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[Sidney]

legion999 wrote...

I honestly have no idea why some are so againist a happy ending.

Why are so many against a dark ending? That is the real question. If we'd gotten a DAO type ending no one would be griping. It is the fact that we got a dark ending that has so many up in arms.

[Ihatebadgames]

Nothing is wrong with a happy ending.

[kkr]

I feel, and will always feel, if tou worked hard for happy ending than you should be presented with it and the same goes for neutral and horrible endings. Regardless of what the people who are against it say. The truth is pretending that happy endings are unrealistic is in its self unrealistic because everything does not end badly.

[AlanC9]

Han Shot First wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
This is simply false. What he says is that all synthetic life will be destroyed, including the geth, on the red path. He says nothing whatsoever about Reaper tech being destroyed, on that path or any other.

If the Crucible destroys synthetics, than it also destroys all Reaper tech.

You're going to have to show me your work on that one.

In fact we know it destroys Reaper tech in general, because it also fries the relays. It isn't just targeting AI servers and platforms. Besides, short of space magic how could the survival of some Reaper tech be explained when other Reaper tech is clearly destroyed? What seperates the two?

This makes no sense. Synthetics don't die if you choose Control or Synthesis. The Crucible targets synthetic life if you choose to do so. Any use of the Crucible blows up the relays. Two different things.

His dialogue indicates that they aren't spacefaring people. A crucial hint is that he says that the events of the Shepard trilogy have been largely lost to time. Information decay would not happen in a modern, industrialized age where we have the ability to print books or preserve information on hard drives. That his people lost that ability to preserve their history, indicates a technological decline.

Like I said upthread, his planet's a backwater; no QEC, I guess. But from what he says they do have space travel again.

(Shouldn't we be placing bets here for what happens in the EC? You know I'm right about all this, don't you?)

Edit: I'll bet first. My bet is that everything I said here will be shown to be true. In addition, Shepard will be able to reunite with his companions if you chose the red ending and have sufficient EMS. So if genocide's your cup of tea, go for it. 500 Bio points for stakes?

Modifié par AlanC9, 13 mai 2012 - 03:29 .

[slimgrin]

AlanC9 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

WTF does a happy ending have anything to do with the monumental incompetence of writing in ME3?

Nothing much. What does your post have to do with this thread?

Well my point is this: let's put aside the fake controversy invented by Bioware to blur valid criticism. It's not at all about the ending being happy, it's about the ending being linear, nonsensical, and forced. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 13 mai 2012 - 03:28 .

[AlanC9]

slimgrin wrote...
Well my point is this: let's put aside the fake controversy invented by Bioware to blur valid criticism. It's not at all about the ending being happy, it's about the ending being linear, nonsensical, and forced. 

Where'd you get "invented by Bioware"? Did they start this "happy ending" thread, or the other one? I wouldn't know; I came in on page 2.

The issue seems real enough to me. Obviously -- that's why I dropped by the thread.

Modifié par AlanC9, 13 mai 2012 - 03:32 .

[Chromie]

Sidney wrote...

legion999 wrote...

I honestly have no idea why some are so againist a happy ending.

Why are so many against a dark ending? That is the real question. If we'd gotten a DAO type ending no one would be griping. It is the fact that we got a dark ending that has so many up in arms.

I just want a logical ending.

[Iakus]

Skelter192 wrote...

Sidney wrote...

legion999 wrote...

I honestly have no idea why some are so againist a happy ending.

Why are so many against a dark ending? That is the real question. If we'd gotten a DAO type ending no one would be griping. It is the fact that we got a dark ending that has so many up in arms.

I just want a logical ending.

I gave up on that when it was announced that EC isn't going to change or add any new endings.  The Catalyst and RGB are here to stay.

So the next best thing to me is an upbeat ending.  That's where I'm drawing my line.

[iamthedave3]

iakus wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

Sidney wrote...

legion999 wrote...

I honestly have no idea why some are so againist a happy ending.

Why are so many against a dark ending? That is the real question. If we'd gotten a DAO type ending no one would be griping. It is the fact that we got a dark ending that has so many up in arms.

I just want a logical ending.

I gave up on that when it was announced that EC isn't going to change or add any new endings.  The Catalyst and RGB are here to stay.

So the next best thing to me is an upbeat ending.  That's where I'm drawing my line.

So when the EC comes out will you require kleenex, prozac, or ammo?

[Iakus]

iamthedave3 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

Sidney wrote...

legion999 wrote...

I honestly have no idea why some are so againist a happy ending.

Why are so many against a dark ending? That is the real question. If we'd gotten a DAO type ending no one would be griping. It is the fact that we got a dark ending that has so many up in arms.

I just want a logical ending.

I gave up on that when it was announced that EC isn't going to change or add any new endings.  The Catalyst and RGB are here to stay.

So the next best thing to me is an upbeat ending.  That's where I'm drawing my line.

So when the EC comes out will you require kleenex, prozac, or ammo?

That remains to be seen...

[iamthedave3]

Righty-ho. I'll keep all three on standby.

[Electavire]

Because happy endings are SO mainstream

[Sal86]

There's nothing wrong with any type of ending provided it is well portrayed and preferably cathartic.

[historybrat]

Sidney wrote...

legion999 wrote...

I honestly have no idea why some are so againist a happy ending.

Why are so many against a dark ending? That is the real question. If we'd gotten a DAO type ending no one would be griping. It is the fact that we got a dark ending that has so many up in arms.

I wouldn't presume to speak for everyone, but the reason I am against the "dark" ending is that it was our only choice. For a franchise built on choice, in the end we had none. You pretty much die no matter what. I know some people really like this, but I would have preferred that my choices matter. 

Plus when I know that no matter what I choose, no matter what actions I take, that I am going to die no matter what  it decreases the replay value for me. I loved replaying the other games in the series to get the different endings. Give me a "dark" ending, a "light" ending, a neutral ending, and anything in between, and I would have replayed it that many times to get every ending.

What is the point of replaying ME3? The only difference in the endings is the color.  

Modifié par historybrat, 13 mai 2012 - 04:28 .

[Iakus]

historybrat wrote...

I wouldn't presume to speak for everyone, but the reason I am against the "dark" ending is that it was our only choice. For a franchise built on choice, in the end we had none. You pretty much die no matter what. I know some people really like this, but I would have preferred that my choices matter. 

Plus when I know that no matter what I choose, no matter what actions I take, that I am going to die no matter what  it decreases the replay value for me. I loved replaying the other games in the series to get the different endings. Give me a "dark" ending, a "light" ending, a neutral ending, and anything in between, and I would have replayed it that many times to get every ending.

What is the point of replaying ME3? The only difference in the endings is the color.  

Hit the nail on the head there.

It's not that there are dark endings, it's that there's nothing but dark endings

[Xellith]

Ive said it before and I'll say it again. I was expecting ME3 to have a dirvergent story similar to Heavy Rain where your choices would lead to wildly different conclusions. Made good choices then you got good ending. Made bad choices and got bad ending.

Bioware decided to be either artistic/lazy and legitimize everyones choices by leaving "speculation" for everyone. Nobody can say what choices were correct and what were not - hence they wanted to polarize the playerbase with regards to choices made along the way without actually saying who was "correct".

But the starchild? WTF was that about...

[InBleedingRapture]

To me, it seemed a lot like BW was trying to do what the new BSG series did: tie up all the "mysteries" in a short time while a lot of the characters you've grown to "know and love" die off. Maybe I'm morbid, but I don't mind "sad" endings... the ME3 ending just didn't explain enough, in my book. It's all subjective, of course. We could always send BW some more cupcakes.

And yeah, the "starchild?" They throw in something completely off the wall and still never explain where the keepers came from or who created the reapers/citadel. Did they make themselves?

Modifié par InBleedingRapture, 13 mai 2012 - 05:25 .

[M2S SOLID JOSH]

ive said once and ill say it again. bioware should play mgs4 to learn how to make a end to a series, not a game but a series. it rapped everything up so well and happy and bitter sweet moments.

[sharkboy421]

historybrat wrote...

I wouldn't presume to speak for everyone, but the reason I am against the "dark" ending is that it was our only choice. For a franchise built on choice, in the end we had none. You pretty much die no matter what. I know some people really like this, but I would have preferred that my choices matter. 

Plus when I know that no matter what I choose, no matter what actions I take, that I am going to die no matter what  it decreases the replay value for me. I loved replaying the other games in the series to get the different endings. Give me a "dark" ending, a "light" ending, a neutral ending, and anything in between, and I would have replayed it that many times to get every ending.

What is the point of replaying ME3? The only difference in the endings is the color.  

You said almost exactly what I was going to say.  I was really hoping for many different endings similar to what DAO did.  Instead we were given nearly identical endings that made very little sense :/.

[Lee80]

I hate the fact that people seem to think a grim ending is somehow more deep then a happy ending. My question is, in a world where so many things are bad and have horrible "endings" why would anyone want their fantasy/escape from reality to have a bad ending? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? For me it does. However, I think the EC may make the ending a bit brighter hopefully. If not, well at least the rest of the game had some hope and the occasional laughter and joy.

[AresXX7]

iakus wrote...

historybrat wrote...

I wouldn't presume to speak for everyone, but the reason I am against the "dark" ending is that it was our only choice. For a franchise built on choice, in the end we had none. You pretty much die no matter what. I know some people really like this, but I would have preferred that my choices matter. 

Plus when I know that no matter what I choose, no matter what actions I take, that I am going to die no matter what  it decreases the replay value for me. I loved replaying the other games in the series to get the different endings. Give me a "dark" ending, a "light" ending, a neutral ending, and anything in between, and I would have replayed it that many times to get every ending.

What is the point of replaying ME3? The only difference in the endings is the color.  

Hit the nail on the head there.

It's not that there are dark endings, it's that there's nothing but dark endings

I have to agree with you on this.

It's not that I'm against a dark ending, but it would be nice if there were more to it than just that.
TBH, before the game was released, when I first heard about the EMS system - I actually thought it was a revised version of the Suicide Mission from ME2.
Rather than having to ensure you have a fully loyal squad, picked the right specialists, and team leaders - for maximum success, you'd have to aquire enough EMS points, based on key strategic decisions throughout the game, to achieve the same effect.

[Blastback]

Well, for one thing, after the rather depressing ending of Dragon Age 2, i was hoping Bioware would offer us something different. And let's not forget the rather unhappy fates of Revan and the Exile in SWTOR.

I'll admit, my tastes are colored by the fact that i suffer severe depression (no I'm not trying to get sympathy, I've delt with this for years and will continue to). So it isn't fun for me to find my entertainment where I find my character forced into an unhappy ending.

[Chuvvy]

Happy isn't dark n edgy.

[Sidney]

historybrat wrote...

I wouldn't presume to speak for everyone, but the reason I am against the "dark" ending is that it was our only choice. For a franchise built on choice, in the end we had none. You pretty much die no matter what. I know some people really like this, but I would have preferred that my choices matter.

You had three ways to end the series, and you could live so there were actually 4 plus possible variations within the selected option based on readiness - where your choices matter. Dear god, like DAO had an amazing panoply of ways to end. There are three endings, 2 of which use the exact same animation (DS and S) and the other swaps your model with Allistar (sort of like swapping colors out).  Your choices don't matter a whit in that final battle other than what nearly useless helpers come along with you. Yea! 

The choices matter because you made them. Shep is who he is for you, as opposed to me, because of those choices. That is all that matters. The fact that in the end Shep dies doesn't change that who he was for you was different than who he was for me.

[Fieryeel]

Just my input here.

I would rather a dark and sad ending than a generic mainstream happy ending with Shepard waking up in bed and every of his companion jumping about happily.