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[Iakus]

There's been a lot of debate about whether Shepard should survive in ME3.  I've been tossing around an idea in my head and wonder what others thing.

Maybe Shepard's survival could be tied to EMS, in-game choices, and the color ending.

Consider:

Red:  

Low EMS:  Poorly made Crucible. Shepard dies in a red fireball, all geth and EDI die as well

Medium EMS:  Crucible is better calibrated.  Shepard can survive based on choices made (reflecting an strong will to live).  EDI dies, geth population devastated

High EMS: Crucible optimized  Shepard lives.  EDI can live if she is "humanized" Geth population hit hard but not totally exterminated

Blue:

Low EMS:  Crucible not well constructed, Shepard is electrocuted.  His/her dying thoughts send the Reapers "away"  The galaxy is saved for the time being.  But there is no guarantee the Reapers won't return someday

High EMS:  Crucible optimized Shepard physically dies, but is uploaded into the Citadel as a fully functional AI.  Although much of Shepard's humanity is lost, his /her memories and values are still more or less intact.  Shepard now has complete control over the Reapers, and a final series of choices determine what Shep does with them.  Possible options:  rebuild the relays, conquer the galaxy, maintain as a peacekeeping force, return to darkspace, explore beyond the bounds of Citadel space.


Green 

Shepard dies regardless of EMS, it is the Ultimate Sacrifice.  Only change being the process and results are better explained.

This way, depending on the ending, Shepard can live, die, or become a transcendant being.  All based on player choice.

I admit it's  a pretty rough outline, and likely needs work.  But what do you think?

[Firecell11]

There should be only destoy ending tied on EMS etc etc IMO

[Apathy1989]

Better than what we got.

[Iakus]

Apathy1989 wrote...

Better than what we got.

Thanks, but that's really not saying much...

[Subject M]

iakus wrote...

There's been a lot of debate about whether Shepard should survive in ME3.  I've been tossing around an idea in my head and wonder what others thing.

Maybe Shepard's survival could be tied to EMS, in-game choices, and the color ending.

Consider:

Red:  

Low EMS:  Poorly made Crucible. Shepard dies in a red fireball, all geth and EDI die as well

Medium EMS:  Crucible is better calibrated.  Shepard can survive based on choices made (reflecting an strong will to live).  EDI dies, geth population devastated

High EMS: Crucible optimized  Shepard lives.  EDI can live if she is "humanized" Geth population hit hard but not totally exterminated

Blue:

Low EMS:  Crucible not well constructed, Shepard is electrocuted.  His/her dying thoughts send the Reapers "away"  The galaxy is saved for the time being.  But there is no guarantee the Reapers won't return someday

High EMS:  Crucible optimized Shepard physically dies, but is uploaded into the Citadel as a fully functional AI.  Although much of Shepard's humanity is lost, his /her memories and values are still more or less intact.  Shepard now has complete control over the Reapers, and a final series of choices determine what Shep does with them.  Possible options:  rebuild the relays, conquer the galaxy, maintain as a peacekeeping force, return to darkspace, explore beyond the bounds of Citadel space.


Green 

Shepard dies regardless of EMS, it is the Ultimate Sacrifice.  Only change being the process and results are better explained.

This way, depending on the ending, Shepard can live, die, or become a transcendant being.  All based on player choice.

I admit it's  a pretty rough outline, and likely needs work.  But what do you think?

Its a fair solution given you have ony the 3 main options (wich is problematic).
But basically I approve. I Highly calibrated crucible should target reaper signatures, of course this would revert the Geth back to "pre-upgrade" status, back to being a collective free from individuals (each Geth platform is now a Terminal or avatar of "the Geth"). But having had the reaper upgrade might give them a clue on how to develop and what to look for in the future.

Modifié par Subject M, 15 mai 2012 - 06:38 .

[Iakus]

Subject M wrote...

Its a fair solution given you have ony the 3 main options (wich is problematic).
But basically I approve. I Highly calibrated crucible should target reaper signatures, of course this would revert the Geth back to "pre-upgrade" status, back to being a collective free from individuals (each Geth platform is now a Terminal or avatar of "the Geth"). But having had the reaper upgrade might give them a clue on how to develop and what to look for in the future.

That's another fair assessment of what the Red ending could do.  The geth become a consensus once more, but knowing individuality is possible, can perhaps recreate it on their own.  Legion's sacrifice would not be wholly in vain.

I went with killing the geth because the Catalyst outright says it would destroy all synthetic life "including the geth" I figured the effects could be mitigated by alterations in the code the geth may have performed to further differentiate themselves.  in a mid-EMS ending, only the farthest outliers of the original code would be saved, a high EMS a larger segment could be saved.  EDI is likely more reliant on Reaper code to differentiate herself from her original "rogue VI" persona, so she's only saved if you actively encourage her to develop her individuality.

[David7204]

Sure. As long as Shepard has a chance to keep those promises.

[Iwillbeback]

I have no opinion on this matter.

[The Night Mammoth]

Or -

Low EMS - Shepard has to stay behind on the Citadel to use the Crucible.

Middle EMS - Anderson or Shepard can do it, regular epilogues play.

Very very high EMS, maxed out - Both can survive if Shepard is chosen. Normandy saves him. Extended epilogues.

[azerSheppard]

or you take the game with it's discs (or put it on a flashdrive if it's origin) and take a dump on it.

[Iakus]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Or -

Low EMS - Shepard has to stay behind on the Citadel to use the Crucible.

Middle EMS - Anderson or Shepard can do it, regular epilogues play.

Very very high EMS, maxed out - Both can survive if Shepard is chosen. Normandy saves him. Extended epilogues.

Ooh, I like that idea.  At least for the Red ending

@azerShepard.  No way.  For one thing, that's a waste of a perfectly good flash drive 

[Subject M]

iakus wrote...

Subject M wrote...

Its a fair solution given you have ony the 3 main options (wich is problematic).
But basically I approve. I Highly calibrated crucible should target reaper signatures, of course this would revert the Geth back to "pre-upgrade" status, back to being a collective free from individuals (each Geth platform is now a Terminal or avatar of "the Geth"). But having had the reaper upgrade might give them a clue on how to develop and what to look for in the future.

That's another fair assessment of what the Red ending could do.  The geth become a consensus once more, but knowing individuality is possible, can perhaps recreate it on their own.  Legion's sacrifice would not be wholly in vain.

I went with killing the geth because the Catalyst outright says it would destroy all synthetic life "including the geth" I figured the effects could be mitigated by alterations in the code the geth may have performed to further differentiate themselves.  in a mid-EMS ending, only the farthest outliers of the original code would be saved, a high EMS a larger segment could be saved.  EDI is likely more reliant on Reaper code to differentiate herself from her original "rogue VI" persona, so she's only saved if you actively encourage her to develop her individuality.

If the crucible was made to destroy the Reapers (I wonder how..but that is another matter)and the catalyst willingly helps you (for some reason), telling you how to do it (shooting on a tube?! Really?!! No button or something?) there should have been an option to target Reaper signatures specifically.

With the catalyst controlling the reapers and apparently willing to destroy them (and itself ?) without solving the problem it has been spent countless cycles trying to manage, it seems the crucible itself is possibly not really even needed - as long as the catalyst can control the Reapers, order them away or even shut them down. (works especially well with a solution where the catalyst is persuaded to give the younger races a chance to prevent a extinction war by themselves and creating their own future).

[Subject M]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Or -

Low EMS - Shepard has to stay behind on the Citadel to use the Crucible.

Middle EMS - Anderson or Shepard can do it, regular epilogues play.

Very very high EMS, maxed out - Both can survive if Shepard is chosen. Normandy saves him. Extended epilogues.

I think some sort of sacrifice is required not to cheapen the ending. If both Anderson and Shepard survives, Hackett needs to go down with his ship in some heroic way covering the evacuation of the crucible.

[Subject M]

Anyone else?

[Omanisat]

I've always thought the quality of the ending should have been dependent on your EMS, so I like.

I'd further stipulate that the optimal ending should be achievable with only single player.

[The Night Mammoth]

Subject M wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Or -

Low EMS - Shepard has to stay behind on the Citadel to use the Crucible.

Middle EMS - Anderson or Shepard can do it, regular epilogues play.

Very very high EMS, maxed out - Both can survive if Shepard is chosen. Normandy saves him. Extended epilogues.

I think some sort of sacrifice is required not to cheapen the ending. If both Anderson and Shepard survives, Hackett needs to go down with his ship in some heroic way covering the evacuation of the crucible.

I can't imagine anything more cheap than forcing a sacrifice to add emotional impact just because. 

[Subject M]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Subject M wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Or -

Low EMS - Shepard has to stay behind on the Citadel to use the Crucible.

Middle EMS - Anderson or Shepard can do it, regular epilogues play.

Very very high EMS, maxed out - Both can survive if Shepard is chosen. Normandy saves him. Extended epilogues.

I think some sort of sacrifice is required not to cheapen the ending. If both Anderson and Shepard survives, Hackett needs to go down with his ship in some heroic way covering the evacuation of the crucible.

I can't imagine anything more cheap than forcing a sacrifice to add emotional impact just because. 

Agreed. But in this case its about appropriate cost.

[unoriginalname1133]

Subject M wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Subject M wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Or -

Low EMS - Shepard has to stay behind on the Citadel to use the Crucible.

Middle EMS - Anderson or Shepard can do it, regular epilogues play.

Very very high EMS, maxed out - Both can survive if Shepard is chosen. Normandy saves him. Extended epilogues.

I think some sort of sacrifice is required not to cheapen the ending. If both Anderson and Shepard survives, Hackett needs to go down with his ship in some heroic way covering the evacuation of the crucible.

I can't imagine anything more cheap than forcing a sacrifice to add emotional impact just because. 

Agreed. But in this case its about appropriate cost.

I agree with both of you. There SHOULD be an appropriate cost. And there already was. Millions have already died fighting the Reapers, no matter what you do, so the ending won't be all happy-go-lucky regardless. If we are approaching this issue from a perspective of realism, killing few extra people (Shepard and other principle characters) shouldn't tip the scale from "cheap unearned victory" to "respectable cost." This is especially true if the characters have to die for some contrived reason like they do right now. There is too much nonsense involved in activating a machine that is apparently powered by suicide for me to respect any noble sacrifice.

[Subject M]

Damn it!