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[DJBare]

First off my apologies for yet another IT thread.

Why am I making another?, it's an attempt to clear up some confusion I see quite often.

I see question like "If IT then how do the choices matter?"; they don't, at least not in the way you think they do.

IT states that Shepard never leaves earth, Shepard never made it to the citadel, so everything after Harbingers beam(or maybe after the personnel vehicle carrying Shepard crashes) is hallucination influenced by indoctrination attempts.

This is where the choices come in, they are representations of Shepard's fight against indoctrination taking place in his own mind, control is a fools errand, TIM as much proves this, synthesis is accepting reaper indoctrination, you are now one of the many in reaper form, destroy is Shepard defying attempts at indoctrination, high ems is Shepard's will to survive while under a pile of rubble which is where s/he has been all along.

This thread is not an attempt to convince others to believe IT, it's purpose is to get people to understand that with IT everything after London is not real, not the reapers being destroyed, not the relays being destroyed, nothing is real after London.

[Peranor]

Yes, many people seems to miss this detail about the IT

[Scimal]

I think most people who don't agree with IT are more than aware.

Pointing that out doesn't make the theory any less ridiculous. What you're essentially saying is that they made a game without an end. Shepard gets ripped up by Harbinger's beam, and if you want to believe IT, then you choose Red, and you choose to keep fighting.

Then the game stops. You don't keep fighting. You don't win. You don't lose. The game doesn't conclude, because it stops right before it ends.

Then you get some geezer telling his grandkid about Shepard - which the I.T. seems to forget exists. How does that fit into the IT anyways? I'd like to know that instead.

How does the Buzz Aldrin epilogue fit into IT? Is it yet another hallucination?

[Peranor]

Yepp, thats pretty much it. People would rather have a game with no ending at all (and hope for ME4/expansion) then accept the ending BioWare is trying to show us.

[vixvicco]

anorling wrote...

Yepp, thats pretty much it. People would rather have a game with no ending at all (and hope for ME4/expansion) then accept the ending BioWare is trying to show us.

This ^^

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

[balance5050]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

Not yet at least... summer is coming...

[Sdrol117]

The awkward moment when people still believe the IT.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

balance5050 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

Not yet at least... summer is coming...

Brace yourselves...

Not bashing the I.T. here, but if they did choose to use I.T. in the EC it would be one of the most pathetic things they could do, since it obviously wasn't planned to begin with. For them to just take a well-crafted fan theory b/c they were too incompetent to write a decent conclusion is actually quite sickening.

[Peranor]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

The multiplayer part I see as an oversight soon to be corrected. IT or no IT, you shouldn't be required to play multiplayer to unlock all parts of the ending.

And the Buy Moar DLC message doesn't really disprove or prove anything. 
So if they release a retake omega dlc for example. It's going to be set mid-game anyway. And IT doesnt start until you get blasted by Harby.

[Sdrol117]

anorling wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

The multiplayer part I see as an oversight soon to be corrected. IT or no IT, you shouldn't be required to play multiplayer to unlock all parts of the ending.

And the Buy Moar DLC message doesn't really disprove or prove anything. 
So if they release a retake omega dlc for example. It's going to be set mid-game anyway. And IT doesnt start until you get blasted by Harby.

You don't seem to understand your own theory. -slowlyclaps- 

[Peranor]

Sdrol117 wrote...

The awkward moment when people still believe the IT.

It's not about believing IT to be true, as in intended by BioWare. It's more like choosing IT instead of what BioWare was trying to show us. 

[balance5050]

Sdrol117 wrote...

anorling wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

The multiplayer part I see as an oversight soon to be corrected. IT or no IT, you shouldn't be required to play multiplayer to unlock all parts of the ending.

And the Buy Moar DLC message doesn't really disprove or prove anything. 
So if they release a retake omega dlc for example. It's going to be set mid-game anyway. And IT doesnt start until you get blasted by Harby.

You don't seem to understand your own theory. -slowlyclaps- 

How about you engage what he actually says instead of avoiding it making snide comments, you just look ignorant.

Multiplayer IS an OVER sight because once the DLC comes out you can get the ending with only SP.

Just like in ME2 where you couldn't get enough money to buy everything until some of the DLC came out.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

anorling wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

The multiplayer part I see as an oversight soon to be corrected. IT or no IT, you shouldn't be required to play multiplayer to unlock all parts of the ending.

And the Buy Moar DLC message doesn't really disprove or prove anything. 
So if they release a retake omega dlc for example. It's going to be set mid-game anyway. And IT doesnt start until you get blasted by Harby.

The message itself clearly states "Commander Shepard as become a legend by ending the Reaper threat" or something along those lines, meaning regardless of which ending you picked, the Reapers are still defeated. However, I.T. states that the only way to even get the chance to defeat the Reapers is to pick Destroy.

[balance5050]

anorling wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

The awkward moment when people still believe the IT.

It's not about believing IT to be true, as in intended by BioWare. It's more like choosing IT instead of what BioWare was trying to show us. 

Right, at the very least its a valid interpretation of the ending.

[KevShep]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

Not yet at least... summer is coming...

Brace yourselves...

Not bashing the I.T. here, but if they did choose to use I.T. in the EC it would be one of the most pathetic things they could do, since it obviously wasn't planned to begin with. For them to just take a well-crafted fan theory b/c they were too incompetent to write a decent conclusion is actually quite sickening.

Who the Hell said it was not planned? In the leak back in november or october it stated that there is indoctrination attempt in the game and a "mechanism" of gameplay reguarding the indoctrination was takin out because it took all control away from the player. It also mentions that they were in the late stages of development.

[Nauks]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Brace yourselves...

Not bashing the I.T. here, but if they did choose to use I.T. in the EC it would be one of the most pathetic things they could do, since it obviously wasn't planned to begin with. For them to just take a well-crafted fan theory b/c they were too incompetent to write a decent conclusion is actually quite sickening.

They can point to in game evidence that the I.T. is legit (according to the ME lore).
Furhtermore they have spoken on record about the indoctrination plot.

[hoodaticus]

I wanted to drop in and debunk a common objection to IT. Some think Shepard wasn't exposed long enough to Reaper tech to begin being indoctrinated. Here is what Rihanna - an Asari neuroscientist studying indoctrination for Saren - had to say about that:

"Over time - days, maybe a week - it breaks down the victim's will."

Shepard has spent at least that much time in the presence of Reapers, Reaper tech, and indoctrinated Reaper subjects used as antennae for the indoctrination signal. And if he went to Project Base, he spent two days in the presence of Object Rho in a single sitting.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

KevShep wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

Not yet at least... summer is coming...

Brace yourselves...

Not bashing the I.T. here, but if they did choose to use I.T. in the EC it would be one of the most pathetic things they could do, since it obviously wasn't planned to begin with. For them to just take a well-crafted fan theory b/c they were too incompetent to write a decent conclusion is actually quite sickening.

Who the Hell said it was not planned? In the leak back in november or october it stated that there is indoctrination attempt in the game and a "mechanism" of gameplay reguarding the indoctrination was takin out because it took all control away from the player. It also mentions that they were in the late stages of development.

Firstly, I never said it wasn't planned, I merely stated they did not end up using it in the final game. Secondly, if I recall correctly, the mechanic was where the Reapers only controlled Shepard's movements, not his mind, which is a quite a difference.

[Sdrol117]

balance5050 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

anorling wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

The multiplayer part I see as an oversight soon to be corrected. IT or no IT, you shouldn't be required to play multiplayer to unlock all parts of the ending.

And the Buy Moar DLC message doesn't really disprove or prove anything. 
So if they release a retake omega dlc for example. It's going to be set mid-game anyway. And IT doesnt start until you get blasted by Harby.

You don't seem to understand your own theory. -slowlyclaps- 

How about you engage what he actually says instead of avoiding it making snide comments, you just look ignorant.

Multiplayer IS an OVER sight because once the DLC comes out you can get the ending with only SP.

Just like in ME2 where you couldn't get enough money to buy everything until some of the DLC came out.

I engaged exactly what he said, it's not my fault he doesn't know what he's even talking about  the IT is a totaly crock of BS.

Modifié par Sdrol117, 13 mai 2012 - 03:11 .

[balance5050]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

anorling wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

The multiplayer part I see as an oversight soon to be corrected. IT or no IT, you shouldn't be required to play multiplayer to unlock all parts of the ending.

And the Buy Moar DLC message doesn't really disprove or prove anything. 
So if they release a retake omega dlc for example. It's going to be set mid-game anyway. And IT doesnt start until you get blasted by Harby.

The message itself clearly states "Commander Shepard as become a legend by ending the Reaper threat" or something along those lines, meaning regardless of which ending you picked, the Reapers are still defeated. However, I.T. states that the only way to even get the chance to defeat the Reapers is to pick Destroy.

It's not canon, it was the game talking to you not the story. It's like a "Now try the game on harder difficulty" message.

Who's showing this text to you? who sent it? who holding the GD data pad? NO ONE. It's as canon os the credits.

"WHY ARE ALL THESE LETTERs FLYING THROUGH SPACE BROOOO!!!"

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

hoodaticus wrote...

I wanted to drop in and debunk a common objection to IT. Some think Shepard wasn't exposed long enough to Reaper tech to begin being indoctrinated. Here is what Rihanna - an Asari neuroscientist studying indoctrination for Saren - had to say about that:

"Over time - days, maybe a week - it breaks down the victim's will."

Shepard has spent at least that much time in the presence of Reapers, Reaper tech, and indoctrinated Reaper subjects used as antennae for the indoctrination signal. And if he went to Project Base, he spent two days in the presence of Object Rho in a single sitting.

Can't use Object Rho as Shepard is only exposed to it if you play Arrival, which you haven't if you play with the default Shepard.

[CavScout]

You can't expect people to understand a fundamentally flawed hypothesis.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

balance5050 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

anorling wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

The multiplayer part I see as an oversight soon to be corrected. IT or no IT, you shouldn't be required to play multiplayer to unlock all parts of the ending.

And the Buy Moar DLC message doesn't really disprove or prove anything. 
So if they release a retake omega dlc for example. It's going to be set mid-game anyway. And IT doesnt start until you get blasted by Harby.

The message itself clearly states "Commander Shepard as become a legend by ending the Reaper threat" or something along those lines, meaning regardless of which ending you picked, the Reapers are still defeated. However, I.T. states that the only way to even get the chance to defeat the Reapers is to pick Destroy.

It's not canon, it was the game talking to you not the story. It's like a "Now try the game on harder difficulty" message.

Who's showing this text to you? who sent it? who holding the GD data pad? NO ONE. It's as canon os the credits.

"WHY ARE ALL THESE LETTERs FLYING THROUGH SPACE BROOOO!!!"

So you're saying that even though the game itself tells you that you've defeated the Reapers, it's not true?

[KevShep]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

And let's not forget that you can't get that little breath clip without playing multiplayer. Or that you get the prompt to "BUY MOAR DLC" regardless of which ending you pick. No, I.T. was not what they ultimately implemented.

Not yet at least... summer is coming...

Brace yourselves...

Not bashing the I.T. here, but if they did choose to use I.T. in the EC it would be one of the most pathetic things they could do, since it obviously wasn't planned to begin with. For them to just take a well-crafted fan theory b/c they were too incompetent to write a decent conclusion is actually quite sickening.

Who the Hell said it was not planned? In the leak back in november or october it stated that there is indoctrination attempt in the game and a "mechanism" of gameplay reguarding the indoctrination was takin out because it took all control away from the player. It also mentions that they were in the late stages of development.

Firstly, I never said it wasn't planned, I merely stated they did not end up using it in the final game. Secondly, if I recall correctly, the mechanic was where the Reapers only controlled Shepard's movements, not his mind, which is a quite a difference.

This states that the indoctrination was NOT dropped only a mechanism OF it was! Yes it is FULL reaper control meaning fully indoctrinated! Notice how the mention DIALOGUE choices? In the catalsyt part we are not given the investigate options we WANT!