Kaelef wrote...
No, the biggest problem with IT is that it's 215% speculation.
Yup.
Problem with IT
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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 09:32
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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 09:32
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[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
The biggest problem with the IT, is that control is a renegade option. That means that being a renegade is not a viable way to fight the reapers. If the IT is true is another unfair treatment of renegade players. Just like the rachni and everything else!
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Destroy was considered the Renegade option.
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In the IT is is flipped to confuse Shep. This means the IT supports that aragon Shep wins and renegade Shep loses.
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I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote]
Nope. The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best, and that is why the destroy ending is red to confuse Shep. It's not about what you think. It is about what the IT theory says. And it says the renegade Sheps can't win.
[/quote]
I would need a link to this official IT theory and where you got this quote from
[quote]The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best[/quote]
Can't say I care either way, but I will have an argument with whoever made it.
[/quote]
http://www.youtube.c...FFhBn2U#t=3684s
Here is a link, it is only talked about for a few moments
[/quote]
That is merely a documentary.
Ignoring the colors as they don't matter.
What matters is what you do.
[quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote][/quote]
Then why did bioware color code the options?
[/quote]
Probably to weed out weak shepards.
A strong shepard will know what to do and will not be tricked by lies.
[/quote]
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps?
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
The biggest problem with the IT, is that control is a renegade option. That means that being a renegade is not a viable way to fight the reapers. If the IT is true is another unfair treatment of renegade players. Just like the rachni and everything else!
[/quote]
Destroy was considered the Renegade option.
[/quote]
In the IT is is flipped to confuse Shep. This means the IT supports that aragon Shep wins and renegade Shep loses.
[/quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote]
Nope. The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best, and that is why the destroy ending is red to confuse Shep. It's not about what you think. It is about what the IT theory says. And it says the renegade Sheps can't win.
[/quote]
I would need a link to this official IT theory and where you got this quote from
[quote]The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best[/quote]
Can't say I care either way, but I will have an argument with whoever made it.
[/quote]
http://www.youtube.c...FFhBn2U#t=3684s
Here is a link, it is only talked about for a few moments
[/quote]
That is merely a documentary.
Ignoring the colors as they don't matter.
What matters is what you do.
[quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote][/quote]
Then why did bioware color code the options?
[/quote]
Probably to weed out weak shepards.
A strong shepard will know what to do and will not be tricked by lies.
[/quote]
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps?
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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 09:34
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ardensia wrote...
Kaelef wrote...
No, the biggest problem with IT is that it's 215% speculation.
Yup.
Speculation is how problems are solved, how the stars were discovered.
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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 09:34
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7he Island Head wrote...
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps?
No the reapers lied. If you are paying attention you see through the lie.
Modifié par balance5050, 12 mai 2012 - 09:35 .
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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 09:36
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Then why mix in red and blue? It just that either paragon or renegrade loses, because there is only one right optionbalance5050 wrote...
7he Island Head wrote...
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps?
No the reapers lied. If you are paying attention you see through the lie.
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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 09:38
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No, that was through rigorous mathematical proofs and scientific analysis. Things which are impossible with IT because a.) it's unprovable, and b.) IT'S BASED ON A WORK OF FICTION!!balance5050 wrote...
ardensia wrote...
Kaelef wrote...
No, the biggest problem with IT is that it's 215% speculation.
Yup.
Speculation is how problems are solved, how the stars were discovered.
Modifié par Kaelef, 12 mai 2012 - 09:38 .
#32
Posté 12 mai 2012 - 09:39
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[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
The biggest problem with the IT, is that control is a renegade option. That means that being a renegade is not a viable way to fight the reapers. If the IT is true is another unfair treatment of renegade players. Just like the rachni and everything else!
[/quote]
Destroy was considered the Renegade option.
[/quote]
In the IT is is flipped to confuse Shep. This means the IT supports that aragon Shep wins and renegade Shep loses.
[/quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote]
Nope. The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best, and that is why the destroy ending is red to confuse Shep. It's not about what you think. It is about what the IT theory says. And it says the renegade Sheps can't win.
[/quote]
I would need a link to this official IT theory and where you got this quote from
[quote]The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best[/quote]
Can't say I care either way, but I will have an argument with whoever made it.
[/quote]
http://www.youtube.c...FFhBn2U#t=3684s
Here is a link, it is only talked about for a few moments
[/quote]
That is merely a documentary.
Ignoring the colors as they don't matter.
What matters is what you do.
[quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote][/quote]
Then why did bioware color code the options?
[/quote]
Probably to weed out weak shepards.
A strong shepard will know what to do and will not be tricked by lies.
[/quote]
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps?
[/quote]
I would not say lied.
Weak shepards chose their own faith, their knowledge was lacking because they did not understand the Indoctrination examples presented to them throughout their journey.
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
The biggest problem with the IT, is that control is a renegade option. That means that being a renegade is not a viable way to fight the reapers. If the IT is true is another unfair treatment of renegade players. Just like the rachni and everything else!
[/quote]
Destroy was considered the Renegade option.
[/quote]
In the IT is is flipped to confuse Shep. This means the IT supports that aragon Shep wins and renegade Shep loses.
[/quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote]
Nope. The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best, and that is why the destroy ending is red to confuse Shep. It's not about what you think. It is about what the IT theory says. And it says the renegade Sheps can't win.
[/quote]
I would need a link to this official IT theory and where you got this quote from
[quote]The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best[/quote]
Can't say I care either way, but I will have an argument with whoever made it.
[/quote]
http://www.youtube.c...FFhBn2U#t=3684s
Here is a link, it is only talked about for a few moments
[/quote]
That is merely a documentary.
Ignoring the colors as they don't matter.
What matters is what you do.
[quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote][/quote]
Then why did bioware color code the options?
[/quote]
Probably to weed out weak shepards.
A strong shepard will know what to do and will not be tricked by lies.
[/quote]
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps?
[/quote]
I would not say lied.
Weak shepards chose their own faith, their knowledge was lacking because they did not understand the Indoctrination examples presented to them throughout their journey.
Modifié par Iwillbeback, 12 mai 2012 - 09:40 .
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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 09:42
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The point of the exorcise is to trick us, the player.7he Island Head wrote...
Then why mix in red and blue? It just that either paragon or renegrade loses, because there is only one right optionbalance5050 wrote...
7he Island Head wrote...
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps?
No the reapers lied. If you are paying attention you see through the lie.
And besides, a player who rigorously stays pure Paragon or Renegade might not be able to think outside the box enough to pass this test
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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 09:44
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OnelShot wrote...
How is that a problem with the indoctrination theory? That would be more of a problem with the game even though you can't really think of those decisions as an actual paragon or renegade decision
Like that.
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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 09:49
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Gorkan86 wrote...
OnelShot wrote...
How is that a problem with the indoctrination theory? That would be more of a problem with the game even though you can't really think of those decisions as an actual paragon or renegade decision
Like that.
See IT favors paragons!!!
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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 09:52
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[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
The biggest problem with the IT, is that control is a renegade option. That means that being a renegade is not a viable way to fight the reapers. If the IT is true is another unfair treatment of renegade players. Just like the rachni and everything else!
[/quote]
Destroy was considered the Renegade option.
[/quote]
In the IT is is flipped to confuse Shep. This means the IT supports that aragon Shep wins and renegade Shep loses.
[/quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote]
Nope. The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best, and that is why the destroy ending is red to confuse Shep. It's not about what you think. It is about what the IT theory says. And it says the renegade Sheps can't win.
[/quote]
I would need a link to this official IT theory and where you got this quote from
[quote]The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best[/quote]
Can't say I care either way, but I will have an argument with whoever made it.
[/quote]
http://www.youtube.c...FFhBn2U#t=3684s
Here is a link, it is only talked about for a few moments
[/quote]
That is merely a documentary.
Ignoring the colors as they don't matter.
What matters is what you do.
[quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote][/quote]
Then why did bioware color code the options?
[/quote]
Probably to weed out weak shepards.
A strong shepard will know what to do and will not be tricked by lies.
[/quote]
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps?
[/quote]
I would not say lied.
Weak shepards chose their own faith, their knowledge was lacking because they did not understand the Indoctrination examples presented to them throughout their journey.
[/quote]
But you did say lies!!!!
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
The biggest problem with the IT, is that control is a renegade option. That means that being a renegade is not a viable way to fight the reapers. If the IT is true is another unfair treatment of renegade players. Just like the rachni and everything else!
[/quote]
Destroy was considered the Renegade option.
[/quote]
In the IT is is flipped to confuse Shep. This means the IT supports that aragon Shep wins and renegade Shep loses.
[/quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote]
Nope. The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best, and that is why the destroy ending is red to confuse Shep. It's not about what you think. It is about what the IT theory says. And it says the renegade Sheps can't win.
[/quote]
I would need a link to this official IT theory and where you got this quote from
[quote]The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best[/quote]
Can't say I care either way, but I will have an argument with whoever made it.
[/quote]
http://www.youtube.c...FFhBn2U#t=3684s
Here is a link, it is only talked about for a few moments
[/quote]
That is merely a documentary.
Ignoring the colors as they don't matter.
What matters is what you do.
[quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote][/quote]
Then why did bioware color code the options?
[/quote]
Probably to weed out weak shepards.
A strong shepard will know what to do and will not be tricked by lies.
[/quote]
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps?
[/quote]
I would not say lied.
Weak shepards chose their own faith, their knowledge was lacking because they did not understand the Indoctrination examples presented to them throughout their journey.
[/quote]
But you did say lies!!!!
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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 09:53
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7he Island Head wrote...
Gorkan86 wrote...
OnelShot wrote...
How is that a problem with the indoctrination theory? That would be more of a problem with the game even though you can't really think of those decisions as an actual paragon or renegade decision
Like that.
See IT favors paragons!!!
IT favors destroying the reaper, color isn't what makes something paragon or renegade, it's only a means to an end, whether you're paragon or renegade. There is only one right answer.
Destroy. The. Reapers.
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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 09:53
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Nauks wrote...
The point of the exorcise is to trick us, the player.7he Island Head wrote...
Then why mix in red and blue? It just that either paragon or renegrade loses, because there is only one right optionbalance5050 wrote...
7he Island Head wrote...
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps?
No the reapers lied. If you are paying attention you see through the lie.
And besides, a player who rigorously stays pure Paragon or Renegade might not be able to think outside the box enough to pass this test
As a result, Renegades win, judging by your words.
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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 09:56
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"Shepard" wins (or loses)Gorkan86 wrote...
Nauks wrote...
The point of the exorcise is to trick us, the player.7he Island Head wrote...
Then why mix in red and blue? It just that either paragon or renegrade loses, because there is only one right optionbalance5050 wrote...
7he Island Head wrote...
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps?
No the reapers lied. If you are paying attention you see through the lie.
And besides, a player who rigorously stays pure Paragon or Renegade might not be able to think outside the box enough to pass this test
As a result, Renegades win, judging by your words.
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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 09:57
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balance5050 wrote...
7he Island Head wrote...
Gorkan86 wrote...
OnelShot wrote...
How is that a problem with the indoctrination theory? That would be more of a problem with the game even though you can't really think of those decisions as an actual paragon or renegade decision
Like that.
See IT favors paragons!!!
IT favors destroying the reaper, color isn't what makes something paragon or renegade, it's only a means to an end, whether you're paragon or renegade. There is only one right answer.
Destroy. The. Reapers.
Read again, it says what it is, with yellow letters.
You're not going to argue with fundamentals of IT that are in this video?
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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 09:58
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Nauks wrote...
"Shepard" wins (or loses)Gorkan86 wrote...
Nauks wrote...
The point of the exorcise is to trick us, the player.7he Island Head wrote...
Then why mix in red and blue? It just that either paragon or renegrade loses, because there is only one right optionbalance5050 wrote...
7he Island Head wrote...
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps?
No the reapers lied. If you are paying attention you see through the lie.
And besides, a player who rigorously stays pure Paragon or Renegade might not be able to think outside the box enough to pass this test
As a result, Renegades win, judging by your words.
ME1 and ME2 both had viable renegade and paragon ending with their respective pros and cons. If the IT is true, the one group of players gets the short end of the stick!
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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 09:59
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Every time you pyramid-quote, Justin Beiber gets another role as a video game villain.
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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 09:59
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The biggest problem with those who hate IT; They don't understand IT.
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Posté 12 mai 2012 - 09:59
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[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
The biggest problem with the IT, is that control is a renegade option. That means that being a renegade is not a viable way to fight the reapers. If the IT is true is another unfair treatment of renegade players. Just like the rachni and everything else!
[/quote]
Destroy was considered the Renegade option.
[/quote]
In the IT is is flipped to confuse Shep. This means the IT supports that aragon Shep wins and renegade Shep loses.
[/quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote]
Nope. The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best, and that is why the destroy ending is red to confuse Shep. It's not about what you think. It is about what the IT theory says. And it says the renegade Sheps can't win.
[/quote]
I would need a link to this official IT theory and where you got this quote from
[quote]The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best[/quote]
Can't say I care either way, but I will have an argument with whoever made it.
[/quote]
http://www.youtube.c...FFhBn2U#t=3684s
Here is a link, it is only talked about for a few moments
[/quote]
That is merely a documentary.
Ignoring the colors as they don't matter.
What matters is what you do.
[quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote][/quote]
Then why did bioware color code the options?
[/quote]
Probably to weed out weak shepards.
A strong shepard will know what to do and will not be tricked by lies.
[/quote]
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps?
[/quote]
I would not say lied.
Weak shepards chose their own faith, their knowledge was lacking because they did not understand the Indoctrination examples presented to them throughout their journey.
[/quote]
But you did say lies!!!!
[/quote]
That was referring to what the Catalyst said.
Bioware was not lying, the Reapers were.
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
The biggest problem with the IT, is that control is a renegade option. That means that being a renegade is not a viable way to fight the reapers. If the IT is true is another unfair treatment of renegade players. Just like the rachni and everything else!
[/quote]
Destroy was considered the Renegade option.
[/quote]
In the IT is is flipped to confuse Shep. This means the IT supports that aragon Shep wins and renegade Shep loses.
[/quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote]
Nope. The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best, and that is why the destroy ending is red to confuse Shep. It's not about what you think. It is about what the IT theory says. And it says the renegade Sheps can't win.
[/quote]
I would need a link to this official IT theory and where you got this quote from
[quote]The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best[/quote]
Can't say I care either way, but I will have an argument with whoever made it.
[/quote]
http://www.youtube.c...FFhBn2U#t=3684s
Here is a link, it is only talked about for a few moments
[/quote]
That is merely a documentary.
Ignoring the colors as they don't matter.
What matters is what you do.
[quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote][/quote]
Then why did bioware color code the options?
[/quote]
Probably to weed out weak shepards.
A strong shepard will know what to do and will not be tricked by lies.
[/quote]
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps?
[/quote]
I would not say lied.
Weak shepards chose their own faith, their knowledge was lacking because they did not understand the Indoctrination examples presented to them throughout their journey.
[/quote]
But you did say lies!!!!
[/quote]
That was referring to what the Catalyst said.
Bioware was not lying, the Reapers were.
Modifié par Iwillbeback, 12 mai 2012 - 10:00 .
#45
Posté 12 mai 2012 - 10:00
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[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
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[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
The biggest problem with the IT, is that control is a renegade option. That means that being a renegade is not a viable way to fight the reapers. If the IT is true is another unfair treatment of renegade players. Just like the rachni and everything else!
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Destroy was considered the Renegade option.
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In the IT is is flipped to confuse Shep. This means the IT supports that aragon Shep wins and renegade Shep loses.
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I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
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Nope. The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best, and that is why the destroy ending is red to confuse Shep. It's not about what you think. It is about what the IT theory says. And it says the renegade Sheps can't win.
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I would need a link to this official IT theory and where you got this quote from
[quote]The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best[/quote]
Can't say I care either way, but I will have an argument with whoever made it.
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http://www.youtube.c...FFhBn2U#t=3684s
Here is a link, it is only talked about for a few moments
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That is merely a documentary.
Ignoring the colors as they don't matter.
What matters is what you do.
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I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
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Then why did bioware color code the options?
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Probably to weed out weak shepards.
A strong shepard will know what to do and will not be tricked by lies.
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So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps?
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I would not say lied.
Weak shepards chose their own faith, their knowledge was lacking because they did not understand the Indoctrination examples presented to them throughout their journey.
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But you did say lies!!!!
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That was referring to what the Catalyst said.
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Bioware wrote what the Catalyst said thought
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
The biggest problem with the IT, is that control is a renegade option. That means that being a renegade is not a viable way to fight the reapers. If the IT is true is another unfair treatment of renegade players. Just like the rachni and everything else!
[/quote]
Destroy was considered the Renegade option.
[/quote]
In the IT is is flipped to confuse Shep. This means the IT supports that aragon Shep wins and renegade Shep loses.
[/quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote]
Nope. The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best, and that is why the destroy ending is red to confuse Shep. It's not about what you think. It is about what the IT theory says. And it says the renegade Sheps can't win.
[/quote]
I would need a link to this official IT theory and where you got this quote from
[quote]The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best[/quote]
Can't say I care either way, but I will have an argument with whoever made it.
[/quote]
http://www.youtube.c...FFhBn2U#t=3684s
Here is a link, it is only talked about for a few moments
[/quote]
That is merely a documentary.
Ignoring the colors as they don't matter.
What matters is what you do.
[quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
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Then why did bioware color code the options?
[/quote]
Probably to weed out weak shepards.
A strong shepard will know what to do and will not be tricked by lies.
[/quote]
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps?
[/quote]
I would not say lied.
Weak shepards chose their own faith, their knowledge was lacking because they did not understand the Indoctrination examples presented to them throughout their journey.
[/quote]
But you did say lies!!!!
[/quote]
That was referring to what the Catalyst said.
[/quote]
Bioware wrote what the Catalyst said thought
#46
Posté 12 mai 2012 - 10:01
Gorkan86
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7he Island Head wrote...
Nauks wrote...
"Shepard" wins (or loses)Gorkan86 wrote...
Nauks wrote...
The point of the exorcise is to trick us, the player.7he Island Head wrote...
Then why mix in red and blue? It just that either paragon or renegrade loses, because there is only one right optionbalance5050 wrote...
7he Island Head wrote...
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps?
No the reapers lied. If you are paying attention you see through the lie.
And besides, a player who rigorously stays pure Paragon or Renegade might not be able to think outside the box enough to pass this test
As a result, Renegades win, judging by your words.
ME1 and ME2 both had viable renegade and paragon ending with their respective pros and cons. If the IT is true, the one group of players gets the short end of the stick!
I'm sure ITers find a way to circumvent this.
#47
Posté 12 mai 2012 - 10:01
balance5050
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Gorkan86 wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
7he Island Head wrote...
Gorkan86 wrote...
OnelShot wrote...
How is that a problem with the indoctrination theory? That would be more of a problem with the game even though you can't really think of those decisions as an actual paragon or renegade decision
Like that.
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See IT favors paragons!!!
IT favors destroying the reaper, color isn't what makes something paragon or renegade, it's only a means to an end, whether you're paragon or renegade. There is only one right answer.
Destroy. The. Reapers.
Read again, it says what it is, with yellow letters.
You're not going to argue with fundamentals of IT that are in this video?
The video says "according to their values". Paragon or Renegade shouldn't have any bearing on this choice because if you've been paying attention, there is only ONE right choice no matter if you're a paragon or renegade.
#48
Posté 12 mai 2012 - 10:02
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[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
The biggest problem with the IT, is that control is a renegade option. That means that being a renegade is not a viable way to fight the reapers. If the IT is true is another unfair treatment of renegade players. Just like the rachni and everything else!
[/quote]
Destroy was considered the Renegade option.
[/quote]
In the IT is is flipped to confuse Shep. This means the IT supports that aragon Shep wins and renegade Shep loses.
[/quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote]
Nope. The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best, and that is why the destroy ending is red to confuse Shep. It's not about what you think. It is about what the IT theory says. And it says the renegade Sheps can't win.
[/quote]
I would need a link to this official IT theory and where you got this quote from
[quote]The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best[/quote]
Can't say I care either way, but I will have an argument with whoever made it.
[/quote]
http://www.youtube.c...FFhBn2U#t=3684s
Here is a link, it is only talked about for a few moments
[/quote]
That is merely a documentary.
Ignoring the colors as they don't matter.
What matters is what you do.
[quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
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Then why did bioware color code the options?
[/quote]
Probably to weed out weak shepards.
A strong shepard will know what to do and will not be tricked by lies.
[/quote]
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps?
[/quote]
I would not say lied.
Weak shepards chose their own faith, their knowledge was lacking because they did not understand the Indoctrination examples presented to them throughout their journey.
[/quote]
But you did say lies!!!!
[/quote]
That was referring to what the Catalyst said.
[/quote]
Bioware wrote what the Catalyst said thought
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Doesn't mean Bioware was lying.
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
[quote]Iwillbeback wrote...
[quote]7he Island Head wrote...
The biggest problem with the IT, is that control is a renegade option. That means that being a renegade is not a viable way to fight the reapers. If the IT is true is another unfair treatment of renegade players. Just like the rachni and everything else!
[/quote]
Destroy was considered the Renegade option.
[/quote]
In the IT is is flipped to confuse Shep. This means the IT supports that aragon Shep wins and renegade Shep loses.
[/quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote]
Nope. The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best, and that is why the destroy ending is red to confuse Shep. It's not about what you think. It is about what the IT theory says. And it says the renegade Sheps can't win.
[/quote]
I would need a link to this official IT theory and where you got this quote from
[quote]The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best[/quote]
Can't say I care either way, but I will have an argument with whoever made it.
[/quote]
http://www.youtube.c...FFhBn2U#t=3684s
Here is a link, it is only talked about for a few moments
[/quote]
That is merely a documentary.
Ignoring the colors as they don't matter.
What matters is what you do.
[quote]
I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote][/quote]
Then why did bioware color code the options?
[/quote]
Probably to weed out weak shepards.
A strong shepard will know what to do and will not be tricked by lies.
[/quote]
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps?
[/quote]
I would not say lied.
Weak shepards chose their own faith, their knowledge was lacking because they did not understand the Indoctrination examples presented to them throughout their journey.
[/quote]
But you did say lies!!!!
[/quote]
That was referring to what the Catalyst said.
[/quote]
Bioware wrote what the Catalyst said thought
[/quote]
Doesn't mean Bioware was lying.
#49
Posté 12 mai 2012 - 10:02
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Renegade Red represents chaos. Rejecting the Reapers`will is you dirupting their order.
Paragon Blue represent idealism. Believing you can control the Reapers without anything going wrong is the highest (and most ridiculous) form of idealism.
That`s why the colours are the way they are, and fit with the IT theory.
Paragon Blue represent idealism. Believing you can control the Reapers without anything going wrong is the highest (and most ridiculous) form of idealism.
That`s why the colours are the way they are, and fit with the IT theory.
Modifié par grey_wind, 12 mai 2012 - 10:02 .
#50
Posté 12 mai 2012 - 10:02
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elecmanexe001 wrote...
The biggest problem with those who hate IT; They don't understand IT.
