phoenix means come back from being dead as well

This is true. The "from ashes" name for a prothean dlc is quite a heavy reference to the greek mythology of a phoenix. Once a phoenix dies, which is by becoming completely inflamed and becoming reverted to ashes, a younger phoenix would be re-born from that process.

All that "proves" is that we'd be getting baby protheans for MP.

[TheMightyG00sh]

Descy_ wrote...

The Milky Waver wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

two facts that are key to making pritheans fit in the lore:
1) technology exists that could raise people from the dead (example: shepard)
2) there are thousands of dead protheans in the tubes on Ilos

phoenix means come back from being dead as well

This is true. The "from ashes" name for a prothean dlc is quite a heavy reference to the greek mythology of a phoenix. Once a phoenix dies, which is by becoming completely inflamed and becoming reverted to ashes, a younger phoenix would be re-born from that process.

All that "proves" is that we'd be getting baby protheans for MP.

Gotta give props to this reply! 

[Descy_]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Lagrad Gribble wrote...

The Milky Waver wrote...

Descy_ wrote...

The Milky Waver wrote...

Turians are supposed to be aviant types of characters, so I wouldn't be suprised to see a Turian Vanaguard or Adept. Don't get your hopes up about Protheans.

They're based off of avians, doesnt mean they're birds.

Protheans aren't birds either.

Who said that it would HAVE to be birds? Symbolism is a thing, so are metaphors. I think you're taking it a LITTLE too literally.

Either he is taking it too literally or he is just ignoring the obvious "From Ashes DLC/Javik/Prothean" to "Phoenix class" where Phoenix are fabled to "Rise From Ashes" after being dead/extinct for eons (Protheans).

It's really not hard to put 2 and 2 together.

The people who are arguing against this very obvious hint just took an immovable stance against Protheans in MP and will not and cannot be swayed no matter how much logic you throw at them. Which is actually the exact definition of an ignorant person.

Sorry if the word "ignorant" is inflammatory, but it's the truth. The more you fight the obvious, the more ignorant you look. That's just how ignorance works.

Another fact: In the Weekend op post, Chris mentions Vorcha, Tech specialists, and Cerberus Defectors.

Says nothing about Protheans, Phoenix, or any 4th possible-class.

[The Milky Waver]

Descy_ wrote...

The Milky Waver wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

two facts that are key to making pritheans fit in the lore:
1) technology exists that could raise people from the dead (example: shepard)
2) there are thousands of dead protheans in the tubes on Ilos

phoenix means come back from being dead as well

This is true. The "from ashes" name for a prothean dlc is quite a heavy reference to the greek mythology of a phoenix. Once a phoenix dies, which is by becoming completely inflamed and becoming reverted to ashes, a younger phoenix would be re-born from that process.

All that "proves" is that we'd be getting baby protheans for MP.

I think you took my post too seriously. Also, I'm not even trying to prove anything. Just making a point.

Modifié par The Milky Waver, 12 mai 2012 - 08:35 .

[Merkit91]

I don't like protheans and would rather see some ex-Cerberus as a new characters in MP, but sadly, adding proteans would be less against the lore then adding ex-Cerberus.
Why? In SP (SP is the lore, for the most part), we already bringing back from the dead specie of aliens, kakliosaurus, via cloning - same can be done to protheans. Cloning sentient being is unethical? Maybe, but there is some galactic war going on, so no one will care about it.
Why I think ex-Cerberus characters against the lore? All Cerberus members who are part of military division are implanted and "integrated" (indocrinated), so it is unlikely that any of them will "turn good". Other Cerberus divisions are political and scientific, so combat skills of their members are questionable at best (certainly not enough to become part of special ops units).
Also, I can't get rid of thought that those "phoenix" may be some sort of Alliance special biotic unit,like Grissom academy students or Special Operations Biotic Company that Kaidan commands.

Modifié par Merkit91, 12 mai 2012 - 08:40 .

[landylan]

i think it said something about tech specialists training the vorcha. not sure. but vorcha cant be biotics...quarians cant be biotics cerberus doesnt use biotics...but protheans can fill that role.

[Descy_]

Merkit91 wrote...

I don't like protheans and would rather see some ex-Cerberus as a new characters in MP, but sadly, adding proteans would be less against the lore then adding ex-Cerberus.
Why? In SP (SP is the lore, for the most part), we already bringing back from the dead specie of aliens, kakliosaurus, via cloning - same can be done to protheans. Cloning sentient being is unethical? Maybe, but there is some galactic war going on, so no one will care about it.
Why I think ex-Cerberus characters against the lore? All Cerberus members who are part of military division are implanted and "integrated" (indocrinated), so it is unlikely that any of them will "turn good". Other Cerberus divisions are political and scientific, so combat skills of their members are questionable at best (certainly not enough to become part of special ops units).
Also, I can't get rid of thought that those "phoenix" may be some sort of Alliance special biotic unit,like Grissom academy students or Special Operations Biotic Company that Kaidan commands.

Ex-Cerberus.

Is Miranda Indoctrinated? Jacob? Any of the scientists from Jacobs mission? And Cerberus agents that left before ME3?

Nope/

[Ravenmyste]

backs out of the  thread holding a  fabled thresher maw gun and says no, just no, unless there another dlc that has jarvik going to find his friends graves in that system that he named then i would love to see another dlc it could also mean that they could find some more pods that was like him and survived but there would need to be sp dlc first then  you could do that way to bring them back into mp by playing thru sp first to unlock them!

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 12 mai 2012 - 08:47 .

[Descy_]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Descy_ wrote...

Another fact: In the Weekend op post, Chris mentions Vorcha, Tech specialists, and Cerberus Defectors.

Says nothing about Protheans, Phoenix, or any 4th possible-class.

"Cerberus defectors have verified key intel on Reaper banshees to help
provide us a vulnerability to exploit. Banshees are created from a
specific kind of asari that cannot be replaced quickly, so we are
diverting forces to focus on an all-out banshee extermination effort."

Fair point. And we are all making speculative stretches here. But Cerberus defectors could just be flavor text concerning the last operation "Operation Exorcist" which targeted Cerberus.

Right?

Exactly. My point was though, that Cerberus Defector, Vorcha and Tech specialists were the only classes named.

Unless you wanna play as Banshee  (Krogan Headbutting squad has met its match!)