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Zaidra wrote...

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I generally dislike carrying other players, but if they all have mics and can communicate with me, then it's notably less annoying to have to do so.

I generally avoid giving tips about the weight system, tactics, and effective power combos though because people are sensitive and get butthurt over everything.


see, that's one problem. The bronze players that join gold matches, suck, and don't have mics. They can't even take tips from the gold players (which is how they learn) if they don't have mic enabled. 

Communication is a very important part of this game (the designers of the game said so, so... screw anyone who argues with that) and without it, it lowers your chances of a successfull mission drastically. 


Communication is really only necessary for me when playing with inexperienced players. For example, when I play my Turian Sentinel on gold, and follow the Asari Adept around warping everything, I generally don't need to get on the mic and tell her to use Throw, assuming the Asari is competent at the game.

With inexperienced players, it's just hell when they don't listen and refuse to learn. There is really nothing worse than a noob running around F**king up spawns, dying on the other end of the map, unintentionally sabotaging objectives ect...

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I don't see the problem here. I agree with the OP

If you suck, does not matter if event is on, stay where you regularly play rather then be a burden to those who are "more skilled"
I think BW should introduce tier events, so Gold players get the best, but Bronze players can get something to, so they don't rush into gold and create issues.


they only create issues to arrogent jerkoffs.

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xtorma wrote...

Nocturnalfox wrote...

I don't see the problem here. I agree with the OP

If you suck, does not matter if event is on, stay where you regularly play rather then be a burden to those who are "more skilled"
I think BW should introduce tier events, so Gold players get the best, but Bronze players can get something to, so they don't rush into gold and create issues.


they only create issues to arrogent jerkoffs.


Actually, you're wrong.

The noob following me around the map while I'm cloaked disabling nodes, shooting the glowing blue targets, f**king up spawn points,  wasting Corba missiles on Banshees that are already practically dead, and dying on the other side of the map because it works in Bronze absolutely cause "issues".

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 Elitists are frowned upon not because they are special snowflakes, but because they are dicks. OP illustrates this well. Most of the times it has nothing to do with skill, it's just an attitude if douchy-ness that comes out on the false belief that that they are better ("I always rank #1!!!"). 

Umm yeah, it's just a game. A co-op game at that. Which makes this leet sentiment all more nauseous. 

Modifié par samb, 12 mai 2012 - 09:52 .


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Ashen Earth wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Nocturnalfox wrote...

I don't see the problem here. I agree with the OP

If you suck, does not matter if event is on, stay where you regularly play rather then be a burden to those who are "more skilled"
I think BW should introduce tier events, so Gold players get the best, but Bronze players can get something to, so they don't rush into gold and create issues.


they only create issues to arrogent jerkoffs.


Actually, you're wrong.

The noob following me around the map while I'm cloaked disabling nodes, shooting the glowing blue targets, f**king up spawn points,  wasting Corba missiles on Banshees that are already practically dead, and dying on the other side of the map because it works in Bronze absolutely cause "issues".


I rest my case.

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xtorma wrote...

Nocturnalfox wrote...

I don't see the problem here. I agree with the OP

If you suck, does not matter if event is on, stay where you regularly play rather then be a burden to those who are "more skilled"
I think BW should introduce tier events, so Gold players get the best, but Bronze players can get something to, so they don't rush into gold and create issues.


they only create issues to arrogent jerkoffs.


This is one of the main reasons I don't play public golds.  They got it backwards, it's not the inexperienced people that ruin it, it's people like this.  I've had nothing but good experiences with public silver, but I'll stick to private for my gold runs.

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Zaidra wrote...

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to add to that i understand that ppl want to play gold an heck you should try to get a group to help you with it to get the commendation pack but there's bronze and silver for a reason ppl. I dont play gold all the time personally since i still have limited skill/weaponary for it so i play in silver with the classes im not good at. Tip if you want to play gold without experience and weapons just play asari adept keep your head down and set up explosions this can be done by pretty much anyone regardless of skill.


if you would use punctuation besides periods, capitalize your letters, and use proper grammar, people might bother to read your posts. 


+1

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xtorma wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Nocturnalfox wrote...

I don't see the problem here. I agree with the OP

If you suck, does not matter if event is on, stay where you regularly play rather then be a burden to those who are "more skilled"
I think BW should introduce tier events, so Gold players get the best, but Bronze players can get something to, so they don't rush into gold and create issues.


they only create issues to arrogent jerkoffs.


Actually, you're wrong.

The noob following me around the map while I'm cloaked disabling nodes, shooting the glowing blue targets, f**king up spawn points,  wasting Corba missiles on Banshees that are already practically dead, and dying on the other side of the map because it works in Bronze absolutely cause "issues".


I rest my case.


Not everyone likes having 30 minutes of their time wasted with no reward to show for it.

If I'm in a gold lobby, it would be ideal for everyone to be capable of pulling their own weight, or at the very least be able to communicate with the players that actually know what they are doing.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 12 mai 2012 - 10:08 .


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Ashen Earth wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Nocturnalfox wrote...

I don't see the problem here. I agree with the OP

If you suck, does not matter if event is on, stay where you regularly play rather then be a burden to those who are "more skilled"
I think BW should introduce tier events, so Gold players get the best, but Bronze players can get something to, so they don't rush into gold and create issues.


they only create issues to arrogent jerkoffs.


Actually, you're wrong.

The noob following me around the map while I'm cloaked disabling nodes, shooting the glowing blue targets, f**king up spawn points,  wasting Corba missiles on Banshees that are already practically dead, and dying on the other side of the map because it works in Bronze absolutely cause "issues".


I rest my case.


Not everyone likes having 30 minutes of their time wasted with no reward to show for it.

If I'm in a gold lobby, it would be ideal for everyone to be capable of pulling their own weight, or at the very least be able to communicate with the players that actually know what they are doing.


You need to ease on back to silver.

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So long as they keep doing 'extract on gold' for reward packs, OP will remain a jerk.

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xtorma wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Nocturnalfox wrote...

I don't see the problem here. I agree with the OP

If you suck, does not matter if event is on, stay where you regularly play rather then be a burden to those who are "more skilled"
I think BW should introduce tier events, so Gold players get the best, but Bronze players can get something to, so they don't rush into gold and create issues.


they only create issues to arrogent jerkoffs.


Actually, you're wrong.

The noob following me around the map while I'm cloaked disabling nodes, shooting the glowing blue targets, f**king up spawn points,  wasting Corba missiles on Banshees that are already practically dead, and dying on the other side of the map because it works in Bronze absolutely cause "issues".


I rest my case.


Not everyone likes having 30 minutes of their time wasted with no reward to show for it.

If I'm in a gold lobby, it would be ideal for everyone to be capable of pulling their own weight, or at the very least be able to communicate with the players that actually know what they are doing.


You need to ease on back to silver.


Please be trolling.

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samb wrote...

 Elitists are frowned upon not because they are special snowflakes, but because they are dicks. OP illustrates this well. Most of the times it has nothing to do with skill, it's just an attitude if douchy-ness that comes out on the false belief that that they are better ("I always rank #1!!!"). 

Umm yeah, it's just a game. A co-op game at that. Which makes this leet sentiment all more nauseous. 


+1


I agree.  If you don't want to play with a certain group of people HOST A PRIVATE MATCH.  Otherwise, until you own Mass Effect anyone can (and I think should) be able to join a PUBLIC match.

Honestly.  It's a game.  For FUN.  You don't really win anything.  I only play Bronze and sometimes Silver.  This is my first MP experience and you know what?  I enjoy it the most when the team treats it like a TEAM game.  They help each other with objectives, revive one another, and make sure everyone makes it to extraction.

Modifié par SMichelle, 12 mai 2012 - 10:30 .


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I understand the sentiment, but disagree with the proposal.

"Carrying" a team on Gold is hard.  Really hard if the other players lack basic strategy.  They'll do things like stand in the open, away from the team, and get shot down.  The time you spend running to the other size of the map rezzing them is time you're not stopping enemies reaching your safe zone.  When I feel I may need to carry a team, I play as Infiltrator and equip Level 3 Adrenaline Boost, and I am a Rez God on speed.  There are matches where I've gotten 30 rezzes in the first 5 waves, often from running from one side of the map to the other.  I keep asking the players to stay basically together, but bad habits from Bronze/Silver keep them from doing the right thing.

That's the problem here.  Asking players to stick to Bronze/Silver just re-inforces the bad habits that they pick up there.  They'll stand in the open and get shot down.  They'll stray to the other side of the map away from the team and die.  They'll come to the disable/enable target and work on it, uncloaked, while you are too and were already 3/4 of the way done and drawing fire.  They lack use of basic side-step/roll and dodge moves when getting shot at (amazing how often a Geth Rocket Trooper's rockets will miss if you side step/roll as soon as you see the rocket, even on a laggy connection).  They'll pick the least defensible position on the map and refuse to move.  They'll stand beside you and won't rez you or each other (man, I've gotten good at not dying on Gold because I know 50% of the time I'll need to rez myself).

There are times where I've solo'd waves 7-10 from 1 minute into the wave after everyone wiped.

The worst one yesterday was some guy, N7 180 or something, level 20 Geth Infi, with a Black Widow, and I swear the guy didn't fire his weapon until Wave 5, nor did he cloak once, nor did he revive anyone 3 feet from him.  Now THIS guy is where I drew the line.  With seething contempt I asked him to leave when the game ended.

Useless idiots aside, generally you can see some players start to "get it" and improve by the end of a match.  The only way they'll learn is if they play, and unlearn the idiocy that they pick up from playing Bronze/Silver.

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lynch108 wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Nocturnalfox wrote...

I don't see the problem here. I agree with the OP

If you suck, does not matter if event is on, stay where you regularly play rather then be a burden to those who are "more skilled"
I think BW should introduce tier events, so Gold players get the best, but Bronze players can get something to, so they don't rush into gold and create issues.


they only create issues to arrogent jerkoffs.


This is one of the main reasons I don't play public golds.  They got it backwards, it's not the inexperienced people that ruin it, it's people like this.  I've had nothing but good experiences with public silver, but I'll stick to private for my gold runs.


True that...I am not interested in elitism in video game playing.  If people want to talk about how much REAL $$$ they make, then I can be a boss.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 12 mai 2012 - 10:36 .


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samb wrote...

 Elitists are frowned upon not because they are special snowflakes, but because they are dicks. OP illustrates this well. Most of the times it has nothing to do with skill, it's just an attitude if douchy-ness that comes out on the false belief that that they are better ("I always rank #1!!!"). 

Umm yeah, it's just a game. A co-op game at that. Which makes this leet sentiment all more nauseous. 


^this

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SMichelle wrote...

samb wrote...

 Elitists are frowned upon not because they are special snowflakes, but because they are dicks. OP illustrates this well. Most of the times it has nothing to do with skill, it's just an attitude if douchy-ness that comes out on the false belief that that they are better ("I always rank #1!!!"). 

Umm yeah, it's just a game. A co-op game at that. Which makes this leet sentiment all more nauseous. 


+1


I agree.  If you don't want to play with a certain group of people HOST A PRIVATE MATCH.  Otherwise, until you own Mass Effect anyone can (and I think should) be able to join a PUBLIC match.

Honestly.  It's a game.  For FUN.  You don't really win anything.  I only play Bronze and sometimes Silver.  This is my first MP experience and you know what?  I enjoy it the most when the team treats it like a TEAM game.  They help each other with objectives, revive one another, and make sure everyone makes it to extraction.


it is a team game, which is why gold is better than silver or bronze, and easier. When I played bronze and silver, people just ran around doing their own things like idiots, and it annoyed the heck out of me. My first match on gold went perfectly because everyone acted as a team. We proceeded to win three matches in a row with the same team because we were a team. It was actually easier than any of my silver or bronze matches ever were. 

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Love how people are trying to act like internet white knights on these forums.
Let's stick you in a gold group of level 4 human vanguards nova spamming the banshees and infiltrators with smg's and avengers and see how patient you are then.

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 I cant be the only person that thinks elitism is only brought on by people attempting gold when theyre not ready.

I appreciate there are people on this forum that dedicate themselves to helping poor players in gold matches. But i dont see why the rest of us should have to put up with the constant slew of uncapable players that are pouring into gold all the time, and not just during operation weekends.

There isnt a system in place for stopping people with low N7s or low level characters playing gold, which is fine. There are plently of good players who level up their characters in gold, if they know they can handle it theres nothing wrong with that. 
But people who dont have the experience or skill are still playing gold all the time. Its partly FBWGGs fault, partly the unlock systems fault, and party the fault of people ensuring poor players can play gold if they "keep practicing".
Practice in silver until youre ready for gold and stop making our gold games more of a pain in the arse than they have to be.

So, just to recap.

Please stay out of gold if you dont have the experience and skill to contribute to the teams effort.

If youre a good player, please stop telling poor players to give gold a go. If you really want to train them up then play a private game.

Thank you


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You can't control the noobs. There are just way too many of them. Look at any game and you will see it is plagued by noobs. The only answer is to play with a friend and kick the idiots if they want to come in with their level 7 human soldier equiped with a geth pulse rifle and a incisor. I used to not mind giving players a chance, but I'm burnt out on carrying the scrubs.

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kinglewy00 wrote...

Love how people are trying to act like internet white knights on these forums.
Let's stick you in a gold group of level 4 human vanguards nova spamming the banshees and infiltrators with smg's and avengers and see how patient you are then.


I wouldn't play with a group like that.  The point is not that it sucks to play with a group like that...the point is people are being douches about it.  Just move along or create private rooms with friends instead of whipping out your ePenis on the forums.  THAT is what people find pathetic.

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DarkAbsolution wrote...

I understand the sentiment, but disagree with the proposal.

"Carrying" a team on Gold is hard.  Really hard if the other players lack basic strategy.  They'll do things like stand in the open, away from the team, and get shot down.  The time you spend running to the other size of the map rezzing them is time you're not stopping enemies reaching your safe zone.  When I feel I may need to carry a team, I play as Infiltrator and equip Level 3 Adrenaline Boost, and I am a Rez God on speed.  There are matches where I've gotten 30 rezzes in the first 5 waves, often from running from one side of the map to the other.  I keep asking the players to stay basically together, but bad habits from Bronze/Silver keep them from doing the right thing.

That's the problem here.  Asking players to stick to Bronze/Silver just re-inforces the bad habits that they pick up there.  They'll stand in the open and get shot down.  They'll stray to the other side of the map away from the team and die.  They'll come to the disable/enable target and work on it, uncloaked, while you are too and were already 3/4 of the way done and drawing fire.  They lack use of basic side-step/roll and dodge moves when getting shot at (amazing how often a Geth Rocket Trooper's rockets will miss if you side step/roll as soon as you see the rocket, even on a laggy connection).  They'll pick the least defensible position on the map and refuse to move.  They'll stand beside you and won't rez you or each other (man, I've gotten good at not dying on Gold because I know 50% of the time I'll need to rez myself).

There are times where I've solo'd waves 7-10 from 1 minute into the wave after everyone wiped.

The worst one yesterday was some guy, N7 180 or something, level 20 Geth Infi, with a Black Widow, and I swear the guy didn't fire his weapon until Wave 5, nor did he cloak once, nor did he revive anyone 3 feet from him.  Now THIS guy is where I drew the line.  With seething contempt I asked him to leave when the game ended.

Useless idiots aside, generally you can see some players start to "get it" and improve by the end of a match.  The only way they'll learn is if they play, and unlearn the idiocy that they pick up from playing Bronze/Silver.


+1

Honestly, it's a mixed bag for me when I play random/random/gold games in public. There are times where I mute myself so I can feel like I'm verbally abusing the player who can't seem to get his stuff together without actually talking to him/her. Like some have already stated sometimes you try to offer help and it just pisses them off telling them how to play a game, and other times they readily accept advice and improve as the game goes along. Like DarkAbsolution said bad habits formed on lower difficulties are hard to break but they're even harder when it seems they don't want improvement when "their" way of playing has worked for so long.

And other times I just want to cry at the awesome teamwork on display. Possibly my best experience had to be last night where in a PUG match the four of us without chatting were cleaning house on the enemy for about 4 hours we played together. What's that a teammate needs a revive, done; a group hack objective, all head over there; 4 hack objectives, infiltrator goes over while other 3 draw aggro. It was - I dare say - beautiful. It's more than likely I'll never find that kind of teamwork and fun with randoms again.

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kinglewy00 wrote...

Love how people are trying to act like internet white knights on these forums.
Let's stick you in a gold group of level 4 human vanguards nova spamming the banshees and infiltrators with smg's and avengers and see how patient you are then.



Why?  What happens then?.....Oh, wait, nothing.  Because it's a game.  You can leave anytime.  No one forces you to play with random people.  Honestly, I've never played Gold, but I've played with some sucky people on Silver and Bronze.  The worse thing that happens is we fail the mission.  That's it.  No one comes in the dark of night and shoots my dog or burns down my house.  You know what I do after I've FAILED A MISSION?  I start another match.

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Bamford38 wrote...

 I cant be the only person that thinks elitism is only brought on by people attempting gold when theyre not ready.

I appreciate there are people on this forum that dedicate themselves to helping poor players in gold matches. But i dont see why the rest of us should have to put up with the constant slew of uncapable players that are pouring into gold all the time, and not just during operation weekends.

There isnt a system in place for stopping people with low N7s or low level characters playing gold, which is fine. There are plently of good players who level up their characters in gold, if they know they can handle it theres nothing wrong with that. 
But people who dont have the experience or skill are still playing gold all the time. Its partly FBWGGs fault, partly the unlock systems fault, and party the fault of people ensuring poor players can play gold if they "keep practicing".
Practice in silver until youre ready for gold and stop making our gold games more of a pain in the arse than they have to be.

So, just to recap.

Please stay out of gold if you dont have the experience and skill to contribute to the teams effort.

If youre a good player, please stop telling poor players to give gold a go. If you really want to train them up then play a private game.

Thank you


Also, if you think you're good at Gold but then realize that its actually you just relying on other people's skills and when they suck, you suck. Stay out of Gold. See you in Bronze OP.

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stribies wrote...

You can't control the noobs. There are just way too many of them. Look at any game and you will see it is plagued by noobs. The only answer is to play with a friend and kick the idiots if they want to come in with their level 7 human soldier equiped with a geth pulse rifle and a incisor. I used to not mind giving players a chance, but I'm burnt out on carrying the scrubs.


And yet you seem so pleasant otherwise.Image IPB

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SMichelle wrote...

kinglewy00 wrote...

Love how people are trying to act like internet white knights on these forums.
Let's stick you in a gold group of level 4 human vanguards nova spamming the banshees and infiltrators with smg's and avengers and see how patient you are then.



Why?  What happens then?.....Oh, wait, nothing.  Because it's a game.  You can leave anytime.  No one forces you to play with random people.  Honestly, I've never played Gold, but I've played with some sucky people on Silver and Bronze.  The worse thing that happens is we fail the mission.  That's it.  No one comes in the dark of night and shoots my dog or burns down my house.  You know what I do after I've FAILED A MISSION?  I start another match.


Wait what, they DON'T shoot your dog at night after you've failed a mission? I think that's a bug, should report to EA immediately, cuz Spike was shot a couple dozen times in the middle of the night before I stopped keeping count.