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[7he Island Head]

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The biggest problem with the IT, is that control is a renegade option. That means that being a renegade is not a viable way to fight the reapers. If the IT is true is another unfair treatment of renegade players. Just like the rachni and everything else!
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Destroy was considered the Renegade option.

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In the IT is is flipped to confuse Shep. This means the IT supports that aragon Shep wins and renegade Shep loses.
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I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.

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Nope. The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best, and that is why the destroy ending is red to confuse Shep. It's not about what you think. It is about what the IT theory says. And it says the renegade Sheps can't win.

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I would need a link to this official IT theory and where you got this quote from

[quote]The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best[/quote]


Can't say I care  either way, but I will have an argument with whoever made it.
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http://www.youtube.c...FFhBn2U#t=3684s
Here is a link, it is only  talked about for a few moments

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That is merely a documentary.
Ignoring the colors as they don't matter.
What matters is what you do.

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I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
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Then why did bioware color code the options? 

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Probably to weed out weak shepards.
A strong shepard will know what to do and will not be tricked by lies.

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So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps? 

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I would not say lied.
Weak shepards chose their own faith, their knowledge was lacking because they did not understand the Indoctrination examples presented to them throughout their journey.


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But you did say lies!!!!

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That was referring to what the Catalyst said.

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Bioware wrote what the Catalyst said thought 

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Doesn't mean Bioware was lying.

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They were lying via proxy!

[elecmanexe001]

Gorkan86 wrote...

I'm sure ITers find a way to circumvent this.

*Bases enitre game on choosing a single color*

*Complains endings are just re-colors*

It's not screwing anyone over because they are paragon or renagade... you are screwing youself if you go against your gola, over the entire series, to destroy the repers by instead trying to control them.

[Humakt83]

Quote Wars. A new action-scifi movie provided by BSN forumists.

[Nauks]

7he Island Head wrote...

Nauks wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Nauks wrote...

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balance5050 wrote...

7he Island Head wrote...

So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps? 

No the reapers lied. If you are paying attention you see through the lie.

Then why mix in red and blue? It just that either paragon or renegrade loses, because there is only one right option

The point of the exorcise is to trick us, the player.
And besides, a player who rigorously stays pure Paragon or Renegade might not be able to think outside the box enough to pass this test

As a result, Renegades win, judging by your words.

"Shepard" wins (or loses)

ME1 and ME2 both had viable renegade and paragon ending with their respective pros and cons. If the IT is true, the one group of players gets the short end of the stick!

People who are offended by this and fail to see the bigger picture will just have to lean to deal.

Modifié par Nauks, 12 mai 2012 - 10:07 .

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elecmanexe001 wrote...

The biggest problem with those who hate IT; They don't understand IT.

Or want too.

I'm gonna bet, it has more to do with lacking the ability to see beyond the confines, of the itsy-bitsy world they live in.

[Iwillbeback]

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The biggest problem with the IT, is that control is a renegade option. That means that being a renegade is not a viable way to fight the reapers. If the IT is true is another unfair treatment of renegade players. Just like the rachni and everything else!
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Destroy was considered the Renegade option.

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In the IT is is flipped to confuse Shep. This means the IT supports that aragon Shep wins and renegade Shep loses.
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I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.

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Nope. The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best, and that is why the destroy ending is red to confuse Shep. It's not about what you think. It is about what the IT theory says. And it says the renegade Sheps can't win.

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I would need a link to this official IT theory and where you got this quote from

[quote]The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best[/quote]


Can't say I care  either way, but I will have an argument with whoever made it.
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http://www.youtube.c...FFhBn2U#t=3684s
Here is a link, it is only  talked about for a few moments

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That is merely a documentary.
Ignoring the colors as they don't matter.
What matters is what you do.

[quote]

I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
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Then why did bioware color code the options? 

[/quote]

Probably to weed out weak shepards.
A strong shepard will know what to do and will not be tricked by lies.

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So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps? 

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I would not say lied.
Weak shepards chose their own faith, their knowledge was lacking because they did not understand the Indoctrination examples presented to them throughout their journey.


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But you did say lies!!!!

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That was referring to what the Catalyst said.

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Bioware wrote what the Catalyst said thought 

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Doesn't mean Bioware was lying.

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They were lying via proxy!

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Probably, though I can't say I care as my shepards are all strong.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

ohupthis wrote...

elecmanexe001 wrote...

The biggest problem with those who hate IT; They don't understand IT.

Or want too.

I'm gonna bet, it has more to do with lacking the ability to see beyond the confines, of the itsy-bitsy world they live in.

How so?

[Chevreau]

Valentia X wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

No, the biggest problem with IT is that it's 215% speculation.

Yep. It's a cluster of hypotheses that have yet to be definitely proven.

I see what you did there.

Anyway, as several people have said, every Shepard had the same mission regardless of their paragon/renegade path: blow the reapers to hell. There is nothing paragon or renegade about picking the destroy option. Forget the colors.

[7he Island Head]

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The biggest problem with the IT, is that control is a renegade option. That means that being a renegade is not a viable way to fight the reapers. If the IT is true is another unfair treatment of renegade players. Just like the rachni and everything else!
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Destroy was considered the Renegade option.

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In the IT is is flipped to confuse Shep. This means the IT supports that aragon Shep wins and renegade Shep loses.
[/quote]

I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.

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Nope. The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best, and that is why the destroy ending is red to confuse Shep. It's not about what you think. It is about what the IT theory says. And it says the renegade Sheps can't win.

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I would need a link to this official IT theory and where you got this quote from

[quote]The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best[/quote]


Can't say I care  either way, but I will have an argument with whoever made it.
[/quote]

http://www.youtube.c...FFhBn2U#t=3684s
Here is a link, it is only  talked about for a few moments

[/quote]

That is merely a documentary.
Ignoring the colors as they don't matter.
What matters is what you do.

[quote]

I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
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Then why did bioware color code the options? 

[/quote]

Probably to weed out weak shepards.
A strong shepard will know what to do and will not be tricked by lies.

[/quote]
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps? 

[/quote]

I would not say lied.
Weak shepards chose their own faith, their knowledge was lacking because they did not understand the Indoctrination examples presented to them throughout their journey.


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But you did say lies!!!!

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That was referring to what the Catalyst said.

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Bioware wrote what the Catalyst said thought 

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Doesn't mean Bioware was lying.

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They were lying via proxy!

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Probably, though I can't say I care as my shepards are all strong.

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Or you mean that they all took the red option, or the paragon optition under the IT labels 

[elecmanexe001]

ohupthis wrote...

elecmanexe001 wrote...

The biggest problem with those who hate IT; They don't understand IT.

Or want too.

I'm gonna bet, it has more to do with lacking the ability to see beyond the confines, of the itsy-bitsy world they live in.

I should rephrase though, some who hate it. There are others who can disagree without telling someone they are wrong to actually admit, as well I know I do, that it is only a possibility among many and may or may not happen and we are discussing rather how likely it is to happen instead of why it can or can not happen.

[Gorkan86]

balance5050 wrote...

The video says "according to their values". Paragon or Renegade shouldn't have any bearing on this choice because if you've been paying attention, there is only ONE right choice no matter if you're a paragon or renegade.

The second sentence refers to the first, do not pluck a phrase.
They reapers want exactly what ACAVYOS describes, in developing the theory.

[vurtual3]

The biggest problem with IT is that it isn't in ME3. I guess that's a problem to people who really want it to be because they don't like synthesis (which was explained ,for want of a better word ,really poorly imo but also imo was clearly meant to be a good ending). But mostly it's a problem because Shep is not indoctrinated!

[7he Island Head]

Chevreau wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

No, the biggest problem with IT is that it's 215% speculation.

Yep. It's a cluster of hypotheses that have yet to be definitely proven.

I see what you did there.

Anyway, as several people have said, every Shepard had the same mission regardless of their paragon/renegade path: blow the reapers to hell. There is nothing paragon or renegade about picking the destroy option. Forget the colors.

I can't go color blind. Nor can I forget that red and blue are associated with a core mechanic of gameplay and story telling, that being the renegrade/paragon points. 

[Darth_Trethon]

Kaelef wrote...

No, the biggest problem with IT is that it's 215% speculation.

Or is it? As per the Final Hours app BioWare fully intended to make a sequence at the end of the game where the player would lose control of Shepard who would fall under reaper influence.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

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Modifié par ohupthis, 12 mai 2012 - 10:28 .

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grey_wind wrote...

Renegade Red represents chaos. Rejecting the Reapers`will is you dirupting their order.
Paragon Blue represent idealism. Believing you can control the Reapers without anything going wrong is the highest (and most ridiculous) form of idealism.
That`s why the colours are the way they are, and fit with the IT theory.

Excuse me,but IT has nothing to do with perty colors my good man.................

I'm a firm well grounded individual, that's actually understands where IT is founded, as for the PAR/REG option, that went out the airlock the second that twit showed his snippy little face.

I went into this mess lookin' to off some Reapers, however that happens is how it was intended. DESTROY!!!

[balance5050]

Gorkan86 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

The video says "according to their values". Paragon or Renegade shouldn't have any bearing on this choice because if you've been paying attention, there is only ONE right choice no matter if you're a paragon or renegade.

The second sentence refers to the first, do not pluck a phrase.
They reapers want exactly what ACAVYOS describes, in developing the theory.

The hell? it's just one mans interpretation, he doesn't work for Bioware.

[Iwillbeback]

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The biggest problem with the IT, is that control is a renegade option. That means that being a renegade is not a viable way to fight the reapers. If the IT is true is another unfair treatment of renegade players. Just like the rachni and everything else!
   [/quote]


Destroy was considered the Renegade option.

[/quote]
In the IT is is flipped to confuse Shep. This means the IT supports that aragon Shep wins and renegade Shep loses.
[/quote]

I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.

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Nope. The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best, and that is why the destroy ending is red to confuse Shep. It's not about what you think. It is about what the IT theory says. And it says the renegade Sheps can't win.

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I would need a link to this official IT theory and where you got this quote from

[quote]The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best[/quote]


Can't say I care  either way, but I will have an argument with whoever made it.
[/quote]

http://www.youtube.c...FFhBn2U#t=3684s
Here is a link, it is only  talked about for a few moments

[/quote]

That is merely a documentary.
Ignoring the colors as they don't matter.
What matters is what you do.

[quote]

I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
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Then why did bioware color code the options? 

[/quote]

Probably to weed out weak shepards.
A strong shepard will know what to do and will not be tricked by lies.

[/quote]
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps? 

[/quote]

I would not say lied.
Weak shepards chose their own faith, their knowledge was lacking because they did not understand the Indoctrination examples presented to them throughout their journey.


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But you did say lies!!!!

[/quote]

That was referring to what the Catalyst said.

[/quote]
Bioware wrote what the Catalyst said thought 

[/quote]

Doesn't mean Bioware was lying.

[/quote]
They were lying via proxy!

[/quote]

Probably, though I can't say I care as my shepards are all strong.

[/quote]
Or you mean that they all took the red option, or the paragon optition under the IT labels 

[/quote]

Some indoctrinated shepard may consider it Renegade, some strong shepard's may consider it Paragon.
It is what it is. a way to say no.
Doesn't matter what color is coming out of it a strong shepard will know what to do after listening to the Catalyst.

[elecmanexe001]

7he Island Head wrote...

Chevreau wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

No, the biggest problem with IT is that it's 215% speculation.

Yep. It's a cluster of hypotheses that have yet to be definitely proven.

I see what you did there.

Anyway, as several people have said, every Shepard had the same mission regardless of their paragon/renegade path: blow the reapers to hell. There is nothing paragon or renegade about picking the destroy option. Forget the colors.

I can't go color blind. Nor can I forget that red and blue are associated with a core mechanic of gameplay and story telling, that being the renegrade/paragon points. 

The main reason IT has the theory of renegade and paragon not mattering or being reversed is due to the fact that Shepard lives in the red one. So people are throwing out the conventional wisdom the game has given us based on color to actually think about their actions. You can argue blue should be this and red should be that, but people are looking at it from a results point of view not color point of view. Regardless looking at it from a color point of view, you get the best ending with red, renagade, and paragon is screwed with or without IT.

[balance5050]

THE TEXT PYRAMIDS, THEY BURN!!!!


edit them out folks!!!!

[vurtual3]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

No, the biggest problem with IT is that it's 215% speculation.

Or is it? As per the Final Hours app BioWare fully intended to make a sequence at the end of the game where the player would lose control of Shepard who would fall under reaper influence.

And you honestly think Shep wouldn't have come through that sequence,beat it, and gone on to the crucible?

[Kaelef]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

No, the biggest problem with IT is that it's 215% speculation.

Or is it? As per the Final Hours app BioWare fully intended to make a sequence at the end of the game where the player would lose control of Shepard who would fall under reaper influence.

Yes. But. They. Didn't. Do. That.

[jijeebo]

When they said we couldn't defeat the repears with conventional means... They obviously hadn't seen the giant quote-pyramids we have at our disposal.


Cower in fear Harbinger... We are coming.

[7he Island Head]

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The biggest problem with the IT, is that control is a renegade option. That means that being a renegade is not a viable way to fight the reapers. If the IT is true is another unfair treatment of renegade players. Just like the rachni and everything else!
   [/quote]


Destroy was considered the Renegade option.

[/quote]
In the IT is is flipped to confuse Shep. This means the IT supports that aragon Shep wins and renegade Shep loses.
[/quote]

I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.

[/quote]
Nope. The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best, and that is why the destroy ending is red to confuse Shep. It's not about what you think. It is about what the IT theory says. And it says the renegade Sheps can't win.

[/quote]

I would need a link to this official IT theory and where you got this quote from

[quote]The IT theory assumes that paragon options are always the best[/quote]


Can't say I care  either way, but I will have an argument with whoever made it.
[/quote]

http://www.youtube.c...FFhBn2U#t=3684s
Here is a link, it is only  talked about for a few moments

[/quote]

That is merely a documentary.
Ignoring the colors as they don't matter.
What matters is what you do.

[quote]

I don't see it as Renegade or Paragon or Neutral.
A shepard that succumbs to the will of the Reapers will always lose.
A shepard who stands his ground and knows what to do will survive and have a chance to destroy the Reapers.
[/quote][/quote]
Then why did bioware color code the options? 

[/quote]

Probably to weed out weak shepards.
A strong shepard will know what to do and will not be tricked by lies.

[/quote]
So you're saying that Bioware lied to the players? Just to weed out weak Sheps? 

[/quote]

I would not say lied.
Weak shepards chose their own faith, their knowledge was lacking because they did not understand the Indoctrination examples presented to them throughout their journey.


[/quote]
But you did say lies!!!!

[/quote]

That was referring to what the Catalyst said.

[/quote]
Bioware wrote what the Catalyst said thought 

[/quote]

Doesn't mean Bioware was lying.

[/quote]
They were lying via proxy!

[/quote]

Probably, though I can't say I care as my shepards are all strong.

[/quote]
Or you mean that they all took the red option, or the paragon optition under the IT labels 

[/quote]

Some indoctrinated shepard may consider it Renegade, some strong shepard's may consider it Paragon.
It is what it is. a way to say no.
Doesn't matter what color is coming out of it a strong shepard will know what to do after listening to the Catalyst.

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I think the red option is a paragon option. They show you Anderson in the destroy option, and he is a paragon. Why reject the reengade/paragon system in the last minute of the game? If it wasn't renegade/paragon they could have used different colors.

[Darth_Trethon]

vurtual3 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Kaelef wrote...

No, the biggest problem with IT is that it's 215% speculation.

Or is it? As per the Final Hours app BioWare fully intended to make a sequence at the end of the game where the player would lose control of Shepard who would fall under reaper influence.

And you honestly think Shep wouldn't have come through that sequence,beat it, and gone on to the crucible?

I never said Shepard wouldn't come through it. I simply said this was intended.....they may not have had the time to finish it, planned to fix it and simply grossly underestimated the proportion of the lashback they would face.