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[Face of Evil]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

A traitor is never be a good buddy.

Didn't care for Lando Calrissian then?

I just think he could have practiced non-violent resistance or something. Even a wink to Han when he landed would have been nice!

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Mechler wrote...

Oh if you read the whole story I pretty much take into account all the Wardens. Like your Orlesian Warden will be with Loghain who I prefer to redeem himelf while alive.

You don't understand. Loghain died at the hand of my Amber Cousland who then choose to sacrifice herself. Both Hero of Ferelden and Loghain are dead. Alistair married Anora as part of his deal with my Amber Cousland. The Orlesian Warden Comander continue my Amber Cousland's story in Awakening but left Ferelden after Virgil Keep was destroyed with both Anders and Kristoff are dead.  

Mechler wrote...

If you don't know who Kasumi is: shame on you. Go play Mass Effect 2.

I already played ME 2 once and I dislike it. I don't see any Kasumi around. Or are you talking about ME 2's DLC?  I stop purchasing ME series ME 2. I don't even bother with ME 3. Not every DA fans are ME fans. You Kasumi is useless.

Mechler wrote..

Incase you haven't noticed, the interrogation subplot is just the excuse. By the way I son't know why you don't like it. It worked perfectly in DA2. Especially when Varic played Scarface.

Nothing wrong with how it played in DA2. It's the nature of frame narrative and third person storytelling that hit my nerve. Too disconnecting. Too out of perspective for Hawke or any character to be as PC.  

Mechler wrote..


I want Leliana to stay as a warden romance, but she is an important character to the franchise. Not just as fanservice. She stays.

Then don't make her romanceable. Her limited place as LI should be replaced with someone more worthy like your Kasumi, I guess.

Mechler wrote..



Well please count all the handwaves you found.

Rework your companion list first. It still doesn't allign well with my DAO's story. 

Mechler wrote..




Motivation to help the Seekers? Well you want to bang Cassandra, so there's that. Oh and there's a civil war. And there will be a Blight.

And why would I care with a civil war that has nothing to do with my character?  Even if I want bang both Cassandra and Tali, it would be in the middle of the game and I'm not interested to walk through all those events without any purpose other than to bang them.
The blight after 10 years? Don't you think it's getting old already?

[Sacred_Fantasy]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

A traitor is never be a good buddy.

Didn't care for Lando Calrissian then?

Who is this guy? Never heard of him before.

[thats1evildude]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Who is this guy? Never heard of him before.

He's a character from an obscure science fiction/fantasy series that came out in the late 1970s/early 1980s.

Were I in charge of DA3, there are two characters that I would insert in the line-up:

1) One of the things that bugged me in DAO was that the Warden could cure the werewolves and they would be totally fine afterwards despite the fact that they spent most of their lives as animals. My idea for DA3 would be a former werewolf companion who retains traces of his bestial nature; he acts as a berserker in combat and has trouble fitting into civilized society. As a joke, his name would be Dane, but he would not recall if he was the Dane of legend because he spent so many years as a wild animal.

2) A tame ghast companion who takes the "mabari hound" slot in the party. A ghast is at least as smart as a dog and the comedic potential of having a little cannibalistic monster following you around is considerable. Plus, you could give him hats!

Having read Asunder, I think it would be interesting to visit Andoral's Reach, which is being held by the mages and is under siege by the templars. A mission would involve infiltrating the keep to speak with the mage leaders or carrying out a mission for the templars (like throwing open the gates, for example).

Modifié par thats1evildude, 15 mai 2012 - 05:34 .

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...
Zev didn't appear at the end of the game for me. So I have no idea what game you were playing. I went to lothering, then to redcliff, then traveled, and he appeared. Took him all the way through the Dalish quest, the deep roads, various side quests, denerim quests, landsmeet quest, alienage quest, and final battle. 

Also all the companions are flawed in some way - even Alistair. Get over it.

Then take this route. Loitering - Redcliff - Circle of Magi - Orzammar - Brecilian Forest - Prepare  for landsmeet. You'll meet him on your way to Landsmeet in Denerim.

Every companions are flawed. But  I don't like traitor and liar to be my companion. That;s all.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 15 mai 2012 - 05:33 .

[Mechler]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...
Zev didn't appear at the end of the game for me. So I have no idea what game you were playing. I went to lothering, then to redcliff, then traveled, and he appeared. Took him all the way through the Dalish quest, the deep roads, various side quests, denerim quests, landsmeet quest, alienage quest, and final battle. 

Also all the companions are flawed in some way - even Alistair. Get over it.

Then take this route. Loitering - Redcliff - Circle of Magi - Orzammar - Brecilian Forest - Prepare  for landsmeet. You'll meet him on your way to Landsmeet in Denerim.

Every companions are flawed. But  I don't like traitor and liar to be my companion. That;s all.

Oh that part, when the corws ambush you all. If you had a low aprooval rating He would turn on oyu and fight you, yes. Same goes for Wynn, Leliana, I think Shale as well, Fenris ,Anders, Bethany. The list goes on.

Zevran does not betray friends, but you were not his friend

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Mechler wrote...
Oh that part, when the corws ambush you all. If you had a low aprooval rating He would turn on oyu and fight you, yes. Same goes for Wynn, Leliana, I think Shale as well, Fenris ,Anders, Bethany. The list goes on.

Zevran does not betray friends, but you were not his friend

Of course he is not my friend. The reason I spare his life was to give him a chance to redeem himself as companion. He swore to be loyal to me after I spare him. And I trust him. Had I knew his swore meant nothing, I would have killed him without giving him any chance at all. ( I did that in every playthroughs after that. Not going to waste time with him anymore. He is completely useless to me. Leliana already fiiled rogue's job well enough for my warrior Cousland or Aeducan. ) 

[Face of Evil]

Mechler wrote...

Then take this route. Loitering - Redcliff - Circle of Magi - Orzammar - Brecilian Forest - Prepare  for landsmeet. You'll meet him on your way to Landsmeet in Denerim.

Every companions are flawed. But  I don't like traitor and liar to be my companion. That;s all.

I went the same route you did and I met him after the Circle of Magi. (Of course, I did Haven before Orzammar, but I still met him before going to either Haven or Orzammar.) Zevran stood by me until the end of the game.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 15 mai 2012 - 05:52 .

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Face of Evil wrote...

I went the same route you did and I met him after the Circle of Magi. (Of course, I did Haven before Orzammar.) Zevran stood by me until the end of the game.

His ambush site is on the road heading to Denerim. You won't find him if you decide to go from the the Circle to Orzammar

[Mechler]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...

I went the same route you did and I met him after the Circle of Magi. (Of course, I did Haven before Orzammar.) Zevran stood by me until the end of the game.

His ambush site is on the road heading to Denerim. You won't find him if you decide to go from the the Circle to Orzammar

News flash, moron. He did.

Oh thanks for the offtoipic rant BTW. This will bring in DA DEVZ

[Face of Evil]

Mechler wrote...

News flash, moron. He did.

I actually didn't, technically. I went to Redcliffe and then to the Circle to recruit mages for Connor's ritual. I then encountered Zevran while doing some of the Chanter's Board quests in Redcliffe.

However, I don't think Zevran's ambush site isn't set along any particular path. I've been ambushed by Zevran on the way back to Redcliffe from the Circle of Magi. The only requirement for you to meet him is finishing one of the treaty quests.

I really don't know how you accomplished this mysterious feat of encountering Zevran at the end of the game. But raising his approval to the point that he won't betray you is only of token difficulty.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 15 mai 2012 - 06:04 .

[Sutekh]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Then take this route. Loitering - Redcliff - Circle of Magi - Orzammar - Brecilian Forest - Prepare  for landsmeet. You'll meet him on your way to Landsmeet in Denerim.

I'm with Trista here. What game were you playing? Zev joins you after you complete the first main quest bit past Lothering. It doesn't matter which one, he'll always meet you then. Always. Like clockwork. You have that cutscene with Howe, Loghain and Zevran, then you're ambushed the next time you travel.

Here, have a wiki link: 
http://dragonage.wik..._Road_(Origins) 

What that means is that you've got plenty of time to become his friend and then - no treason. He remains loyal to the end.

[lyleoffmyspace]

Mechler wrote...

lyle: I'm back from university, so let's do this.

1.Yes, the architect could be dead(along with half of the cast) but I did not cover all the outcomes. Oh and is there even one sane man who imported the death of the Architect? It's like importing a mass effect 2 save where someone died a the suicide mission.

Well you still have to respect people's decisions - some people don't trust the Architect - I personally liked him but you should know how pissed off people get when you enjoy their choices.

2. The Seekerrs are not working FOR anyone. They employ the player who can be a mage(excluding a mage class would cause a massive ****storm). I wanted the players to be completely unbiased about the conflict, so the mage origin story would need to explain why that particular mage is not in the conflict. yet. Imperial INtelligence is jsut a nod to SWTOR you know, another Bioware game. Since I think they do the same for the Sith EMpire as what the Seekers do for the Chantry.

Calling them Imperial Intelligence makes no sense and it's totally stupid as a nod to TOR - I had no idea there was a faction in TOR called Impreial Intelligence, so I'm just left there asking questions like "Who is this empire they work for?". I'd assume they'd work for Tervinter since that's the only Empire left in Thedas. It's such a stupid, unneeded and confusing thing to do simply to reference another Bioware game.

3. The loot we are given is just a little something given to us by the Seekers to help us on our way. The cool Seeker armor a weapon or anything. Does not have to be included. Raven is simply what I chose, because I like ravens. Can be anything. BUt is better to refer to than DA3 protagonist. They are so violent because because Leliana is/was kidnapped interrogated and tortured. But yeah you can probably resolve it peacefully, but I wanted a display of power for the Warden. The Revan of Dragon Age. They are not cooking asses. They are kicking. You know, the kidnappers's. Yes the two sides are the mages and the templars, since at this point Thedas is all about the mage-templar war. DUH. Well, no. Blights come when the darkspawn find an archdemon. This is not ther cycle of extinction. It does not have a pre tdetermined time. Oh and if you did not kill the Architect, you learn the the last Blight came when his experiment on Urthemiel backfired. So, it can be done artificiall at any time. Yes this is aconvenient excuse but it fit with Flemeth's plot. Oh and BTW I read that Bioware wolud really like to unite Hawk and Alistair for a Blight. And they plan to use Leliana to do it.

Okay fair enough by why would Raven and Hawke be so angry that Leliana was kidnapped and tortured? As far as I know, Hawke doesn't care for Leliana, and Raven has only met her like once...so why would they be all violent? Makes no sense.

4. Well, the dailish do worship Flemeth as Flemerth, so it might be possible, but I chose an Old God since this made the most sense for me. It explains her dragon form, her apparent immortality nad her motivation throughout the whole franchise. If you can work the dailish into it do it. You are obviously very into them. I can also name three real religions coming from the same source so there's no reason why Flemeth cant be both. You know the Dailish worshiping this original old god for their own reason. Hawk has to be founded because a) The Warden had nothing to do with the mage-templar war He may not be found and may need to be killed c) most players want both Hawk AND the Warden back.

There Dalish worship 9 elven gods (5 male, 4 female), and there are the Forgotten Ones who are the evil Elven gods, and Fen'harel who can walk freely between either - but Fen'harel is the Dread Wolf, not a Dragon, and the Dalish gods don't add up perfectly with the numbers of the Old Gods, so I have no reason for me to believe that the Dalish gods worship the Old Gods. Tervinter worshipped the Old Gods, but the elven Empire was before Terveinter, so it makes no sense. PLOT HOLES.

I personally don't wnat Hawke back. Anyway the mage-templar war seems like such a aside in your story so far abotu double Blights, old Gods and Flemeth...so why do we even need Hawke? Why would we want to kill him? Can't we let him live out his life? Your characters have NO motivations or driving force in the story apart from "oh the plot needs it" and that is NOT good writing style.

All in all I think you are either a bad troll or not into this whole reading thing.

Of course there is no meat and substance. I will leave that part to Bioware. You know, the professionals, whose job it is. This is just the basic skeleton I want them to fill. Did you honestly thought I would do all the damned journal entries as well?

No I'm not a troll, definitely not, and even if I was you're replying to me so I wouldn't say I'm a bad one. And your writing is very bad and hard to read anyway - apoligies if English is not your first language but aside from that the story sounds like something a 12 year old would write. Too much fanservice, as I've said before it sounds like a terrible fan faction - people are doing things because the plot NEEDS them to do things, not because they are acting in character and working to fufill their personal goals.

Modifié par lyleoffmyspace, 15 mai 2012 - 06:21 .

[thats1evildude]

Sutekh wrote...

I'm with Trista here. What game were you
playing? Zev joins you after you complete the first main quest bit past
Lothering. It doesn't matter which one, he'll always meet you then.
Always. Like clockwork. You have that cutscene with Howe, Loghain and
Zevran, then you're ambushed the next time you travel.

Here, have a wiki link: 
http://dragonage.wik..._Road_(Origins) 

What that means is that you've got plenty of time to become his friend and then - no treason. He remains loyal to the end.

Maybe he just went to each site and did each quest two-thirds of the way through, then at the end ran around really quickly completing all the main quests.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 15 mai 2012 - 06:16 .

[Mechler]

Oh I figured it out. Dude meshed it up with DA2. There Zhevran appears in a sidequest at the last act. Than he returns in the last battle to fight...wait for it...at your side against Meredith. Booo betrayer scum

Modifié par Mechler, 15 mai 2012 - 06:14 .

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Hmm.. I'm not sure how it happen to you. Are you using some kind of mod?
I've played countless time and it's still the same.
Here's what I always do.
1.) Save the Circle. Tell Irving about the boy at Redcliff
2. ) Go straight to Orzammar. You will have to go back to redcliff later, anyway. So better finish off all Orzammar quest first.
3. After Orzammar, go straight to Brecilian Forest. Complete the quest then head back to redcliff
4. Complete Redcliff's quest. Complete Sacred Ashes. By the time Eamon awake, you have all the army ready.The only thing left is Landsmeet.

There you go. No Zevran appearance until Landsmeet.

Anyway, we already off topic. Let's not derail any further.

So OP I guess you won't change your companion's list then?

[thats1evildude]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Hmm.. I'm not sure how it happen to you. Are you using some kind of mod?
I've played countless time and it's still the same.

Then you're some really weird exception to the rule, because the rest of us (and probably all of the Dragon Age fandom)  all get Zevran early in the game. And thus we have no idea what the hell you're talking about when you say that Zevran always betrays you.

Maybe you should be asking what mod you're using prevents that.

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Here's what I always do.
1.) Save the Circle. Tell Irving about the boy at Redcliff
2.
) Go straight to Orzammar. You will have to go back to redcliff later,
anyway. So better finish off all Orzammar quest first.
3. After Orzammar, go straight to Brecilian Forest. Complete the quest then head back to redcliff
4.
Complete Redcliff's quest. Complete Sacred Ashes. By the time Eamon
awake, you have all the army ready.The only thing left is
Landsmeet.

That's a really bizarre way of going through DAO — why would you go to Orzammar and the Brecilian Forest before saving Connor? But still, you should be running into Zevran long before the end.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 15 mai 2012 - 06:23 .

[Sacred_Fantasy]

There was no mod the first time I played the game. And I have install and reinstall so many time. It's still the same.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 15 mai 2012 - 06:24 .

[Mechler]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Hmm.. I'm not sure how it happen to you. Are you using some kind of mod?
I've played countless time and it's still the same.
Here's what I always do.
1.) Save the Circle. Tell Irving about the boy at Redcliff
2. ) Go straight to Orzammar. You will have to go back to redcliff later, anyway. So better finish off all Orzammar quest first.
3. After Orzammar, go straight to Brecilian Forest. Complete the quest then head back to redcliff
4. Complete Redcliff's quest. Complete Sacred Ashes. By the time Eamon awake, you have all the army ready.The only thing left is Landsmeet.

There you go. No Zevran appearance until Landsmeet.

Anyway, we already off topic. Let's not derail any further.

So OP I guess you won't change your companion's list then?

Well everyone else met Zevrtan before so I think you are using a mod.

Well Zevran died in your playthrough anyway so that part doe snot affevct yours. If Loghain is dead, you Go to ALlistair. If your Warden went back to Orleis and Loghian is dead, you don't meet him at Allsitair. YOu might meet him if you go around fixing the ar.  Like I said I did not cover all the plotlines. It is a little too diverse. YOu can wright oyur own line-up and we can coimapre but my wishlist remians the same,

[lyleoffmyspace]

thats1evildude wrote...

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Hmm.. I'm not sure how it happen to you. Are you using some kind of mod?
I've played countless time and it's still the same.

Then you're some really weird exception to the rule, because the rest of us (and probably all of the Dragon Age fandom)  all get Zevran early in the game. And thus we have no idea what the hell you're talking about when you say that Zevran always betrays you.

Maybe you should be asking yourself what mod you're using that prevents that.

Zevran does betray you in Denerim in the Landsmeet section if you don't have high enough approval by giving him those special boots or something.

[Sutekh]

thats1evildude wrote...

Maybe he just went to each site and did each quest two-thirds of the way through, then at the end ran around really quickly completing all the main quests.

Only possible if he ended up with the Circle, since you're stuck there until completion.

Buuuut sounds like a fun way to do things. Gotta try that someday  "The Warden Who Were Afraid To Finish Things". I'll call her Lady Procrastina Cousland.

lyleoffmyspace wrote...

Zevran does betray you in Denerim in the Landsmeet section if you don't have high enough approval by giving him those special boots or something.

 That's the point everyone's been making. He doesn't always betray you. He betrays you only if you don't have high enough approval.

@OP: Sorry for highjacking your thread. Keep up the brainstorming.

Modifié par Sutekh, 15 mai 2012 - 06:31 .

[Mechler]

No problem Sutekh. We first need to do something about the troll infestation and wait for a dev post.

[lyleoffmyspace]

Anyway why the sudden need to tie everything up in DA3 conclusively?

Can't we have DA3 about the Templar-Mage war or something whilst also learning more about the lore of the world? Then have the Qunari invade again. Then a game about the Qunari invasion. Then a game about the Anderfells and the Grey Warden state there..maybe a political plot against them in the Anderfells...and a game about the Eluvians and the fall of Arlathan and uncovered elven treasures?

Trying to tie everything up in one final game to a franchise Bioware don't even see as being a trilogy is bloody stupid.

Mechler wrote...

No problem Sutekh. We first need to do something about the troll infestation and wait for a dev post.

Why do you see people who don't agree with you as trolls?

Modifié par lyleoffmyspace, 15 mai 2012 - 06:41 .

[Mechler]

That's the bad influence of ME3. But it only ties up Flemeth, The civil war and the blights -figuratively and Leliana - literally. You can still do a Qunary invasion and an elven tomb raider. Right a post like my first, and we can start to get serious

[Sacred_Fantasy]

thats1evildude wrote...
That's a really bizarre way of going through DAO — why would you go to Orzammar and the Brecilian Forest before saving Connor?

Because you will end up  at Red Cliff anyway. Since Eamon is still ill, I thought I completed Orzammar and Brecilian Forest first. Therefore, I don't have to go back and  forth and avoid DAO's awful loading screen.

thats1evildude wrote...

But still, you should be running into Zevran long before the end.

It should be after Orzammar but it never happens which lead me to believe Zevran's ambush site is a road leading to Denerim.