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[Mechler]

eroeru wrote...

Mechler wrote...

thank you for this insightful comment

Haha. I waited for that, and it was quick to arrive.

Sorry if misleading - I'm just a bit tired of seeing these threads pop up. But your ideas I approve of and agree on, mostly.

Don't want to disappoint.

Yeah, I admit I may have went a little overboard with the title, but it oes cover everything I want to see in DA3, and untill David Gaider comes in and demolishes my ideas, the show must go on.
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Well then, feal free to throw your oppinions/ideas into the mix. I'm off to Japanese  class

[Mechler]

Well that's true. Funny thing is, with Bioware saying that they are looking at SKyrim it is entirely possible that your ideas will make it into the final product, but none of mine.
Ah, it would be a lot more fun with dev feedback. We could be done with the design and the story by the weekend. That would save a lot of time for them.

Eilaras will write an awesome story for the qunary involvement. Won't you?

Modifié par Mechler, 14 mai 2012 - 08:54 .

[Mechler]

And post. Not just read. Even if they'll demolish everyrtthing I wrote, I want to hear their opinion.

[lyleoffmyspace]

Mechler wrote...

lyleoffmyspace wrote...

Mechler wrote...

lyleoffmyspace wrote...

What I like about Dragon Age is that no one true faith is right, there's myth, there's legends and then there is freligion. The interplay between all those 3 aspects is what I like about Dragon Age.

Who is right...are the Dalish right? Is the Chantry right? Is there no Maker? What is the fade? Is it heaven/hell? Categorically saying the Maker is true just ruins the entire mythos for me.

True, but with the Sacred Ashes being real anmd the assault on the Golden City was confirmed to be real, we can agree that the Maker was real. On the other hand the Old Gods are also very real and very much present in the story.

I don't think we can. We know nothing of the validity of the elven pantheon yet, or the true nature of the Old Gods/ The Sacred Ashes could possibly not even be due to a god or whatever - remember Oghren saying that the mountain where the Ashes were stored had loads of lyrium in them? Could just be some magical ashes, nothing divine. That's why I love DA - the religious ambuigity, no one is right.

And sure, the Tevinter might have attacked the Golden City...but who was in the Golden city. Yes it might have been The Maker, but it might have been an Elven god too, or just a powerful Fade spirit.

Categorically stating the Maker exists would
1. Be an affront to all the Dalish/Elves
2. Ruin the mystery of the setting. Oh the white Europeans ARE RIGHT ABOUT RELIGION WHAT A TWIST.

Believe it or not, I don't think any kind of god exists in the real world. But the Maker has more to show as evidence than a hardcover short story colection written by many different authors.

Well, it's not like it's a very integral part of the story. It's just one of the many different endings. If you have ideas how the story pr the gameplay should go, I'd be happy to hear them. But for me, this is the end of the religious debate.

Why do you think the Maker is real in Dragon Age? What evidence is there?

Either way, the story sounds terrible and fan-ficy. Why even have a definite conclusion to Dragon Age in the third installment? It's a terrible idea, there is still so much of the world of Dragon Age to explore, and bringing it to some conclusive end would be a terrible thing to do especially with such a bad plot.

[Mechler]

lyleoffmyspace wrote...

Mechler wrote...

lyleoffmyspace wrote...

Mechler wrote...

lyleoffmyspace wrote...

What I like about Dragon Age is that no one true faith is right, there's myth, there's legends and then there is freligion. The interplay between all those 3 aspects is what I like about Dragon Age.

Who is right...are the Dalish right? Is the Chantry right? Is there no Maker? What is the fade? Is it heaven/hell? Categorically saying the Maker is true just ruins the entire mythos for me.

True, but with the Sacred Ashes being real anmd the assault on the Golden City was confirmed to be real, we can agree that the Maker was real. On the other hand the Old Gods are also very real and very much present in the story.

I don't think we can. We know nothing of the validity of the elven pantheon yet, or the true nature of the Old Gods/ The Sacred Ashes could possibly not even be due to a god or whatever - remember Oghren saying that the mountain where the Ashes were stored had loads of lyrium in them? Could just be some magical ashes, nothing divine. That's why I love DA - the religious ambuigity, no one is right.

And sure, the Tevinter might have attacked the Golden City...but who was in the Golden city. Yes it might have been The Maker, but it might have been an Elven god too, or just a powerful Fade spirit.

Categorically stating the Maker exists would
1. Be an affront to all the Dalish/Elves
2. Ruin the mystery of the setting. Oh the white Europeans ARE RIGHT ABOUT RELIGION WHAT A TWIST.

Believe it or not, I don't think any kind of god exists in the real world. But the Maker has more to show as evidence than a hardcover short story colection written by many different authors.

Well, it's not like it's a very integral part of the story. It's just one of the many different endings. If you have ideas how the story pr the gameplay should go, I'd be happy to hear them. But for me, this is the end of the religious debate.

Why do you think the Maker is real in Dragon Age? What evidence is there?

Either way, the story sounds terrible and fan-ficy. Why even have a definite conclusion to Dragon Age in the third installment? It's a terrible idea, there is still so much of the world of Dragon Age to explore, and bringing it to some conclusive end would be a terrible thing to do especially with such a bad plot.

Like I said. End of the religious debate. I listed my evidence anyway. Well unles David Gaider writes it, all stories will be fan fictions. If you can give an oppinion I can work with(what aspects are terrible? how would you write the story? etc) I'd be happy to discucc it.Otherwise you are jsut trolling. You should have more urgent things to do with the beginning exam period.

Too much closure? Yeah maybe Mass Effect 3 is too close. I don't see why a trilogy is not engough for this chunk of the story. If to much is closed for stories to follow, there's stil lroom for prequerls. The previous four Blights for instance. The first was all kinds of awesome. This is all 100% percent my whislist, so oyu have no reason to agree with even one single word, but there's no discussion unless yopu give me something to work with.

[Mechler]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Mechler wrote...

And post. Not just read. Even if they'll demolish everyrtthing I wrote, I want to hear their opinion.

I agree. You can always email the thread link to Alistair McNally. 

I'm still hoping they will find it on their own. If not: DIRECT INTERVENTION IS NECESSARY

[lyleoffmyspace]

Mechler wrote...


Oh and the 3 chessmasters, who play Death Note with each other: Flemeth, the Architect and Morrigan.

This is the first bad aspect of the story because the Architect could be dead. I suppose he could be replaced by the dude from Legacy but that'd be a cop out.

Story:
The first cutscene plays out differently, depending on your save import. We will see a carriage approaching a castle or fortress belonging to the people Hawk did NOT sided with, during dragon age 2. They bring with themselves a large sack which rolles around and makes muffled noises. When the carriage passes th emain gate, it is opened, revealing a bound and gagged Leliana(let's do a kidnap scene right for a change. Zevran approoves + over 9000) She is taken to a room to be interrogated(restraints modived to make it possible). If it lookes like a fanservice version of the dragon age 2 stuff with Varic it's because that's the point. What will be narrated will be the first part of the game.é Like DA:O til leaving Lothering, or DA2 till the end of the deep roads expedition. In this case, it will be the following: Origin stories like in DA:Obut with 2 changes.  Mages are somehow come from outside this conflict to make them unbiased, and there are Qunary(Kossith or whatever). Al lend up being recruited by the Imperial Intelligence AKA the Seekers.

This bit is really ambigious and I'm not sure whats going on, it's very confusing. Why are the Seekers working for the mages if they are with the chantry? Same with the Templars...why are the mages suddenly not in a war? Who is this Empire the Seekers are working for? See. It's confusing already.

You are given some nice loot, Leliana as a comapnion, Raven as a codename, and a mission to find Hawk, the Warden or both. You will quickly get into more trouble than what you can sollve on your own, and are saved by Flemeth(familiar so far. Maric, Warden, Hawk and now Raven.) She will give you directions to someone who is organizing an expedition to find Hawk since she feals somehow that they wil lsuceed and you will be crucial to achieve  that.  The somebody will be either Loghain, Allistair or Varic. Depending on who is dead.  You also get Sandal(Scary lady is definitely up to something). Since Loghian is an Orlesian Grey Warden now, you find the Warden Commadner with him, if the Hero of Ferelden did not survive the Blight. Either way, you find Hawk, stuff happens and Leliana get's kidnapped. At this point we cut to the end of the interrogation. There is a knock on the door. By knock of xourse I mean it gets smashed into peaces. In comes Hawk and Raven(two birds. heh. not intentional). They massacre everyone in the building, but are eventually overwhelmed. When they are about to be asked about their last words help arrives. If the original Warden is alive and did not go into the unknown with Morrigan it is him/her. If not, it is Tallois and/or Cassandra.  Anyway: Serious ass kicking. Now comes the long part of enidng the mage-templar war. You can side with the group yoiu did not support up to this point, or convinvce them to stop the fighting. It will be extremely dificult(Geth-quarian conflict) but the comming of the next Blight helps a lot.

Why are we given loot? What for? Why is our name Raven? What is the significance of the name. Fair enough for Warden Commander/Hero of Ferelden thing, but why do Hawke and Raven kill everyone? Why would my Warden Commander even be resisting talking to people? Why are Hawke and Raven so violent? Why ass kicking? Who's ass are they cooking? This is so confusing. Sides? What two sides? Mages and Templar? WTF I am so confused already.

Oh great a blight is coming. Blights only come once every 1000 years or something, But one's coming now, YAY PLOT CONVIENIENCE.

Okay now's the time to get serious. I couldn't come up with a good reason for Hawk's and the Warden's disappearance, so Hawk did not want to be a symbol of a war and the Warden decided to wait and see to prevent him/herself from becoming a pawn in a game between Flemeth and Morrigan or the Architect and the Mother. You find Morrigan and her child, and maybe the warden. Not wery Bioware like but if Morrgian died in witxh hunt, it is hadnwaved with her posession of both of Flemeths grimoires(in that case she is not very kind with the Warden). Time for some revelations. The legend of Flemeth is either total BS or just some very allegorical  accound of her early life. When she told Hawk: Perhaps I am a dragon, she was not joking. She is the 8th OId God.

8 old gods great. Can we relate this to the elven gods perhaps? No? Okay an unknown 8th Old God...weird.


I'm stopping here because it's already become a convoluted mess of fanfics. Why did they need to find Hawke if they're just going to find the Warden anyway? There is no reason it's just confusing and poorly written and over convoluted so far and we've only just got to the meat of it.

[lyleoffmyspace]

There's no meat or structure to this story and if you condense it down to a few lines it just sounds really bad:

Leliana get kidnapped then she gets on your team then you do something awesome then you meet Hawke and do something awesome then the Warden is there and then suddenly 2 Blights and you fight Flemeth and the Maker helps you.

There's no meat or substance - no questing at the moment, no Dungeons, nothing just people you've met meeting up and kicking ass together - no interesting lore or story developments or anything.

Perhaps the very bare bones of the story could work over a series of several games - but as a narrative for one game it just fails utterly in my opinion.

And why on Earth do you just want to tie everything up and do a prequel? That's stupid. What is everyone's obsession with prequels...all they do it build within constrained lore boundaries. I'd rather a sequel stretching into the future of Thedas, such as the ineviatable Qunari invasion.

Modifié par lyleoffmyspace, 14 mai 2012 - 08:35 .

[TheShadowWolf911]

lyleoffmyspace wrote...

Mechler wrote...

lyleoffmyspace wrote...

Mechler wrote...

lyleoffmyspace wrote...

What I like about Dragon Age is that no one true faith is right, there's myth, there's legends and then there is freligion. The interplay between all those 3 aspects is what I like about Dragon Age.

Who is right...are the Dalish right? Is the Chantry right? Is there no Maker? What is the fade? Is it heaven/hell? Categorically saying the Maker is true just ruins the entire mythos for me.

True, but with the Sacred Ashes being real anmd the assault on the Golden City was confirmed to be real, we can agree that the Maker was real. On the other hand the Old Gods are also very real and very much present in the story.

I don't think we can. We know nothing of the validity of the elven pantheon yet, or the true nature of the Old Gods/ The Sacred Ashes could possibly not even be due to a god or whatever - remember Oghren saying that the mountain where the Ashes were stored had loads of lyrium in them? Could just be some magical ashes, nothing divine. That's why I love DA - the religious ambuigity, no one is right.

And sure, the Tevinter might have attacked the Golden City...but who was in the Golden city. Yes it might have been The Maker, but it might have been an Elven god too, or just a powerful Fade spirit.

Categorically stating the Maker exists would
1. Be an affront to all the Dalish/Elves
2. Ruin the mystery of the setting. Oh the white Europeans ARE RIGHT ABOUT RELIGION WHAT A TWIST.

Believe it or not, I don't think any kind of god exists in the real world. But the Maker has more to show as evidence than a hardcover short story colection written by many different authors.

Well, it's not like it's a very integral part of the story. It's just one of the many different endings. If you have ideas how the story pr the gameplay should go, I'd be happy to hear them. But for me, this is the end of the religious debate.

Why do you think the Maker is real in Dragon Age? What evidence is there?

Either way, the story sounds terrible and fan-ficy. Why even have a definite conclusion to Dragon Age in the third installment? It's a terrible idea, there is still so much of the world of Dragon Age to explore, and bringing it to some conclusive end would be a terrible thing to do especially with such a bad plot.

the Legacy DLC, that is all.

[lyleoffmyspace]

Corypheus entered the Golden City. There is nothing said of whether the Maker was there.

[Mechler]

lyle: I'm back from university, so let's do this.

1.Yes, the architect could be dead(along with half of the cast) but I did not cover all the outcomes. Oh and is there even one sane man who imported the death of the Architect? It's like importing a mass effect 2 save where someone died a the suicide mission.

2. The Seekerrs are not working FOR anyone. They employ the player who can be a mage(excluding a mage class would cause a massive ****storm). I wanted the players to be completely unbiased about the conflict, so the mage origin story would need to explain why that particular mage is not in the conflict. yet. Imperial INtelligence is jsut a nod to SWTOR you know, another Bioware game. Since I think they do the same for the Sith EMpire as what the Seekers do for the Chantry.

3. The loot we are given is just a little something given to us by the Seekers to help us on our way. The cool Seeker armor a weapon or anything. Does not have to be included. Raven is simply what I chose, because I like ravens. Can be anything. BUt is better to refer to than DA3 protagonist. They are so violent because because Leliana is/was kidnapped interrogated and tortured. But yeah you can probably resolve it peacefully, but I wanted a display of power for the Warden. The Revan of Dragon Age. They are not cooking asses. They are kicking. You know, the kidnappers's. Yes the two sides are the mages and the templars, since at this point Thedas is all about the mage-templar war. DUH. Well, no. Blights come when the darkspawn find an archdemon. This is not ther cycle of extinction. It does not have a pre tdetermined time. Oh and if you did not kill the Architect, you learn the the last Blight came when his experiment on Urthemiel backfired. So, it can be done artificiall at any time. Yes this is aconvenient excuse but it fit with Flemeth's plot. Oh and BTW I read that Bioware wolud really like to unite Hawk and Alistair for a Blight. And they plan to use Leliana to do it.

4. Well, the dailish do worship Flemeth as Flemerth, so it might be possible, but I chose an Old God since this made the most sense for me. It explains her dragon form, her apparent immortality nad her motivation throughout the whole franchise. If you can work the dailish into it do it. You are obviously very into them. I can also name three real religions coming from the same source so there's no reason why Flemeth cant be both. You know the Dailish worshiping this original old god for their own reason. Hawk has to be founded because a) The Warden had nothing to do with the mage-templar war He may not be found and may need to be killed c) most players want both Hawk AND the Warden back.

All in all I think you are either a bad troll or not into this whole reading thing.

Of course there is no meat and substance. I will leave that part to Bioware. You know, the professionals, whose job it is. This is just the basic skeleton I want them to fill. Did you honestly thought I would do all the damned journal entries as well?

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Mechler wrote...
There are a few people I think must return, but not necessarily as companions.
Hawk: as a companion

UGH! Not this looser again. Please don't torture me anymore with useless passive character. I had enough with DA 2 alredy.

Mechler wrote..
Warden Commander: depending on your choises either a companion, a a supporting NPC or a boss battle

Hmm.. This is difficult. My warden commander is an Orlesian who return to Orlais after the event in Awakening. He has other interesting task to do. Ressurect my Hero of Ferelden and purify Urthemeil with Morrigan's help. It's head canon. I know. But I've been working on it for 2 years already in the form of custom mod single player campaign. So, while my Hero of Ferelden is dead, my other canon warden, Maverick Cousland entered the Eluvian Portal with Morrigan and their son, never to be heard again. So I don't know how this Warden commander of yours fit in my roleplay.

Mechler wrote..
Zevran: Oh, come on, the old pervert has to return in some capacity. Everyone loves him.

Nope. Not everyone loves him.He's dead in my playthrough. Don't blame me. Who ask him to appear very late in game.

Mechler wrote..
Cassandra and Tallis: Both are set up to be the James Vegas of DA3. I like him a lot more than Garrus. Just sayin'

I have better idea. Both of them become my future mistress in arm.

Mechler wrote..
Loghain: The anty-hero who is willing to do even  the most sinfull stuff to clean up after Malic or Cailan. If he is still alive he must return to show who's boss.

He's already dead too. C'mon give the man a redemption. He need that to stay as hero. .

Mechler wrote..

Sten: AKA the most powwerful warrior of the Dragon Age universe. Of course over a decade has passed so he should be Arishok now.

Yup more cookie for him. Nice to him around though. Remind me so much of my deceased Amber Cousland.

Mechler wrote..
Plus a companion from a new asian influenced country. If I was cheated out of my Kasumi romance in Mass Effect, I'm bringing it back here.

Kasumi? Never heard of that name.  

Mechler wrote..
Story:
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1. Loghain and Zevran are both dead. You better come up an explanation why Zevran return back to life twice.

2. Interrogate scene again? One of the thing I hate most with DA 2 is frame narrative and third person narrative. I don't want to watch things playout outside my character's perspective. I don't want to be director behind the screen. I want to play a role. Not watch movie and control the puppet from my monitor. I do that in every other games.

3. Are you implying to play a Seeker's role? If that so, I'm not interested playing religous character. You better come up with something that could benefit my character, like land, title, castle, wealth and a lot of beatuiful elves maids. Offer my non-believer character something in exchange for chantry's work or make it world threatening situation like the blight to force my character. Otherwise, your character is very weak to me.

4. Leliana already had a romance partner. It was my other warden which she somehow "forget" in DA 2 and I'm not interested with her nor do I wish to repeat the same romance experience and been left out again later. 

5. Too many handweives. I'm sorry I could not finish reading your story. What you propose here is something completely different than what I've played and experience in DAO.  Rework your companion's list first and take into consideration all possible endings for the warden in DAO. Then I may evaluate your story again.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 15 mai 2012 - 04:21 .

[Sacred_Fantasy]

A traitor is never be a good buddy. And I don't feel late game companions awesome.

[GuardianGamerX]

i noticed things of werewolves in the other 2 games, why not make it so u can have one as a companion, but with the lady of the forest too, only to make sense in getting the werewolf

Modifié par GuardianGamerX, 15 mai 2012 - 04:37 .

[Sacred_Fantasy]

I asked him, why should I trust him. He said he owe me his life and he swore to be loyal to me. He LIED.

Anders, Fenris and Sebastian did not appear near end game like Zevran did. I have enough time to ****** them all. Even so, Fenris and Sebastian never turn against me because I always kill Anders. Isabela's action is not surprising. In fact I was well prepared for it. What else you can expect from a pirate? It seem to be the pirate's trend after Jack Sparrow from the movie "The Pirate of the Caribean."

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 15 mai 2012 - 04:56 .

[Mechler]

Oh if you read the whole story I pretty much take into account all the Wardens. Like your Orlesian Warden will be with Loghain who I prefer to redeem himelf while alive. If you don't know who Kasumi is: shame on you. Go play Mass Effect 2. Incase you haven't noticed, the interrogation subplot is just the excuse. By the way I son't know why you don't like it. It worked perfectly in DA2. Especially when Varic played Scarface.

I want Leliana to stay as a warden romance, but she is an important character to the franchise. Not just as fanservice. She stays.

Well please count all the handwaves you found.

Motivation to help the Seekers? Well you want to bang Cassandra, so there's that. Oh and there's a civil war. And there will be a Blight.

What, werewolves? An actual idea? Cool. Well I did not spoecify all the companions. There is still room.

[whykikyouwhy]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

A traitor is never be a good buddy.

Didn't care for Lando Calrissian then?

[Mechler]

Heh, LOL. One internet to you