84 réponses à ce sujet

[android654]

slimgrin wrote...

android654 wrote...

This guy is going out and committing assault over drunk fights. He's a pest, albeit a funny pest. I think that's what he was arrested for assault too. I only care if he does something big and funny enough for me to hear about it on the other side of the country. Other than that he's just some guy with a latex fetish who thought Watchmen was a docudrama.

Forget about his antics - he's proactive, that is what matters. What's the alternative? Do I even have to list all the instances when crimes occured in broad day light and people did nothing? It's a very real phenomena. Brutallity can occur right in front of crowds and people will just walk away.

I'm not saying don't. Let them go ahead and do what they will. I think they're getting in the way and give the cops who go to "handle" the problem more elements that complicates things. Either way life is f*cked a lot of the time, but a guy in a ski mask running around in the shadows doesn't necessarily make things easier.

Modifié par android654, 13 mai 2012 - 12:54 .

[android654]

Some Geth wrote...

android654 wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

android654 wrote...

This guy is going out and committing assault over drunk fights. He's a pest, albeit a funny pest. I think that's what he was arrested for assault too. I only care if he does something big and funny enough for me to hear about it on the other side of the country. Other than that he's just some guy with a latex fetish who thought Watchmen was a docudrama.

Who watches the Watchmen?

I do, from the back row. I like sitting behind everyone on late showings. They're all too tired to talk or block the screen.

You do bring up a good point. I think a lot of people, and there are a few like this guy, watch superhero movies the way skiny kids watch Rocky. They eventually think to themselves, "HEY! I can do it too!"

And that's funny too since Watchmen only works as a comic book.

UGH. So true. Why did they think they could take a 12 book series and make it into one movie? Still, one thing they did better was the destruction of manhattan. That version mad Dr. Manhattan seem much more responsible than the space squid.

[slimgrin]

termokanden wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Forget about his antics - he's proactive, that is what matters. What's the alternative? Do I even have to list all the instances when crimes occured in broad day light and people did nothing? It's a very real phenomena. Brutallity can occur right in front of crowds and people will just walk away.

It doesn't take a vigilante to stop that though. There has to be some middle ground here.

That is exaclty what I'm saying. Jones, as nutty as he is, actually cares about his city and the people in it. He uses himself as prop to shed light on issues. I don't condone breaking up fights between drunken floosies, but I think the idea of citizens taking action is important. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 13 mai 2012 - 12:58 .

[android654]

slimgrin wrote...

termokanden wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Forget about his antics - he's proactive, that is what matters. What's the alternative? Do I even have to list all the instances when crimes occured in broad day light and people did nothing? It's a very real phenomena. Brutallity can occur right in front of crowds and people will just walk away.

It doesn't take a vigilante to stop that though. There has to be some middle ground here.

That is exaclty what I'm saying. Jones, as nutty as he is, actually cares about his city and the people in it. He uses himself as prop to shed light on issues. I don't condone breaking up fights between drunken floosies, but I think the idea of citizens taking action is important. 

You really think that's what he's doing, and not out playing DareDevil?

Modifié par android654, 13 mai 2012 - 01:02 .

[termokanden]

It definitely is slimgrin, as long as taking action has to do with preventing crime and stopping crimes in progress, not about seeking out presumed crooks and punishing them.

But vigilantes are fun in movies and comics at least.

[Blastback]

He's been documented stopping to sign autographs when on the way to investigate a crime for so long that when they arrived at the scene of where they'd heard a woman screaming, and no one was there anymore.

[Maria Caliban]

Naughty Bear wrote...

If a vigilante was operating in your local area and in you local news it was reported the vigilante was going around and severly punishing criminals.

Not killing them but physically beating them up, the targets were sex offenders, muggers, the scum of the scum.

A mugger is the 'scum of the scum' now?

But no, I wouldn't support that type of vigilantism.

[termokanden]

Blastback wrote...

He's been documented stopping to sign autographs when on the way to investigate a crime for so long that when they arrived at the scene of where they'd heard a woman screaming, and no one was there anymore.

How silly. If he had played that situation right, he could have given out at least two autographs instead of one.

[android654]

Out of curiosity, has anyone here ever been mugged?

[Maria Caliban]

slimgrin wrote...

You're gonna think I'm crazy for saying this, but he represents the next ( and a pretty crazy, I'll admit ) step in nieghborhood watch programs. Imagine if people actually gave a f*ck about what was going on around them rather than ignoring it?

You realize that violent crime has been declining for three decades now, right? If that's the result of people not giving a damn, I'm fine with people not giving a damn.

[Blastback]

Maria Caliban wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

You're gonna think I'm crazy for saying this, but he represents the next ( and a pretty crazy, I'll admit ) step in nieghborhood watch programs. Imagine if people actually gave a f*ck about what was going on around them rather than ignoring it?

You realize that violent crime has been declining for three decades now, right? If that's the result of people not giving a damn, I'm fine with people not giving a damn.

Thing is the media does it's best to potray just the opposite as occuring.

[termokanden]

Closest I've been to actual crime was scaring away some teenage burglars once. So no I haven't been mugged. I've seen a person who had just been mugged though. She was... traumatized to say the least. Not fun to look at.

Modifié par termokanden, 13 mai 2012 - 01:18 .

[slimgrin]

android654 wrote...

Out of curiosity, has anyone here ever been mugged?

Close. I made the mistake of going alone to the post office for a care package. I dropped the box, swung a time or two, but quickly realized the smart thing to do was run. Run white boy run, lol.

Edit: this was in Philly of course.

Modifié par slimgrin, 13 mai 2012 - 01:25 .

[android654]

It's not, especially if you're a kid. My point though is that crime isn't as rampant in the world as people like to think. The world isn't that scary. However, people learning to take care of themselves would help out a lot more than having vigilantes running around your neighborhood.

Modifié par android654, 13 mai 2012 - 01:20 .

[slimgrin]

Maria Caliban wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

You're gonna think I'm crazy for saying this, but he represents the next ( and a pretty crazy, I'll admit ) step in nieghborhood watch programs. Imagine if people actually gave a f*ck about what was going on around them rather than ignoring it?

You realize that violent crime has been declining for three decades now, right? If that's the result of people not giving a damn, I'm fine with people not giving a damn.

Don't even pretend the U.S isn't leading the pack in this regard. It's still a problem. People not taking initiative is part of the problem.

Modifié par slimgrin, 13 mai 2012 - 01:22 .

[Maria Caliban]

Blastback wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

You realize that violent crime has been declining for three decades now, right? If that's the result of people not giving a damn, I'm fine with people not giving a damn.

Thing is the media does it's best to potray just the opposite as occuring.

I blame video games.

[termokanden]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I blame video games.

Nooooo, not this again

[Blastback]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

You realize that violent crime has been declining for three decades now, right? If that's the result of people not giving a damn, I'm fine with people not giving a damn.

Thing is the media does it's best to potray just the opposite as occuring.

I blame video games.

NNNNNNnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

[Ghost Lightning]

A while back when I used to lurk around on the Marvel comics message boards (before they sucked horribly) there was this guy that was convinced that he was meant to become a masked vigilante. He made a whole thread, a very very lengthy thread, explaining how he would do it. He posted pictures of the weapons he'd use and explained how he was in good fitness and was a skilled gymnast and all that wonderfull stuff. Reading it, it sounded like he really had it all planned out. But I think people tend to forget something.

The problem is not "oh, you'll get shot". No, that's too obvious. Of course that will eventually happen.

The problem is, on a daily basis, how often do you the person run into "crime"? I mean seriously. When was the last time anyone saw a car getting jacked or an assualt happening? These "vigilanties" would have to live in the real deep inner cties and literally go searching for trouble. A person doing this would probably spend more time looking for people commiting petty crimes then they would actually stopping them.

Modifié par Ghost Lightning, 13 mai 2012 - 01:43 .

[DarkDragon777]

Yes.

[Nameless one7]

No, to likely to get the wrong person. Just because someone is convicted of a crime doesn't always mean they did it, look at all the DNA exonerations where people were later on found innocent.

[AlanC9]

android654 wrote...

Out of curiosity, has anyone here ever been mugged?

I was. About twelve years ago, on Avenue B in the East Village. Knife, not gun. No big deal since I only had about $30 on me. The only hard part was that the kid had such a thick Bed-Stuy accent  that I couldn't understand what he was saying. Of course, me being blind drunk didn't help much.

[AlanC9]

Filament wrote...
Really, how do you determine that? We have due process for a reason. Your douchebag vigilante is going to "accidentally" target genuinely innocent people.

Yeah, sooner or later he's going to screw up. It's only in fiction that vigilantes always hit only the guilty ones.